1. rodneyej's Avatar
    Just how low can MS go? L340? L240? L140? Any ideas, or suggestions, on how MS can kill the feature phone❓❓
    03-19-2015 03:13 PM
  2. tgp's Avatar
    Just how low can MS go? L340? L240? L140?
    Why stop dropping? They can start using negative numbers.
    03-19-2015 03:26 PM
  3. Blacklac's Avatar
    Well, they COULD make a device with 512MB RAM again and even remove all camera's. Most people would hate it, but it should be less expensive, which is the goal.

    I wonder what the 430/435 cost them to produce...
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    03-19-2015 03:31 PM
  4. Basiluzzo's Avatar
    Just how low can MS go? L340? L240? L140? Any ideas, or suggestions, on how MS can kill the feature phone❓❓
    Looks to me like they're all about market share. Sell LOTS of cheap phones in markets where that matters, and they can claim a high enough market share to advance the ecosystem ... thus justifying the high-end phones we hope for.
    03-19-2015 05:09 PM
  5. Byrese's Avatar
    Looks to me like they're all about market share. Sell LOTS of cheap phones in markets where that matters, and they can claim a high enough market share to advance the ecosystem ... thus justifying the high-end phones we hope for.




    A part of me understand their strategy. They have to get market share up. But that's one part of me
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    03-19-2015 05:15 PM
  6. peachy001's Avatar
    In some ways it is working. When I got my 920, over 2 years ago, I was the only person with one. In the last 5 months I have noticed 3 friends with them (a 630, 530 and a 535). Each of them is actually fairly happy with their device. They are potential future upgraders. None of them would have previously considered a flagship.
    03-19-2015 05:41 PM
  7. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Looks to me like they're all about market share. Sell LOTS of cheap phones in markets where that matters, and they can claim a high enough market share to advance the ecosystem ... thus justifying the high-end phones we hope for.
    Um ms is not " all about market share" ! At least not with WP:|
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    03-19-2015 05:42 PM
  8. someone2639's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 035, so I'm gonna say remove the processor, RAM, camera, buttons, case, and everything unimportant. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that iSheep like good displays
    rodneyej likes this.
    03-19-2015 05:52 PM
  9. rodneyej's Avatar
    In some ways it is working. When I got my 920, over 2 years ago, I was the only person with one. In the last 5 months I have noticed 3 friends with them (a 630, 530 and a 535). Each of them is actually fairly happy with their device. They are potential future upgraders. None of them would have previously considered a flagship.
    Yes, the slow, but sure, road...
    03-19-2015 07:21 PM
  10. rodneyej's Avatar
    Um ms is not " all about market share" ! At least not with WP:|
    Ummm, lets not fool ourselves... MS's ultimate goal is to provide it's services to as many people worldwide as possible.... It is STRICTLY all about MS.. This is business, and MS is in it to make $$.. That's the bottom line... And, as one fella said above,, they could make an actual Lumia device with no camera, 512mb of ram, and provide the absolute basic smartphone experience possible... Right now MS's best shot at relevance in mobile phones is to switch over feature phone users.. That means they my have to take from their own Asha market share, and develop a 3xx, or 2xx Lumia that could be purchased for less than $50 new off contract.... That would be sick.... And, there might actually be a market for this in the US, and China, which could considerably help market share.... That's my take.
    03-19-2015 07:30 PM
  11. Marquis de Faux's Avatar
    If Windows 10 brings more support for different processors like Mediatek and Intel processors we may be able to see cheaper and more powerful budget devices.
    Alfa Kapa and xandros9 like this.
    03-19-2015 11:30 PM
  12. Jonahkirk's Avatar
    But they also lose potential customers if no one has anything to upgrade to. I'm still using my 920 because there is so little to upgrade to. The 830 was underwhelming the 930 wasn't marketed in the US and doesn't support lte, and I don't want a phablet. Now my apps are breaking Sbux no longer works, I replaced it with buckstar that is now flaking out. If windows 10 doesn't fix Windows phone in the US plus get us some flagships, MS will have one less customer. My old HTC Inspire running Android 2.3 connected with my PC and Windows Home Server and my network much better than my Windows Phones ever have.
    03-20-2015 01:17 AM
  13. karan25i's Avatar
    if ms wants to make market share to rise above 5%.no of cheap phones has to be made by ms.in this way they can reach to everyones mind.android have phone of 2500INR.why not microsoft..
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    03-20-2015 01:40 AM
  14. peachy001's Avatar
    The 435 is 29.99 ($44} in the UK, and that includes VAT/tax. I don't reckon there is a much lower price point. That is disposable pricing. They could probably produce a 3 series as just a phone with no camera etc though.
    03-20-2015 02:17 AM
  15. mohit9206's Avatar
    The 435 is 29.99 ($44} in the UK, and that includes VAT/tax. I don't reckon there is a much lower price point. That is disposable pricing. They could probably produce a 3 series as just a phone with no camera etc though.
    You're lucky. 435 is overpriced at $90 in India including taxes. Should be $70 at most.For $90 in India you can get 4.7 inch 720p display, quad core cpu, 1gb ram, 5 mp autofocus cam with flash, 2mp front cam, etc.Now tell me why one should get 435 instead of the other much better specced android phone?
    03-20-2015 04:32 AM
  16. Harrie-S's Avatar
    You're lucky. 435 is overpriced at $90 in India including taxes. Should be $70 at most.For $90 in India you can get 4.7 inch 720p display, quad core cpu, 1gb ram, 5 mp autofocus cam with flash, 2mp front cam, etc.Now tell me why one should get 435 instead of the other much better specced android phone?
    Nobody forces you to buy the the 435 so if you think it's "overpriced" do not buy it.
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    03-20-2015 05:08 AM
  17. TheLumaniac's Avatar
    Well, they could remove the front camera and decrease the screen resolution (360p instead of 480p) and call it 340...I really don't see the point of it. The 430 is already quite cheap.
    03-20-2015 05:17 AM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Moved to more relevant area...

    Mayhap we are forgetting that Microsoft released a 2xx model already in Q1 of 2015.
    Meet Nokia 215: our most affordable Internet-ready entry-level phone yet - Lumia Conversations

    I have to agree that Microsoft is trying to get mindshare and market share built on a ground floor base that is strong enough to support a pyramid. There is also an unfortunate convergence whereby it seems fortuitous to delay a flagship until the next-gen OS version is ready for RTM...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_30%2B
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    03-20-2015 10:32 AM
  19. Grimlock's Avatar
    Actually Lumia Zero could be a cool name for a flagship!
    Mahdi Ghiasi and someone2639 like this.
    03-20-2015 10:39 AM
  20. SnailUK's Avatar
    You're lucky. 435 is overpriced at $90 in India including taxes. Should be $70 at most.For $90 in India you can get 4.7 inch 720p display, quad core cpu, 1gb ram, 5 mp autofocus cam with flash, 2mp front cam, etc.Now tell me why one should get 435 instead of the other much better specced android phone?
    Specs aren't everything. WP is well known to be a very optimised OS, especially at the low end. iDevices have always had low specs, yet in all the test suites, run rings around far better specced Android devices, due to optimisation.

    With Android, its all about the OEM. There are good Android phones, but there are a lot more rubbish ones. Having all the specs in the world won't help with a useless Android installation.
    03-20-2015 10:42 AM
  21. Audigy's Avatar
    For me they should stop when the experience starts to become degraded beyond a certain point, otherwise they may start losing some clients. Using cheaper paper thin plastics, lowering the quality control on factory, using parts with slightly cosmetic defects, using very low end/cheap LCDs with horrid viewing angles, those are some examples of beyond cheapness that must not be crossed.

    Otherwise we start having problems, like the touch inconsistencies on the 535 that ultimately translate to a bad experience on the clients view.

    This 430 may be crossing that line. Lets hope they don't drop the ball further...
    xandros9, Alfa Kapa and RumoredNow like this.
    03-20-2015 11:44 AM
  22. Grimlock's Avatar
    Specs aren't everything. WP is well known to be a very optimised OS, especially at the low end. iDevices have always had low specs, yet in all the test suites, run rings around far better specced Android devices, due to optimisation.

    With Android, its all about the OEM. There are good Android phones, but there are a lot more rubbish ones. Having all the specs in the world won't help with a useless Android installation.
    Specs aren't everything but, for example, having the latest processors usually means greater efficiency and battery life. WP is more efficient than Android, this is absolutely clear on the M8, and I'd really like MS to get the latest SOCs and really push the better battery life angle. Android will have have a hell of a time trying to catch up to WP on battery life, and MS really needs to exploit this gap.
    03-20-2015 01:01 PM
  23. matt john2's Avatar
    "just how low can ms go"? As low as your budget go.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    03-20-2015 01:14 PM
  24. Corepc's Avatar
    Windows 10 Phone(Mobile) with a 3 inch screen is supported so a L3XX could be possible in the future.
    Read this

    For tiny screens, will Microsoft say No to touch? - WMPoweruser
    03-20-2015 01:20 PM
  25. gMaesterUK's Avatar
    I personally would like to see MS release a Lumia 130 that replaces the Asha range and gets those that just want a phone, maybe a first phone... Without a camera as I know a few people (elderly) who wouldn't have a phone if it had a camera. My father is one of those I would gladly pay 10-20 for a basic Lumia phone. Fine he won't ever upgrade, but the more it's seen the more people remember it, and recommend it.

    Again, it's about planting a seed in someone's mind. MS need a full-range Lumia spectrum for people of all budgets!

    Just my opinion.

    G.
    Daniel Gilbert M likes this.
    03-20-2015 03:42 PM

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