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  1. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    I think it's just wishful thinking on Paul Therrott's part. If you have followed him over the years he has gone from a windows enthusiast to a windows reporter. What I mean by that is his contacts and relationships are tied up in a company and products that he really comes across as being done with.

    When someone is enthusiastic about something it shows, be it in their manner or tone. So when I have listened to Paul over the years his delivery (especially in audio/video) when speaking about Microsoft has become bored and monotone. Although to be fair you can hear he does like the surface pro 3. When his enthusiasm does come out at it's strongest, complete with a lighter tone voice and hand gestures is when he's speaking of Apple products.

    I could be reading it wrong, but these are the impressions he gives me. As with the lightening of any burden, the canceling of windows phone would lessen the drudgery of his work and free up time to gush about the prospect of an iPad Pro with Leo.
    mary beth hale and Kevin Rush like this.
    06-30-2015 07:22 AM
  2. ibbyj's Avatar
    I thought the whole idea of 10 IS to kill off Windows phone.

    One OS for all (hardware), right?
    06-30-2015 08:24 AM
  3. Pete's Avatar
    Bit of a crazy rumour this one and proof that anyone will believe anything.

    People are forgetting that Satya has been standing on stage saying "Mobile First" as one of his key phrases. I'm not sure he'd be saying that with such conviction if he wanted to can the project.

    People are also forgetting that Microsoft announced yesterday that it was letting go of Screen Ads, with the loss of 1200 jobs (although they're being transitioned to AOL).
    06-30-2015 08:26 AM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ Thank you.

    As far as mobile OS development is concerned this rumour is a pile of baloney.
    06-30-2015 08:33 AM
  5. JamesDax's Avatar
    No!
    06-30-2015 08:45 AM
  6. Long Syntax's Avatar
    Paul Thurrott is speculating given the information in front of him. Having said that, Paul has not come out and said that Windows Phone (Windows 10 Mobile) is being dumped. He has voiced his concerns that the hard choices comment might be directed at the underperforming phone division. I have the same concerns.

    Some sort of "hard choice" must be just around the corner, or Nadella would not have used those words. When communication comes from a CEO, each word is agonized over - so this is no accident and he is letting folks know there are changes coming, and I doubt it would wait till next year or he'd hold off on this message.

    I can't believe they'd dump Windows 10 Mobile or hardware just at a time when everything seems to be coming together, but something is going to happen and that's what we're all speculating about.
    06-30-2015 09:21 AM
  7. Jazmac's Avatar
    I saw several sites pushing this story and I can't say this isn't by design. It seems that with each progression of this roll out of Windows 10, the more anxious these bloggers get...and it almost seems orchestrated. To me it does. I'm sure we will see a lot more of these posts in the coming days and weeks.
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    06-30-2015 11:26 AM
  8. jefbeard911's Avatar
    06-30-2015 11:34 AM
  9. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Remember the rumor of a Kinect less Xbox one? At first everyone shot it down big time! " no way Xbox would make a xbox one with out a Kinect! Its part of xbox' s vision" blah blah blah! You can now buy one with out Kinect! So.....anything is possible and never say never;-)
    06-30-2015 11:55 AM
  10. Al4video's Avatar
    Seeing the latest rumors and the direction MS is heading. I am feeling really tensed. But if they were to close the mobile OS division then why invest money to make WP 10 ? Will WP10 end up as BBOS 10 ?

    edited by mod:
    We'd appreciate such rumour threads including the source. Instead of shutting it down I looked for the possible source myself. I suspect it's this:

    https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/wind...t-to-employees
    I can't believe an adult would post this? You are feeling tensed. Really? If Microsoft would shut down windows phone this very minute it really wouldn't matter. Nobody is going to die.

    No disrespect but you need to get a new perspective on life.

    I really can't believe you posted this? Think how chaotic it would be if everybody posted what they heard? The substance of the forum would just disappear.
    Sam_93 and JamesDax like this.
    06-30-2015 12:00 PM
  11. b0blight's Avatar
    Honestly speaking, how many people here think that an OS can be built overnight, and be discarded just like that. Yes, compared to iOS and Android (both in terms of features and marketshare), we seem pathetic. But can we all STOP and think about it first. iOS kind of kicked of this smartphone revolution, so I wouldn't comment much about them. Android, on the other hand, started out the same way WP did, incomplete (not that it still isn't till today), slow and NOT POPULAR. Honestly speaking, how long did it took Android to become popular ? It was around the 2.x - 3.x era of Android phones then it became popular. What I am saying here is, how long have we been around ? And how many iteration have we gone through (7, 8, 8.1). Maybe we will never be n.o 2, maybe we will forever remain at n.o 3, but all these negativity I have been seeing in this community really puts me off, and, mind you, it stems from some rumors. Lets take a look at some facts, shall we.

    1. Windows 10 Mobile: If MS is getting ready to shut it down, why bother with the 940/940XL, and all the technical previews. People complain that the technical preview is pathetic, and broken, but thats software development for you. You want to be the first, sure, but there WILL BE BUGS and codes are not magically written and you can expect them to work 100% instantly. I know this because I am (a starting out) software developer, so bugs/broken features in the technical previews are acceptable.

    2. The efforts they put in to court people: I mean, if they wanted to shut down WP, why bother with Universal Apps / Project Islandwood / Project Aestoria ? Why go through all the efforts of building more tools for developers, and consumers alike if you are going to discard this the next day ? Mind you, all these costs money, and I don't think they would want to spend MILLIONS, just to waste it the next day.

    Point is, why would they even bother with doing all these if they just want to throw it away the next day. The fact that they are still doing this means they STILL CARE, and I think they are trying their best (although, yeah, I disagree with some of the directions they are going in some areas, but thats another discussion). So please, people, take what is being reported with a truckload of salt and think please. Life is much more than just Android/iOS/WP, so dont get all overly upset about these things. Things happen for a reason, and maybe what we are seeing here today wouldn't affect the foreseeable future, but maybe in the long term it can help us, but this is just what I think. I don't usually participate in these types of arguments, but seeing the reactions of people these past few days really made me want to say something.
    06-30-2015 12:34 PM
  12. Sam_93's Avatar
    I can't believe an adult would post this? You are feeling tensed. Really? If Microsoft would shut down windows phone this very minute it really wouldn't matter. Nobody is going to die.

    No disrespect but you need to get a new perspective on life.

    I really can't believe you posted this? Think how chaotic it would be if everybody posted what they heard? The substance of the forum would just disappear.
    dear sir while nobody shall die if windows shuts down windows phone but I feel every bit right to feel tensed while being an adult . Suppose you buy a new phone few days back for substantial amount of money expecting latest software updates and then you hear a rumour that the company is shutting down it mobile business. You may not feel tensed sir but I as I value my money feel tensed because I may not get security patches feature updates etc. And i asked this question based on many rumours. For your information rumours were there nokia will make an android phone and they made nokia X. Blackberry will make android phone and then comes blackberry slider or whatever. So you see if smoke has risen there has to be fire. And about perspective of life i love to be optimistic but dont turn blind eye to obvious indications . May be I have answered all your queries and also removed the tensed part. thank you
    Last edited by Sam_93; 06-30-2015 at 12:53 PM.
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    06-30-2015 12:41 PM
  13. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    You may not feel tensed sir but I as I value my money feel tensed because I may not get security patches feature updates etc.
    Perfect description of the great majority of android devices. No security patches or updates.

    Android is #1 because it can be made to run on nearly any old crap hardware and most of all because it's FREE. Terrible battery life, unoptimized code, memory leaks everywhere, poor hardware control, and more hang on Android like an albatross. Of course these folks want to make android devices, because they are more profitable, not because they are good. Microsoft would be idiotic to move to the platform when they have a superior one they just need to grow.
    06-30-2015 03:28 PM
  14. a5cent's Avatar
    Android is #1 because it can be made to run on nearly any old crap hardware and most of all because it's FREE.
    On a side note, W10M is also FREE.

    I think it's a lot more complicated than that. The timing of its release and the state of the market (particularly how the iPhone affected everyone but AT&T) at that time were crucial. The fact that Google placed no restrictions on Android and allowed OEMs and carriers to do whatever they wanted with it was just as important. It being free was just the icing on the cake.

    Android has since built up a lot of momentum. Even if it hadn't improved the way it had it would still be #1, just because it's #1, similar to Desktop Windows.

    I know this is a bit off topic, but the rumor itself doesn't seem worth commenting on. WP may be axed at some point, but it most certainly won't be now.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    06-30-2015 03:33 PM
  15. JamesDax's Avatar
    Nope
    06-30-2015 03:44 PM
  16. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    No of course not. Windows 10 is on all sizes of screens. Otherwise the whole point of W10 is gone and the success of the desktop version will be doomed. Nobody will make universal apps if there is no mobile. And people would just stop using windows and extend from their Android /ios mobiles towards their more powerful counterparts aka Chrome/mac. Mobile is required in this day and age. It is the gateway to an ecosystem.
    silentFan likes this.
    06-30-2015 03:50 PM
  17. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Windows phone has a very costly admission price in the form of the requirement of a qualcomm SoC.
    06-30-2015 05:28 PM
  18. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    Microsoft has already spent much on Universal Windows platform and probably spent enough on under the hood changes for Windows 10 mobile as well that I see no point in discontinuing it now. Microsoft should rather see how well it does. So clearly the sky isn't falling YET. It may very well be on the table if Windows 10 mobile fails to take off. Even to an ignorant observer, Microsoft hasn't done much in way of its mobile platform until now. The question is how much the developers, OEMs and carriers trust in Microsoft's commitment towards it's mobile platform after Windows 10 mobile gets RTMed. In my eyes it's for the first time that Microsoft has really started to play this game and I for one hopes it doesn't gets abandoned.
    I for one want to see what Microsoft brings next to the mobility because from where I stand the future looks really awesome for Windows 10 mobile as far as core OS features, esthetics and usability is concerned. But then again its not their move to make. They have made their move. It's now developers, OEMs and carriers turn to make their move and either make or break this platform. It would be a bummer if it doesn't take off. It would be the biggest disappointment for me since I really considered Windows' mobile platform as the best of both(iOS and Android's) world.
    06-30-2015 05:53 PM
  19. ohgood's Avatar
    Seeing the latest rumors and the direction MS is heading. But if they were to close the mobile OS division then why invest money to make WP 10 ? Will WP10 end up as BBOS 10 ?

    edited by mod:
    We'd appreciate such rumour threads including the source. Instead of shutting it down I looked for the possible source myself. I suspect it's this:

    https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/wind...t-to-employees

    UPDATE : Just saw this http://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorri...a-better-plan/
    it wouldn't surprise me if they did close the platform for now.

    there lack of development, blackberry-Esqu marketshare, and missing flagship from last holidays season point to a logical next step.

    it would be very wise for Microsoft to wait n see about the public's response to windows 10 before they spend another billion on windows phone.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    06-30-2015 06:52 PM
  20. keithhackneysmullet's Avatar
    I think this is more about Microsoft not wanting to be a phone builder . It would make no sense to abort windows 10 mobile. Mobile is computing now . If Microsoft wants to push it's software and windows as a service then there has to be windows 10 on a phone. Ijust think Microsoft wants someone else to build them
    06-30-2015 07:48 PM
  21. winboy's Avatar
    Microsoft promotes a new Lumia Phone ad geared towards business.

    06-30-2015 08:05 PM
  22. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    Microsoft really needs to send out a crystal clear message that they are fully begins Windows mobile for years to come.
    06-30-2015 11:53 PM
  23. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    Honestly speaking, how many people here think that an OS can be built overnight, and be discarded just like that. Yes, compared to iOS and Android (both in terms of features and marketshare), we seem pathetic. But can we all STOP and think about it first. iOS kind of kicked of this smartphone revolution, so I wouldn't comment much about them. Android, on the other hand, started out the same way WP did, incomplete (not that it still isn't till today), slow and NOT POPULAR. Honestly speaking, how long did it took Android to become popular ? It was around the 2.x - 3.x era of Android phones then it became popular. What I am saying here is, how long have we been around ? And how many iteration have we gone through (7, 8, 8.1). Maybe we will never be n.o 2, maybe we will forever remain at n.o 3, but all these negativity I have been seeing in this community really puts me off, and, mind you, it stems from some rumors. Lets take a look at some facts, shall we.

    1. Windows 10 Mobile: If MS is getting ready to shut it down, why bother with the 940/940XL, and all the technical previews. People complain that the technical preview is pathetic, and broken, but thats software development for you. You want to be the first, sure, but there WILL BE BUGS and codes are not magically written and you can expect them to work 100% instantly. I know this because I am (a starting out) software developer, so bugs/broken features in the technical previews are acceptable.

    2. The efforts they put in to court people: I mean, if they wanted to shut down WP, why bother with Universal Apps / Project Islandwood / Project Aestoria ? Why go through all the efforts of building more tools for developers, and consumers alike if you are going to discard this the next day ? Mind you, all these costs money, and I don't think they would want to spend MILLIONS, just to waste it the next day.

    Point is, why would they even bother with doing all these if they just want to throw it away the next day. The fact that they are still doing this means they STILL CARE, and I think they are trying their best (although, yeah, I disagree with some of the directions they are going in some areas, but thats another discussion). So please, people, take what is being reported with a truckload of salt and think please. Life is much more than just Android/iOS/WP, so dont get all overly upset about these things. Things happen for a reason, and maybe what we are seeing here today wouldn't affect the foreseeable future, but maybe in the long term it can help us, but this is just what I think. I don't usually participate in these types of arguments, but seeing the reactions of people these past few days really made me want to say something.
    Exactly. MS has put too much work into W10M or whatever to just drop it altogether. I do think there might be plans to phase it out if it doesn't work though.

    The only thing that's dead about W10M is one handed usability.
    07-01-2015 12:32 AM
  24. SonOfDad's Avatar
    Shutting down wp is the last thing MS is going to do, it will let andriod and iOS make a mockery of the OS
    Do Google and Apple even bother making comments about Windows Phone anymore? They've both ripped ideas out of Windows Phone in the past and Androids "material" design looks more like Windows Phone than Windows 10 mobile does. Both are flying so high I doubt they're worried at loosing any numbers to Windows 10 in fact they might even gain them as existing WP8 users who were happy with the OS are questioning the changes currently being shown.

    MS are clearly making money off apps/services for iOS and Android and it seems that's where Nadella wants to take the business rather than having it's own mobile division. Yes they could offload it but who'd want a non performing third mobile OS?
    Kram Sacul likes this.
    07-01-2015 07:50 AM
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