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  1. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Really liking the 535, a few wee frustrations as the windows apps on the iPhone have more functionality, however I know this will change on windows phone 10. Does everything I want it to extremely well, so good bargain for me.
    Good to hear and you do get a lot of bang for your buck with the 535 :).

    That is generally the case with most of the popular apps unfortunately.

    Anyway the 535 will serve you well until you choose to move onto the next model :).

    The term refers to a warship that represents the rest of the fleet. Later, it became a word to refer to the best product in an industry or company, either by popularity or perceived quality. The iPhone is a flagship because it represents Apple.

    From Wikipedia

    "A flagship is a vessel used by the commanding officer of a group of naval ships, reflecting the custom of its commander, characteristically a flag officer, flying a distinguishing flag. Used more loosely, it is the lead ship in a fleet of vessels, typically the first, largest, fastest, most heavily armed, or best known.

    Over the years, the term "flagship" has been borrowed in metaphorical form by industries such as broadcasting, automobiles, cell phones, education, national airlines, breweries and retailing to refer to their highest profile or most expensive products and outlets."
    Reaallly?

    Lets agree to disagree, otherwise I can see this thread being completely derailed and I will not be responsible for that. On that note there will be no further discussion from my side :).
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    03-11-2015 09:42 AM
  2. sanjeet_deshwal's Avatar
    Lumia 1030
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    03-11-2015 11:23 AM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    The answer's pretty easy for me. It should have a top-of-the-line SoC for the current market (in this case, SD 810). Beyond that, it should include everything useful from the previous iteration, with advancements added, when applicable. That means keeping wireless charging and 32 GB of internal storage, taking IPS LCD at 1080p for the display, and having a 20-MP camera with image quality on-par with the previous device, if not better. The battery should be a bit larger, and the battery life should be noticeably better.
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    03-11-2015 01:28 PM
  4. diego15nets's Avatar
    Lumia Icon but with xenon flash, improved front facing camera, and the glance feature.
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    03-11-2015 01:50 PM
  5. Dietrich Cleijne's Avatar
    My Lumia 1520.
    It's a Flagship with all the cannon's and ammo aboard to blast all of the competition out of the water.
    I will stay with it untill i have Windows 10 on it, and if Microsoft by then hasn't got another "6 inch machine i don't bother buying anything else.
    I am still in love with the thing.
    03-11-2015 02:53 PM
  6. peachy001's Avatar
    right, there is no point of arguing. Some like fast, some like slow.
    I am not sure you realised what I was driving at.

    I mean that, I am aware WP can be more frugal than others, but frugality has no place in my flagship. Flagships are not designed for those that want a slow phone. WP has them covered already, and in abundance.
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    03-11-2015 04:25 PM
  7. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    My 1520 and my wife's 1020 had a lot of nice features and while they are still being sold I don't want to go back to either for the next os release.

    The m8 I am currently using will suffice for now until I get to see if Microsoft is going to surprise me with a new device that has everything I expect in a flagship phone.

    I would like to believe that the folks there have seen and heard enough people here in the USA complaining about the lack of one to know that it is wanted and people like myself are waiting for some information about what they plan on releasing before buying something else. It's all well and good to say that they will but another thing entirely to know for sure.

    We all are on the same page here as to what we think a flagship phone should have and I hope that those who are responsible for getting one into production are as well.

    With all of advances that have been made in technology since the 1020 and even the 1520 have been out it will be interesting to see what Microsoft decides to do.

    Will they go with what everyone else is using today, or something like the new Intel Soc? I am very curious to know this.

    I think being able to have the best camera, gpu, screen resolution and color representation along with the best sound and connectivity should be what they focus on to be able to make sure that any xbox game or movie be as good as any phone available. Camera lens and software has really advanced and WP has always been great but Samsung Sony Lecia has pushed beyond the Lumia. It's time for it to regain the top dog status IMHO.

    There is so much I would love to see implemented but I am afraid that the bean counters there will keep it from really happening.

    We have all heard the negativity and seen the bad press and I truly believe that a flagship phone that blows both the iPhone and any Android phone out of the water on the spec's that could do full xbox games at the highest frame rates with the highest resolutions and the best sounds will sell more than any other WP and do more for the platform than releasing a dozen new low end devices ever could. It would change the perception of the tech writers, gamers, and general public by showing that Microsoft while not having the amount of apps they other guys have has a phone they could only wish for. If they could build one or two like this and get the tech sites drooling about them people will stand up and take notice.

    This is something I have wanted for a long time... ever since I heard about merging the desktop to the mobile phone years ago with Windows. It's taken so long to be able to make it a reality though. It's going to be a hard sell to ever see it happen if folks lose faith that it can be and if those who can make it happen loose sight of this too.

    IDK... it may only be a pipe dream of mine and never happen but I was always taught that if you don't at least try you will never know your full potential.
    03-11-2015 04:49 PM
  8. worldspy99's Avatar
    I have a slightly contrarian opinion.

    Based on what I see with the 535, 640 and 640XL, I think MSFT will probably get the next 8XX and 9XX devices right. I don't know if they will work hard to create a niche 10xx or 15xx device or not.

    The iPhone 6 and 6+ are perfect examples of not having a SnapDragon 810 equivalent or 2+GB of RAM or 20MP camera etc and still wowing the customers and selling the devices in droves.

    The idea is to create a harmonious blend of design, software and features that wow the consumer/customer. There is always a certain class that will not be happy due to the lack (perceived or otherwise) of apps.

    I think though with SD810, 2GB RAM, 5" screen, 1080p, Glance, 2750 mAh battery, 5MP selfie camera, 20MP main camera with OIS, xenon flash, physical camera buttons, wireless charging, metal band frame (like the 830) and multi-color/material finish back would make a very nice device.

    Waterproofing would be nice but not a dea lbreaker.
    03-11-2015 05:38 PM
  9. peachy001's Avatar
    Oddly, and I know the purists won't agree, but I would not want to have a xenon flash, if it meant I couldn't use my phone as a torch.
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    03-11-2015 06:01 PM
  10. ajst222's Avatar
    The only thing I'm looking for in a successor to my Lumia Icon is a Windows flagship that has killer battery life. The Icon simply does not deliver in that category which is very disappointing to me.

    As far as everything else goes (hardware wise), I'm glad that Microsoft will be using the latest and greatest Snapdragon CPU/GPU. That alone I think can go a long way in wowing people, as well as a good amount of RAM. If the phone is 5", stick with 1080p. There's zero sense in going to a 2K display. If it's a 6" phone, then go with 2K. Microsoft also needs to hit it home with the camera and they need to let everyone know that no one in the business does it better than them.

    I also hope hope HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE they go with a polycarbonate unibody design like the "classic" Nokia Lumia devices (800, 900, 920, 1020, etc). I'm a huge fan of that design for a lot of reasons like that it feels wonderful in the hand, and it's FAR from feeling or looking cheap. The way that the curved edges flow with the curved sides is amazing. I'd take it over a metal design. It's something that sets Lumias apart, and when you see a device with that styling, you immediately think of a Lumia. Though I won't hold my breath that Microsoft will go with this design
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    03-11-2015 06:17 PM
  11. snowmutt's Avatar
    As a Navy vet, I was on a Flagship. USS Nassau, LHA-4- Amphibious monster. Admirals and USMC Generals always onboard. With all the other brass that came with them. Trust me- Cell Phone Flagships are way more fun.

    Not sure I get what direction this thread is headed. Is it to define what a Hero WP should be, or if WP needs one? Seems like we are debating both here.

    I splurged on the HTC One M8 for Windows because I wanted a Hero WP. I want a top end display res, a great processor, and a top end experience. Of course I understand it does nothing for photo Bugs, but otherwise it is a Flagship. I love the performance of this bad boy. And after kicking around the L920 for a while, I am a bigger believer than ever it makes a difference.

    As for if Windows needs a phone Flagship- the answer is yes if you are ever looking to make 10% or better in sales in established markets such as North America and most of Europe.
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    03-11-2015 06:18 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    The idea is to create a harmonious blend of design, software and features that wow the consumer/customer. There is always a certain class that will not be happy due to the lack (perceived or otherwise) of apps.
    In my mind the first sentence here is an excellent description of a flagship. That's where the iPhone excels. The specs are average at best, but the overall experience is top notch. Indeed, it is "a harmonious blend of design, software and features".

    I think WP's biggest weakness is described in your 2nd sentence. Hardware is not WP's problem; had that been the case, the partnership with Nokia would have solved it. WP's current Achilles heel is software, both the OS and the app ecosystem.
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    03-11-2015 06:33 PM
  13. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    I am hearing a lot about "flagships" lately, a state of the art device with the latest tech.
    Same story last year and the years before that.
    To what end?
    What can it do more than last year device?
    And do you realy need or use al that?
    What purpuse does it has when you have a 5ghz octacore with 10 gb ram,
    whow look what i got????????

    Its not about specs, its about functionality.
    Ow shure its nice to have a Ferrari at your front door, it runs very fast...........but thats the only thing it can.
    I rather go for a old escort clipper, atleast i can pul a smal trailer behind it and have a huge trunck for al my stuf.
    And with that old car i can take al those speedbumbs and without worries.
    Not to mention that it can take more miles on a galon.

    I had a few droidphones, lateron i got me a little 520 and now a 1320.................and guess what, i do exacly the same things with it.
    The same thing as my friends does with there iphones, Samsungs and Htc's.
    The only reason why i should get me an other phone or upgrade is a better camera ( but i knew that before i bought it ).
    It doesnt need to be faster, it runs all i need.
    It got extra storage thats nice and i use it a lot, it doesn't have NFC but i have no use for it so that doesn't bother me.
    I would like to see stylus support on the larger phones and waterproof models.
    But it doesn't need to be faster.
    So it comes al to functionality.

    I don't need a flagship, i need a tank.
    Durable, trustworthy and above all.....functional.
    03-11-2015 07:03 PM
  14. Jakoh's Avatar
    Flagship is a phone that has things customers desire the most at a price point people are willing to pay for.

    To me the 640XL is a flagship phone.
    03-11-2015 07:16 PM
  15. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    There are many people who really don't understand what a true flagship phone " can" do. It's not that everyone has the same needs or desires but for what it can bring to those who want and need it do.

    Many people want the fastest processors largest batteries highest resolutions best sounds greatest cameras and some don't. If you are perfectly happy with the performance of whatever devices you use, then that is perfectly fine , however your opinion is not mine or anyone else who wants and needs more.

    A flagship phone, especially like I want, is going to cost a lot and I am willing to pay for the privilege of having it. Some people think that this is somehow wrong and I should be willing to settle for less and I am not sure why? It's certainly not a waste of money to me as long as I am happy.

    I saw mention of the iPhone being a flagship phone, and in part it is the best they produce but it is the only phone they offer and even they could have offered higher spec's but chose not to. They feel it isn't necessary...... What I find objectionable is they don't offer a choice to the individual except for accessories, colors and on board storage... A take it or leave it approach so to speak that I choose not to deal with. Wp could drop to 1% market share and it wouldn't change my mind on my preference for a flagship phone. Millions love the iPhone and I have no issues with this... that's what makes them happy,.....

    I am willing to bet cold hard cash that if Microsoft built a flagship phone like I want and had it available for sale the day it came out on all of the carriers with some really good advertising and marketing that market share blues would go away. I know it would.

    Maybe that's what they are planning.... If so by this time next year it is going to be really cool to use a Windows phone and the app gap will become a thing of the past since everyone will want one ... Heck in a few years... we'll look back and say.... "Do you remember when they said WP was dead"... Lol

    Cry me a river then build a bridge and get over it
    03-11-2015 08:13 PM
  16. pankaj981's Avatar
    I think though with SD810, 2GB RAM, 5" screen, 1080p, Glance, 2750 mAh battery, 5MP selfie camera, 20MP main camera with OIS, xenon flash, physical camera buttons, wireless charging, metal band frame (like the 830) and multi-color/material finish back would make a very nice device.

    Waterproofing would be nice but not a dea lbreaker.
    I would agree with all your specs, adding/modifying it a bit though...processor...I really don't care if its a 810 or a 410...Microsoft should make sure the drivers are tweaked enough to allow games/applications to run smoothly, app devs are equally responsible. The less powerful processor might provide a better battery life but I guess a 810 w/ 3000 mah should suffice. Also I would like the body to be more like the 830, curved glass like the iPhone 6, sides like the Lumia 925, back like the 930, camera from the 1520 (it should be wicked fast) and tough as the Lumia 920. 2 versions to be released, one 5 inch and one 6, the 5 inch would be 1080p and the 6 inch would be QHD. And software wise, I believe the WP OS does need a refresh to some UI/UX elements. Windows 10 does look promising but its better to wait till things get ironed out. And the way the OS handles resuming screen, that definitely needs to change.
    03-11-2015 11:09 PM
  17. Alain_A's Avatar
    Its not about specs, its about functionality
    Yup, Agree

    I would like to see stylus support on the larger phones and waterproof models
    that too would be nice


    I don't need a flagship, i need a tank.
    Durable, trustworthy and above all.....functional
    If it become a tank than it is a flagship to me.

    And yes to the last sentence
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    03-12-2015 12:16 AM
  18. Prathamesh Tambe's Avatar
    Premium build, premium features, top of the line camera, if it performs buttery smooth, i don't care about its cpu etc
    03-12-2015 12:31 AM
  19. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    I saw mention of the iPhone being a flagship phone, and in part it is the best they produce but it is the only phone they offer and even they could have offered higher spec's but chose not to.
    Apple release two flagships last year, and they have terrific specs.
    03-12-2015 12:32 AM
  20. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    The only thing I'm looking for in a successor to my Lumia Icon is a Windows flagship that has killer battery life. The Icon simply does not deliver in that category which is very disappointing to me.

    As far as everything else goes (hardware wise), I'm glad that Microsoft will be using the latest and greatest Snapdragon CPU/GPU. That alone I think can go a long way in wowing people, as well as a good amount of RAM. If the phone is 5", stick with 1080p. There's zero sense in going to a 2K display. If it's a 6" phone, then go with 2K. Microsoft also needs to hit it home with the camera and they need to let everyone know that no one in the business does it better than them.

    I also hope hope HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE they go with a polycarbonate unibody design like the "classic" Nokia Lumia devices (800, 900, 920, 1020, etc). I'm a huge fan of that design for a lot of reasons like that it feels wonderful in the hand, and it's FAR from feeling or looking cheap. The way that the curved edges flow with the curved sides is amazing. I'd take it over a metal design. It's something that sets Lumias apart, and when you see a device with that styling, you immediately think of a Lumia. Though I won't hold my breath that Microsoft will go with this design
    The only problem with using the SnapDragon 810 is by the time a WP devise with is available it will be the last flagship phone to use it & it will be 6 months old & the next version right around the corner. Even though it will be plenty fast, the phone will have the perception of having "old" hardware as crazy as it sounds the same thing was said about the 1520 & the SnapDragon 800 it has.

    I personally don't think it matters what the next flagship is, it will not gain mind share with non-WP users if it isn't available on all carriers at the same time at launch.

    To stay on topic I would like to see Surface & Surface XL styled phones, the XL with a stylus USB C connectors, waterproof, improved 20 megapixel camera, latest & greatest guts & big battery. More importantly W10 needs to run flawlessly out the gate. Oh, did i mention market the hell out of it & W10 of the likes we have never seen for at least 6 - 8 months continuously.
    03-12-2015 01:26 AM
  21. CosmicPoweR's Avatar
    Consider a flagship to me is top notch hardware with best combination of hardware compatibility. Long battery life and battery lifespan. Able to handle few major update like what WP having now(not like android update). Phone should ergonomically design. Stick with what makes the phone stand out from the crowd, innovate, enhance or add something innovative that it's not available on the phone yet.
    03-12-2015 01:46 AM
  22. Motor_Mouth's Avatar
    "What is a flagship phone to you"? Easy, it's a device that allows me to see who the wankers are when I walk into a room.
    03-12-2015 09:47 AM
  23. Motor_Mouth's Avatar
    In my mind the first sentence here is an excellent description of a flagship. That's where the iPhone excels. The specs are average at best, but the overall experience is top notch. Indeed, it is "a harmonious blend of design, software and features".
    I think WP's biggest weakness is described in your 2nd sentence. Hardware is not WP's problem; had that been the case, the partnership with Nokia would have solved it. WP's current Achilles heel is software, both the OS and the app ecosystem.
    I can't agree with either point. I've never really liked much of Apple's design, the one real exception being the iPhone 4, which looked fantastic but was deeply flawed from an engineering perspective. The current iPhone actually looks cheap and nasty, like most of the smaller iPods have always done. As for the OS, iOS 8 is actually hideous to look at and anything but intuitive to use, unless it's what you are used to. For most of us, though, the lack of a back button makes it really confusing a lot of the time.

    OTOH, Windows Phone just made sense to me from the get-go. It's simple, elegant and deceptively powerful. I spent about half-an-hour in a store with an iPhone 4 and an HTC Mozart and the Mozart just seemed so much slicker and at the same time deeper. e.g. I was able to get it to plot me a route home from the store much more easily than I could with the iPhone. Even scrolling the maps themselves was much smoother. I ended up with a Samsung Focus, not the Mozart, but I've not seen anything in iOS since that makes me regret my choice. Quite the contrary, in fact - I couldn't believe what I was reading when I found out that iOS only got predictive text a few months ago. That's one of the biggest things I love about my smartphone and being able to tap out a whole sentence with just two or three key presses is central to the overall experience.

    Even the much maligned app experience in WinPhone is great. I recently bought an Android powered Walkman and I didn't like Sony's music app so I went onto Google Play to find a better one and discovered it full of all the same rubbish we have to wade through. Even their version of X-Box Music isn't as good as ours. I also see it at work all the time, where I'm the "app guy". Whenever I show someone some cool app I've discovered, they'll go and look for it on the App Store or Google Play and half the time they can't find anything as good. OTOH, no-one has ever shown me an app on their iPhone or Android handset that's made me wish I had either of those OSes on my phone.
    03-12-2015 10:05 AM
  24. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Flagship should be as the word implies, the standard bearer for the OS. It should represent the fullest extent of a device. Basically use the highest end available to a company. The new Galaxy S6 is a great example of a flagship device. Uses a top end chipset with a top end display from yours truly, Samsung.

    Bascially... from a more consumer point of view. A flagship is something the consumer will know as "the best." The iPhone is in a field of one. It's a flagship alone. Android is a bit more fluid, but you tend to eventually find "the best" in the field of competition. Either a marketing failure, or just a general failure, but there is no WP8 device that screams "the best." 930 seems to have fallen flat to say in the least.
    03-12-2015 11:32 AM
  25. swedishdude's Avatar
    A flagship is simply something that does everything really well, and will still be useable in a couple of years. Same goes for cars, PCs, guitars...
    03-12-2015 11:45 AM
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