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  1. Blacklac's Avatar
    The way MSFT is going now .. Windows phone will be dead within 3 years
    In 3 years we could very well be using the same OS on our mobile devices as larger devices (laptops, desktops, tablets)
    TechAbstract, rhapdog and wpn00b like this.
    02-25-2015 03:18 PM
  2. HeyCori's Avatar
    WP losing market share is only half the story. Sales are increasing. In fact, Microsoft sold more Lumias last quarter than they ever have. Unfortunately, smartphone market growth is outpacing Windows Phone market growth.

    In other words, the number of WP users is going up but the total number of smartphone users is going up much faster.

    Windows Phone is expanding when really Microsoft needs it to explode.

    Regardless, whether you consider BGR an Apple/Android safe haven or not, IMO, BGR is just poor journalism. That's why I quit that site years ago.
    02-25-2015 03:18 PM
  3. Blacklac's Avatar
    Lets not ignore Nokia/Microsoft hasn't released a flagship in the states since February 2014. Sure, that tier isn't there money maker, but that is painful for a platform starving for growth.
    02-25-2015 03:33 PM
  4. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    Lets not ignore Nokia/Microsoft hasn't released a flagship in the states since February 2014. Sure, that tier isn't there money maker, but that is painful for a platform starving for growth.
    There are many 920/1020 in the USA waiting for something better on the WP platform, since Nokia sold out to Microsoft the flagship WP in the USA came to a screeching halt. I'm waiting but I do not think Microsoft is going to turn out anything that will really impress 920/1020 owners to buy. Then we have the stinking carriers to deal with which is another punch in the gut. Come on Microsoft surprise and dazzle us with something impressive.
    JohnStrk, wpn00b and Dr_8820 like this.
    02-25-2015 03:48 PM
  5. saulgould13's Avatar
    I'm curious since phablets/tablets seem to be getting more popular that phones will altogether be pass? Things move quickly, and Nokia/microsoft have been behind the ball since day one, however Microsoft has incentive to move forward in the consumer mobile market just not sure how with phones.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    02-25-2015 03:59 PM
  6. wpfan86's Avatar
    There are many 920/1020 in the USA waiting for something better on the WP platform, since Nokia sold out to Microsoft the flagship WP in the USA came to a screeching halt. I'm waiting but I do not think Microsoft is going to turn out anything that will really impress 920/1020 owners to buy. Then we have the stinking carriers to deal with which is another punch in the gut. Come on Microsoft surprise and dazzle us with something impressive.
    I'm in this boat. Had my 920 since day 1, but I'm not willing to pick up a new Windows Phone until W10 is released and I see a device that truly impresses me. The 830 is a fine phone, but I want specs that rival or beat the iPhone 6 and Galaxy S5. Microsoft needs to announce its next flagship soon and it needs to be a home run.
    Tom Snyder, JohnStrk and slivy58 like this.
    02-25-2015 04:10 PM
  7. Blacklac's Avatar
    I can't help but think WP could be in a better place if Microsoft went right from WM6.5 to Windows 10 and not redone the OS/kernel 2 times, in between. How did they not have that foresight...
    02-25-2015 04:16 PM
  8. Pacus1x's Avatar
    but I want specs that rival or beat the iPhone 6.
    The Icon or the 930 beats the iPhone 6 in hardware specs... but i agree that WP needs new flagship phones in order to make some hype for W10.
    bigbmc26 likes this.
    02-25-2015 04:18 PM
  9. saulgould13's Avatar
    I can't bear to go back to Apple, and lagdroid?! Not even an option, I guess ill be rockin my old flip phone again. Hahaha
    luisfarelo and Blu3V3nom07 like this.
    02-25-2015 04:20 PM
  10. Dr_8820's Avatar
    I honestly believe that us WP owners like WP more than Microsoft. They constantly drop the ball; no flagship phone in a year, one flagship phablet on only one carrier? Only Microsoft does that. They release software for the competition and ignore their own platform. And we keep supporting them....
    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
    02-25-2015 04:44 PM
  11. rmeigs's Avatar
    The way MSFT is going now .. Windows phone will be dead within 3 years
    All depends on Windows 10. It's their last chance in the USA to be relevant, IMO. As much as I love my WP and really don't like Android, with all my necessary MS Office apps now available on other platforms, I may eventually have to look seriously at something other than a WP if MS can't correct things.
    Last edited by rmeigs; 02-26-2015 at 02:48 PM.
    02-25-2015 07:36 PM
  12. rhapdog's Avatar
    And if Microsoft doesn't stop sitting on their hands the platform will be toast.
    Microsoft has been far from sitting on their hands this last year. Windows 10 ring a bell?
    And as far as Windows Phone not being relevant, if it wasn't relevant, it would not even be mentioned anywhere. Yet, there are numerous articles by iOS and Android fanboys recently pointing to the inevitable doom of the platform. They are working very hard to deflect and minimize all the intensely positive news in the press about Microsoft and the upcoming Windows 10, which, will also be for phones. That's the part that has them scared. When people are looking forward to a release of an OS that is going on a phone as well as a desktop, it has got to scare the britches off the poor ignorant so-and-so at BGR. If they don't do something to deflect all the popularity building and get the animosity talk going again, then WP will be the single most dangerous thing to happen to both iOS and Android. It's the trash talk and bad feelings toward Microsoft that has kept WP from getting marketshare and getting the apps, and if Satya Nadella succeeds in getting people to love Microsoft again, it will spell the eventual doom of their competitors.

    Is it true that WP has lost "market share" while gaining sales? Yes. However, it's the long term that Microsoft has set up for this last year. They stockpiled their cash so that they could ride this out and make Windows 10 the greatest thing ever. They aren't stupid. This has been a plan for the last few years, but one they have had to be patient to implement.

    Right now, Microsoft has the top email and calendar apps on both Android and iOS. They are now getting people used to what they could have on a Windows 10 phone. They also have the best productivity apps with MS Office 365, which people will be able to get free on Windows 10 for phones, instead of getting crippled functionality free and having to pay for advanced features. Windows 10 phone users will get it all free.

    As Windows 10 becomes dominate in people's workplace, and people get more accustomed to using and even loving Microsoft services, they will naturally start feeling better about Microsoft in general and the phone share will begin an uptick.

    This will take time, yes. That's okay. The platform will not die, and it will take off one day as all this comes to fruition. This is why Microsoft stockpiled so much money. So they could afford to give away Windows 10 instead of making people pay upgrades. This will get people to the platform that Microsoft needs them to be on. One day, as Microsoft says, people will no longer ask "What version of Windows do you run?" because that will become irrelevant.

    Windows Phone is far from irrelevant. Otherwise, there would be no talk of it out there. When iOS fansite dedicates an article to it, even if just to trash it, it just proves that it is indeed relevant after all. Otherwise, why bother talking about it if it doesn't matter?
    02-25-2015 07:50 PM
  13. teamkillYAY's Avatar
    For what its worth, I just switched from a iPhone 5s to a Lumia 635, mainly because I didn't want to pay to buy a new iPhone since I broke my 5s. The Tmobile I went to recommended the windows phone due to price and they said windows phones get better signal then iPhones. It was difficult at first trying to customize everything, but now I like it alot better then my iPhone. I was able to find working apps for 29 of 30.

    I will stay with WP and upgrade to a better flagship when I can. I have also exposed a few others to WP that may switch. If it wasn't for a low tier WP for me to try, I would have passed.

    I think MS knows what they are doing
    02-25-2015 08:18 PM
  14. Jazmac's Avatar
    Patience.

    MS always plays the long game.
    02-25-2015 11:01 PM
  15. hotphil's Avatar
    Right now, Microsoft has the top email and calendar apps on both Android and iOS. They are now getting people used to what they could have on a Windows 10 phone.
    ​The problem is that while MS are buying/rebadging/updating apps on other platforms, they've done nothing for their own platform. Enticing other platform users with nice shiny app experiences that are way ahead of what they've got on their own platform could backfire. Android users are going to be disappointed if they switch to Windows Phone and expect Outlook etc.
    02-25-2015 11:26 PM
  16. cckgz4's Avatar
    I don't think anyone can predict what could happen but Microsoft does need to be more assertive
    Laura Knotek and Tom Snyder like this.
    02-26-2015 12:34 AM
  17. D M C's Avatar
    So, WP8.1 wasn't successful.

    Lets see Windows 10 effect on market share.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-26-2015 01:39 AM
  18. Godson Arun Kumar's Avatar
    The way MSFT is going now .. Windows phone will be dead within 3 years
    One more astrologer to the count, seems we have quite a number of them over here.
    02-26-2015 05:45 AM
  19. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    When tech sites hurt for page hits, they bad mouth Windows Phone or Praise Apple because it will bring the click and comments. BGR is just the head super troll of this movement.
    metalchick719 likes this.
    02-26-2015 08:46 AM
  20. runamuck83's Avatar
    I honestly don't think I've ever seen anything like this in my life.

    The all-out effort from all corners of the world to take out Windows Phone is astonishing. I commend Microsoft for even ACHIEVING what little success they have had with so much of a battle against them.

    I look at this like the 300 Spartans. Sure, they didn't win - but they put up one hell of a fight against so many odds and they got pretty damn far.

    Microsoft can succeed with Windows 10 - time to unleash the beast.
    02-26-2015 08:53 AM
  21. Ian Too's Avatar
    Microsoft has been far from sitting on their hands this last year... Otherwise, why bother talking about it if it doesn't matter?
    Thank you Rhapdog, for what is possibly the best post I've ever read on these forums.

    Ian.
    rhapdog likes this.
    02-26-2015 08:57 AM
  22. Visa Declined's Avatar
    When tech sites hurt for page hits, they bad mouth Windows Phone or Praise Apple because it will bring the click and comments. BGR is just the head super troll of this movement.
    This is all true. They are, and have always been the crappiest tech site on the internet.
    HeyCori and neo158 like this.
    02-26-2015 09:13 AM
  23. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    So, WP8.1 wasn't successful.

    Lets see Windows 10 effect on market share.
    It will not be if MS is still seen as an archaic, bureaucratic corporation. Their image is on the upswing but it is still far below google (whose image is dropping, deservingly) and Apple. A classic example is shown in Rubino's article yesterday about Pebble. Younger CEO's (ex: SnapChat and Pebble) just don't see MS as cool and refuse to come on board, or even allow their stuff to be on the MS ecosystem even if MS does all the work. Tech sites share the same discontent. They don't even bad mouth Blackberry as much. This is very evident when buying phones too. Go into a carrier and ask about Windows Phone. They'll not only tell you that you don't want a Windows Phone but they'll look at you like you have three eyes. Personal tech bias runs deep and fogs reason, truth, and open-mindedness. And most people will be like "ok, I'll buy whatever you say is better." Queue floundering WP marketshare....

    Another sad bias against MS is in commercial advertising. How many do you see on the TV where iOS and Android are advertised for having an app at the end but not WP? I saw three just the past couple nights with Lowe's, Realtor, and Home Depot. They have official WP apps but don't advertise them.

    WS has to hit Windows 10 out of the park to really get the ball rolling. They know that they need to use their Windows and MS Office marketshare to help Windows Phone grow, and the unification of the platform should help IF they don't botch the W10 release. *fingers crossed*
    02-26-2015 09:18 AM
  24. DavidinCT's Avatar
    WP losing market share is only half the story. Sales are increasing. In fact, Microsoft sold more Lumias last quarter than they ever have. Unfortunately, smartphone market growth is outpacing Windows Phone market growth.

    In other words, the number of WP users is going up but the total number of smartphone users is going up much faster.
    This is even worse in my eyes. So, in this example, Last year, Apple sold 3 million phones, Android sold 3.5 million phones and WP sold 1 million.

    This year, again example for the year, Apple sells 4 million phones, Android sells 4.5 million phones, and WP sells 1.1 million phones.

    So on this it's showing sales are LOWER on WP based on the market. For all phones New phones that are being sold, LESS people are choosing Windows Phone over iOS or Android. If anything this is WORSE for WP than anything else.

    Maybe at this point Microsoft has thrown in the towel for Windows Phone 8.1 and putting all their eggs in the Windows 10 launch (phone and desktop). It's only dumping low end models out there to TRY to capture market share wile it can but, even in this example, it's failing.

    I can't help but think WP could be in a better place if Microsoft went right from WM6.5 to Windows 10 and not redone the OS/kernel 2 times, in between. How did they not have that foresight...
    This is Microsoft's biggest failure here and they CLEARLY know it, as they are paying billions to try to get to work in their favor with a little success on a global scale.

    When WM 6.5 came out(I was a fan), it was in the market change over, the iPhone was an exclusive to AT&T, Android 1.0 devices were released not too long after. Microsoft sat on WM 6.5 for another few years before we saw Windows Phone 7.

    By the time Windows Phone came out, the market was already flooded with iPhones and Android devices. The Mobile stores have been out and sold millions on both platforms. Some people have had a iPhone for 3 years by this time and same with some Android devices. At this point sales are word of mouth and grow big based on this.

    For Microsoft to be really in the top 2 or at least a very strong market place share, they would of had to released Windows Phone in-between the iPhone and Android, not 2-3 years later.

    This is truly a story of a day late and a dime short and like I said, they are paying billions to attempt to correct it.

    I would love to see WP grow HUGE, Microsoft still has a very steep hill to climb. They really need Windows 10 phone to be a major success, if WP 10 is a flop (or sitting like it is now on a global scale) and does not grow as expected, I can almost see the writing on the wall.

    Microsoft is a very large company worth many billions of dollars, they are in it for the long term with devices and projects. When you have a department that is costing billons every year but, pulling in very little in return(more spent than coming in) after this long (release of WP7 to now), it is just a matter of time before it's cut short.

    So, 2.7% of Millions of phones is a lot phones but, when it really DOES come down to a to a MULTI-BILLION dollar company, it's really not as much as you think.
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    02-26-2015 09:58 AM
  25. David Lohrentz's Avatar
    Big companies often under-estimate the difficulty and effort to successfully perform an acquisition on the scale of Microsoft acquiring the Nokia Handset Division. It takes a gargantuan effort to re-organize into highly functioning groups and teams; it takes a lot of effort to resolve clashes of corporate culture, and the people being acquired may have some resentment and difficulty with the new arrangement at the outset, esp if they were loyal and proud of the old company. All of which is to say, I have the sense that Microsoft spent a lot more time with this behind the scenes cultural work than they had anticipated. Hopefully, now that that is behind them, they can more forward at a much accelerated pace.
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    02-26-2015 11:21 AM
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