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  1. Akhilesh Bhambhani's Avatar
    Just after reading that Cortana is coming to Android and Ios, have mixed feelings and concerns a loyal Windows user like me. I have a tough time figuring out how much it will affect our platform. There were some features which made windows pone unique like office, bing (msn) apps, Cortana, live tiles etc. But right now all we are left with is live tiles. Sure bringing office to other platforms was smart and they did that by the lure of lucre, and it they did manage to retain a few customers and convert other who relied on Google docs. Msn apps didnt make much of a dent, and it was okay since its just a caboodle of apps. What bothered me the most was that Office apps on Android and Ios were frequently updated and quite ahead of what we have on WP feature wise, thats what Ive heard frequently. Since Office is integrated into the Os, entire OS would have to be updated to update the app IF Im not wrong. They cant give us the excuse that they couldnt have added it to 8.1.1. But with features shown at the build and what office has to offer in windows 10 I didnt mind the waiting, as long as we are on the same page as our rival platforms and get updates before or with them.
    But giving away Cortana has developed a poignant anxiety, I dont know how much integration is possible on ios and android, but it is what made us stand out. We must not forget windows 10 does offer a tighter and superb integration with Skype, our PC and other devices, synced notification, Spartan browser, better cortana integration (probably). And maybe tighter integration with OS will be our unique feature. Probably showing reprobation because of inertia, but just maybe features offered to us will be better and definitely wouldnt be like it was with office. Somehow want exclusivity, but Microsoft knows better.
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    03-13-2015 10:01 AM
  2. spch's Avatar
    See microsoft spends their time in devoloping for other OSs, but they do no improvement on their own OS. You can't even attach zip file in outlook and it's been liske that forver, now they spend their resources to update their iOS Android apps. And we always get the third rate support from MS.

    In india cortana is kinda crap, skype app crashes after call completes everytime, outlook sucks, no option for customization, half the phones still don't have latest firmware Denim, No OTG and we still don't have proper office. Also WiFi direct MKV support in phones and a lot more. They couldn't even add Pause/resume in Lumia camera video recording in all this time and updates.

    MS said W10 will fix it, WHY CAN'T THEY UPDATE THE EXISTING OS INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING FOR ANDROID/iOS.

    It seems like WP is big lab experiment by MS just to see what sticks.
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    03-13-2015 10:10 AM
  3. Akhilesh Bhambhani's Avatar
    See microsoft spends their time in devoloping for other OSs, but they do no improvement on their own OS. You can't even attach zip file in outlook and it's been liske that forver, now they spend their resources to update their iOS Android apps. And we always get the third rate support from MS.

    In india cortana is kinda crap, skype app crashes after call completes everytime, outlook sucks, no option for customization, half the phones still don't have latest firmware Denim, No OTG and we still don't have proper office. Also WiFi direct MKV support in phones and a lot more. They couldn't even add Pause/resume in Lumia camera video recording in all this time and updates.

    MS said W10 will fix it, WHY CAN'T THEY UPDATE THE EXISTING OS INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING FOR ANDROID/iOS.

    It seems like WP is big lab experiment by MS just to see what sticks.
    See since we're getting a porper outook update with windows 10 they're gonna wait for that I guess, wifi direct it available i remember daniel saying that, but developers have to take advantage of that, try the app Easy transfer if you haven't. Think mkv support is there with latest update might be wrong but VLC is a nice option now. About Skype I completely agree I hate skype and performance is awful. Office features available right now are just fine for an average user like me.
    03-13-2015 10:22 AM
  4. spch's Avatar
    See since we're getting a porper outook update with windows 10 they're gonna wait for that I guess, wifi direct it available i remember daniel saying that, but developers have to take advantage of that, try the app Easy transfer if you haven't. Think mkv support is there with latest update might be wrong but VLC is a nice option now. About Skype I completely agree I hate skype and performance is awful. Office features available right now are just fine for an average user like me.
    Outlook update with Win10 << We've hearing that for forever now, everything will get fixed with Win10.
    WiFi Direct << It's manual, no app has control over WiFi, apps can't turn on WiFi or Tethering. It's pathetic.
    MKV Support << Windows Desktop OS 8.1 has MKV support Windows Phone Doesn't. Still doesn't have SRT support, chapter support and a lot more, XBOX video app is a joke.
    This is what happens if I try to play MKV in Windows PC with XBOX video app.
    http://i.imgur.com/J2ray8W.jpg
    VLC << As of now sucks at video playback.
    Skype << Is crap, absolute complete re purposed bovine waste.
    Office << I would benefit from having Office properly on phone.
    03-13-2015 10:47 AM
  5. someone2639's Avatar
    It seems like WP is big lab experiment by MS just to see what sticks.
    You might be onto something. MS could've looked at all the bad reviews to make their money on other platforms. Or.......

    Nokia built some phones without proper compatibility
    03-13-2015 10:53 AM
  6. rhapdog's Avatar
    Outlook update with Win10 << We've hearing that for forever now, everything will get fixed with Win10.
    This is an app they just bought from someone else. That's why it's already on iOS and Android. They didn't spend their time developing for it, other than to slap the "Outlook" name on it.

    Why is it waiting for W10? Because it doesn't make sense to spend time developing for WP8.1 + Win8.1 when they can just develop it as a Windows 10 Universal App, which is a different API. Windows 10 is too close to develop for 8.1 at this point.

    Try looking past the end of your nose... eh, er... phone.
    03-13-2015 10:58 AM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    This is an app they just bought from someone else. That's why it's already on iOS and Android. They didn't spend their time developing for it, other than to slap the "Outlook" name on it.
    True, but it's already gotten several updates on both iOS and Android. I use it on both.
    03-13-2015 11:02 AM
  8. rhapdog's Avatar
    True, but it's already gotten several updates on both iOS and Android. I use it on both.
    Are you seriously comparing the difference between a full OS port of an entire, large, complicated application to a few minor updates to the code?
    bahaha.jpg
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    03-13-2015 11:09 AM
  9. spch's Avatar
    Are you seriously comparing the difference between a full OS port of an entire, large, complicated application to a few minor updates to the code?
    Well they could fix the attachment issues first? Like attach any file (from pictures to virus ) to a email. Also attachment download improvements.

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    03-13-2015 11:13 AM
  10. eddieDOTexe's Avatar
    I dont understand why you guys are crying like she's your wife and she's two-timing on you. MS is a services company. Get over it. It doesn't stop them from developing WP (on the contrary but you're too simple to realize that) and this doesn't magically make your WP any less functional.
    You guys sure cry when other OS' get WP apps but when WP gets iOS apps it sure as hell is the second coming.
    Last edited by eddieDOTexe; 03-18-2015 at 09:48 PM. Reason: Toned down some language.
    03-13-2015 11:14 AM
  11. Byrese's Avatar
    It's funny I was just about to pray this article. Mixed feelings indeed. Office is one thing but Cortana? I dunno. They should have kept this one in house. We need at least one thing to make WP unique. Then again, MS strategy does seem to be working. There's so much talk about MS now (being the new Google and all). This may make MS more relevant in the end. Again...mixed feelings.
    Sent from my Lumia 930
    03-13-2015 11:20 AM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    Are you seriously comparing the difference between a full OS port of an entire, large, complicated application to a few minor updates to the code?
    How do you know it was "a few minor updates to the code"? It does demonstrate how Microsoft was interested in more than changing the name from Accompli to Outlook in order to get an email app on iOS and Android. What's it been, 2 months and already 2 or 3 updates (for whatever they're worth).

    How many updates did Outlook on WP get in the last couple months?

    I do have to give you credit for your undying optimism!
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    03-13-2015 11:22 AM
  13. spch's Avatar
    How many updates did Outlook on WP get in the last couple months?
    Zero and that's a number. Invented by our ancestors and reinvented by Microsoft.
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    03-13-2015 11:24 AM
  14. snowmutt's Avatar
    Let's wait until we see what level she comes over to iOS or Android- or when she even does- prior to getting all wrapped up in this subject.

    But, honestly, I think I may have turned a corner on Windows phone. I believe it will survive and I believe it will grow, but I am also a realist. MS has a bigger picture in their sights, and the iOS and Android marketplace are needed. Windows 10 is place to put some hope on, but seriously does anyone see a jump to 20% anytime soon? Or even 10%?

    Porting services to get users on a Microsoft lifestyle is way more important to the survival of MS than Windows on phones is by itself. The success of WP will happen, but it will be the experience that sells it, not exclusive services.
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    03-13-2015 11:35 AM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    But, honestly, I think I may have turned a corner on Windows phone. I believe it will survive and I believe it will grow, but I am also a realist. MS has a bigger picture in their sights, and the iOS and Android marketplace are needed. Windows 10 is place to put some hope on, but seriously does anyone see a jump to 20% anytime soon? Or even 10%?
    I basically agree with this. I believe that the unified OS in Windows 10 will help cement WP's survival, but not because it will grow. Before, WP was a completely separate OS. Its survival on 3% market share was probably shaky at best. However, with W10, I'm guessing that not as much effort is needed to keep up the OS version for the phone since its basis is the same as the desktop OS. If less effort is required, it might be worth it even with stagnant growth and relatively little usage.

    Disclaimer: I do not actually know how much effort goes into modifying W10 to create a mobile OS; I'm only guessing that there's somewhat less labor required than having a completely separate WP OS. My entire theory is based on this.
    snowmutt likes this.
    03-13-2015 11:43 AM
  16. rhapdog's Avatar
    This is an app they just bought from someone else. That's why it's already on iOS and Android. They didn't spend their time developing for it, other than to slap the "Outlook" name on it.

    Why is it waiting for W10? Because it doesn't make sense to spend time developing for WP8.1 + Win8.1 when they can just develop it as a Windows 10 Universal App, which is a different API. Windows 10 is too close to develop for 8.1 at this point.

    Try looking past the end of your nose... eh, er... phone.
    How do you know it was "a few minor updates to the code"? It does demonstrate how Microsoft was interested in more than changing the name from Accompli to Outlook in order to get an email app on iOS and Android. What's it been, 2 months and already 2 or 3 updates (for whatever they're worth).

    How many updates did Outlook on WP get in the last couple months?

    I do have to give you credit for your undying optimism!
    Apparently you didn't read my post 2 up from the one you quoted. It kind of discredits what you bring up quoting my second post. Why would Microsoft spend time porting the app to 8.1 when Windows 10 will be released in a few months? It needs to be ported to a Universal App for desktop, tablet, and phone all at once. Also, the "Outlook" team can't be working on making updates to an app that is at the end of its cycle. They are busy working on the W10 Universal App.

    Stop complaining and show a little patience. It's part of being a grown-up.
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    03-13-2015 12:00 PM
  17. vicky geth's Avatar
    We all know MSFT is a servicing company. Cortana is tightly integrated to onedrive, onenote, office and it completely collects data from BING. So by introducing Cortana to IOS and Android, MSFT make more BING users. And if those other platform users become satisfied with Cortana, they would install OneNote and Onedrive too (bcoz they are tightly integrated with Cortana and installing them will make them get more out of Cortana)

    The other important thing is MSFT didn't build Cortana, Onedrive, OneNote and Office to compete with other OS counterparts. In other words, Not to make attraction towards windows phones/ windows PCs. Like... 'Oh Man..!! Look at these things... if you want to enjoy these things, you must own a win PC/phone'. Nope.... They are servicing company and they lend their services regardless of platforms.
    03-13-2015 12:07 PM
  18. Akhilesh Bhambhani's Avatar
    I dont understand why you guys are crying like she's your wife and she's cheating on you. MS is a services company. Get over it. It doesn't stop them from developing WP (on the contrary but you're too simple to realize that) and this doesn't magically make your WP any less functional.
    You guys sure cry when other OS' get WP apps but when WP gets iOS apps its the second coming. Leftovers are your preference?
    Agreed it's a service company, but it doesn't justify to ignore your native platform and give better office apps to rival platforms. Sure they want Pc owners to have a great experience no matter which phone they use, but I just hope there is something more than synced notifications for windows phone. What I mean is better office apps, better cortana integration and better integration between apps common on our devices. Like I said have mixed feelings.
    Last edited by snowmutt; 03-14-2015 at 05:14 PM.
    03-13-2015 12:10 PM
  19. theefman's Avatar
    I basically agree with this. I believe that the unified OS in Windows 10 will help cement WP's survival, but not because it will grow. Before, WP was a completely separate OS. Its survival on 3% market share was probably shaky at best. However, with W10, I'm guessing that not as much effort is needed to keep up the OS version for the phone since its basis is the same as the desktop OS. If less effort is required, it might be worth it even with stagnant growth and relatively little usage.

    Disclaimer: I do not actually know how much effort goes into modifying W10 to create a mobile OS; I'm only guessing that there's somewhat less labor required than having a completely separate WP OS. My entire theory is based on this.
    Sounds like what you're saying is...... Windows 10 will fix everything!

    I have to agree, though. As its own entity WP definitely has no potential for any meaningful growth, MS now gives the OS away to OEM's and still its marketshare shrank. Being cast under the umbrella of W10 is its only hope of surviving but I think ultimately Microsoft's stake in the mobile space will consist mostly of software and services on ios and android.
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    03-13-2015 12:13 PM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    Apparently you didn't read my post 2 up from the one you quoted. It kind of discredits what you bring up quoting my second post. Why would Microsoft spend time porting the app to 8.1 when Windows 10 will be released in a few months? It needs to be ported to a Universal App for desktop, tablet, and phone all at once. Also, the "Outlook" team can't be working on making updates to an app that is at the end of its cycle. They are busy working on the W10 Universal App.

    Stop complaining and show a little patience. It's part of being a grown-up.
    For the second time, I do have to give you credit for your undying optimism!

    You may be correct, but you're surmising as much as the next person.
    03-13-2015 12:14 PM
  21. rhapdog's Avatar
    Sounds like what you're saying is...... Windows 10 will fix everything!
    Windows 10 is like Duct Tape. ;)
    03-13-2015 12:16 PM
  22. Byrese's Avatar
    We all know MSFT is a servicing company. Cortana is tightly integrated to onedrive, onenote, office and it completely collects data from BING. So by introducing Cortana to IOS and Android, MSFT make more BING users. And if those other platform users become satisfied with Cortana, they would install OneNote and Onedrive too (bcoz they are tightly integrated with Cortana and installing them will make them get more out of Cortana)

    The other important thing is MSFT didn't build Cortana, Onedrive, OneNote and Office to compete with other OS counterparts. In other words, Not to make attraction towards windows phones/ windows PCs. Like... 'Oh Man..!! Look at these things... if you want to enjoy these things, you must own a win PC/phone'. Nope.... They are servicing company and they lend their services regardless of platforms.

    I'm sorry to admit it but I think you're right. MS is first and foremost a servicing company, a productivity company. Perhaps in the world of consumers this has gotten lost. In its anxiety of keeping up with Apple MS maybe went away from its roots. Nadella is trying to return it to those roots but with a 21 century twist. Sweet strategy really!

    You may be on to something here. This puts things in prospective.
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    03-13-2015 12:18 PM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    Sounds like what you're saying is...... Windows 10 will fix everything!
    Pretty much!

    I have to agree, though. As its own entity WP definitely has no potential for any meaningful growth, MS now gives the OS away to OEM's and still its marketshare shrank. Being cast under the umbrella of W10 is its only hope of surviving but I think ultimately Microsoft's stake in the mobile space will consist mostly of software and services on ios and android.
    One has to wonder if Microsoft is making sure ALL of their services are on iOS and Android in case someday Windows on phones ceases to exist. Cortana to iOS and Android is one more check mark.
    theefman likes this.
    03-13-2015 12:22 PM
  24. nabeel Madcon's Avatar
    Mayb we gt a update from Microsoft "we are moving to android and welcome to android"😝😝
    03-13-2015 12:30 PM
  25. OwenDL's Avatar
    I think we should leave ourselves open to the possibility that this might actually be incredibly beneficial for windows phones. Hear me out...

    Cortana is introduced on iOS and Android. They improve and build Cortana to the point where she can easily compete with Siri or Google Now, though perhaps not better, just equivalent to. People begin to play with Cortana. They get used to the voice, the 'personality' the usefulness, and they then get more interested in it. They find out about Windows Phones and they find out that Cortana is only more integrated, fine-tuned and more a part of Windows Phones.

    If they're smart, they'll make the Cortana for other platforms inferior to the one found on Windows Phones. Let people find out that if they go to Windows Phones, their Cortana experience will be even better. And plus, this might also be a huge push to convert people from Macs to PCs. If they can use Cortana on their iOS product, and have it sync up with their computer, there would be huge incentive to purchase a Windows 10 PC, while not necessarily also purchasing a new phone, which alot of people don't want to do.

    Now a nail in the coffin would be if Microsoft developed a Cortana program for OSX(macs). If they made it so iPhone users can have their Cortana sync up with their Macs (I'm not even sure if this is possible, but I imagine it is.), there would be no incentive to use Windows 10 over Mac.
    That all being said, we just have to watch and wait and see what they do. I'd like to think they have a plan-- but we'll just have to see.

    Also can we all agree that Joe Belfiore looks like Sylvester Stallone?
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    03-13-2015 12:37 PM
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