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  1. rollindice's Avatar
    Just think about it, won't make any sense ,won't happen
    07-01-2015 09:13 AM
  2. jmshub's Avatar
    Everyone linking to articles posting gloom and doom. Did anyone read the opposite perspective from our own Daniel Rubino? Try giving this article a read and see what you think of it. It's just common sense and good perspective on the rumors. Microsoft and the future of Windows Phone and Windows 10: The sky is not falling | Windows Central
    07-01-2015 09:58 AM
  3. Sam_93's Avatar
    More on rumors coming true. Layoffs expected from mobile handset section.More Microsoft layoffs on the horizon? - Fortune
    07-01-2015 10:02 AM
  4. rhapdog's Avatar
    I saw several sites pushing this story and I can't say this isn't by design. It seems that with each progression of this roll out of Windows 10, the more anxious these bloggers get...and it almost seems orchestrated. To me it does. I'm sure we will see a lot more of these posts in the coming days and weeks.
    Yes, I have noticed that as well. I think Apple and Google are both scared witless of Windows 10 and what an entire, streamlined, consistent experience of an ecosystem it will bring. They know they can't match it. The only way to keep people from buying into Windows 10 is to try to kill Windows 10 mobile from the start, so they begin getting all their cronies to start prophecying the death before it is even born. If people steer clear of Windows 10 Mobile for fear it will be cut, then developers won't develop for Windows 10, and it will damage it all. It's a desperate attempt from desperate people who are afraid Microsoft will become a giant monopoly of everything if they succeed, leaving too small of a slice of pie for them. My opinion, not necessarily fact. Not necessarily non-fact, but we really can't say for sure, because I don't like to report rumors as fact the way so many "journalists" seem to do.

    More on rumors coming true. Layoffs expected from mobile handset section.More Microsoft layoffs on the horizon? - Fortune
    That's not a rumor coming true. At least not yet. It's just more speculation if you bother to read the entire article.
    Fortune is Apple biased, as I have noticed in numerous articles in the past. Of course they will spell doom and gloom any way they can toward Microsoft.

    They act as if Microsoft is dying or something in that article. Microsoft is growing rapidly, and the tough choices they have been making will only make Microsoft bigger, leaner, and better able to handle all the different markets they are taking on.
    Sam_93, EMINENT 1 and tgp like this.
    07-01-2015 10:49 AM
  5. LockOnTech's Avatar
    1) If microsoft were to really shut down windows phone; then why go through the trouble of making the lumia 640 and 640xl?

    2) (speculation) if microsoft were to abruptly get rid of windows phone; this would be no different then what Blackberry did with the playbook about not receiving OS10, look how that turned out.

    3) Microsoft has a good thing going right now, I expect it to not let it go to waste.
    Sam_93 likes this.
    07-01-2015 12:27 PM
  6. Magikal's Avatar
    If they really wanted to shut down Windows Phone, why would they release mid-rangers like 640/640xl? If they really wanted to shut down WP why would they release low-end devices like 435/532/535 ?
    But if they shut down WP, that would be a huge blow and disrespect to all Lumia owners. Some sort of a suicide.
    07-02-2015 02:06 AM
  7. FindleInClev's Avatar
    I don't think this is a all-or-nothing thing. I have a feeling though that MS could pull back from emphasizing selling to consumers. I've seen more marketing that is directed at businesses, like on their YouTube channel. And they also try to appeal to younger demos because of the more affordable phones. If they are only making one or two flagships, I don't see that changing the current landscape in the US.
    07-02-2015 06:24 AM
  8. syspry's Avatar
    I think Apple and Google are both scared witless of Windows 10
    Lol! You owe me a new keyboard, I spit coffee all over it laughing
    07-02-2015 04:24 PM
  9. bo_woods's Avatar
    Apple probably already has their "one OS" in the works, and it'll get tons of praise lol
    07-02-2015 04:37 PM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    I think Apple and Google are both scared witless of Windows 10
    Lol! You owe me a new keyboard, I spit coffee all over it laughing
    Yeah I laughed too! Good one rhapdog!

    You know, I actually think it's more accurate to say that WP fans are scared witless of Apple and Google.
    Laura Knotek and syspry like this.
    07-02-2015 06:36 PM
  11. uberlaff's Avatar
    Hell no! They're not shutting it down.
    07-02-2015 07:00 PM
  12. maclancer's Avatar
    Hell no! They're not shutting it down.
    Look people if Blackberry still in business with much less than 1%... Microsoft have a lot of advantages plus Windows 10 is going to be amazing, because it is designed as one OS for all devices.
    mary beth hale likes this.
    07-02-2015 07:06 PM
  13. Sam_93's Avatar
    Lol! You owe me a new keyboard, I spit coffee all over it laughing
    I think they should be scared . Remeber symbian anyone ? If they arent careful now then may be who knows.
    07-02-2015 09:51 PM
  14. ohgood's Avatar
    Microsoft promotes a new Lumia Phone ad geared towards business.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=43&v=8-3AFKNI5Yc
    i didn't see anything unique the other platforms have been doing for a while?
    07-03-2015 09:01 PM
  15. kriz225's Avatar
    The quote below is from the article by Thurrott:

    "Tough choices. Where things are not working.

    Again, it’s hard to not to think “Windows Phone” when I read that. Some have suggested Surface might be part of that thought as well, but I’m not as sure about that, and feel that Surface still has an important role to play. And besides, Surface is just a tiny portion of a huge market. Microsoft’s Lumia devices are huge portion (statistically almost the only portion) of a tiny market, one that is going nowhere fast.

    I hope he wasn’t referring to Windows Phone. But it’s hard to believe that’s not the message here."
    I read the article, but thanks for the quote... Now, please tell me where in there he says that he thinks Windows phone is being killed off?

    I was just saying that "tough choices" doesn't necessarily mean "kill off a whole product line". Indeed I think that would be a bit of a leap.
    Last edited by kriz225; 07-04-2015 at 01:52 AM. Reason: Gremmarz
    07-04-2015 01:50 AM
  16. pericle's Avatar
    I read the article, but thanks for the quote... Now, please tell me where in there he says that he thinks Windows phone is being killed off?

    I was just saying that "tough choices" doesn't necessarily mean "kill off a whole product line". Indeed I think that would be a bit of a leap.
    Good that you read the article, now read it again including the first two paragraphs and the one I quoted then you might understand the context of the entire article and why it's obvious that his article is speculating that Microsoft might kill off Window Phone.

    And since you think Microsoft is only going to take 'tough choices' regarding Windows Phone let us know what you think those tough choices could be. They have already laid off thousands of workers, closed down factories, shown the door to Stephen Elop and his deputy and put all their services and products on ios and Android. So what other tough choices are left for them to take regarding Windows Phone?
    07-04-2015 04:11 AM
  17. realwarder's Avatar
    So what other tough choices are left for them to take regarding Windows Phone?
    The phrases 'tough choices' and 'Windows Phone' have only been put together by rumor sites. The original letter did not do that.
    07-04-2015 08:19 AM
  18. pericle's Avatar
    The phrases 'tough choices' and 'Windows Phone' have only been put together by rumor sites. The original letter did not do that.
    That's true, however he talks about making tough choices where things are not working, and unfortunately Windows Phone with a 3% market share after 5 years falls into the category of things that are not working.

    More worryingly even after so many news outlets carried these articles speculating that they might be looking at killing off Windows Phone, Microsoft has not issued any statement regarding it's commitment to Windows Phone.

    Microsoft will obviously know that many people who read these articles will hold off on purchasing Windows 10 mobile if they think it might be dropped in the near future, yet they have not made any statement in this regard. It makes you wonder why that is the case.
    07-04-2015 09:56 AM
  19. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    That's true, however he talks about making tough choices where things are not working, and unfortunately Windows Phone with a 3% market share after 5 years falls into the category of things that are not working.

    More worryingly even after so many news outlets carried these articles speculating that they might be looking at killing off Windows Phone, Microsoft has not issued any statement regarding it's commitment to Windows Phone.

    Microsoft will obviously know that many people who read these articles will hold off on purchasing Windows 10 mobile if they think it might be dropped in the near future, yet they have not made any statement in this regard. It makes you wonder why that is the case.
    This is what worries me too. I want a clear statement.
    07-04-2015 10:32 AM
  20. IEhrgeizI's Avatar
    Easy answer this. You ready?

    No.
    07-04-2015 10:34 AM
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    07-04-2015 10:35 AM
  22. kriz225's Avatar
    Good that you read the article, now read it again including the first two paragraphs and the one I quoted then you might understand the context of the entire article and why it's obvious that his article is speculating that Microsoft might kill off Window Phone.
    I do understand the context. I'm sorry but the article simply does not say, nor does it make it "obvious" that Microsoft is looking to kill off Windows phone.

    If you disagree, that's fine. I simply don't feel like it's appropriate for you to be stating your interpretation of an article as if it were fact. Especially when the article is from a well-known and trusted source for Microsoft news. Paul did not outright say Microsoft is killing Windows phone. He may have thought it - though I doubt that, too - but he definitely did not say it.

    Have you read Daniel R.'s thoughts on the matter? If you haven't, give his article a read. It's a well laid out, rational piece on what he thinks is going on. I'm firmly on the same camp.

    Here's a rough summary of the points for Windows phone sticking around:

    • Microsoft is heavily invested in Windows 10 Mobile
    • Windows 10 Mobile is not just about phones, it's about tablets, too
    • If Windows 10 Mobile disappears, the biggest point of Universal apps is completely undermined
    • We know Microsoft is set to release new flagship devices soon
    • Terry Myerson, the new guy in charge of Windows and devices (Windows phone) used to run the Windows Phone team


    So no, I don't think Microsoft is going to kill off Windows phone any time soon. Reputable Microsoft watchers like Mary Jo Foley and Daniel Rubino agree. While it is possible to interpret Paul's (admittedly more alarmist) article in the way you have, I simply don't think that's what he meant.

    And since you think Microsoft is only going to take 'tough choices' regarding Windows Phone let us know what you think those tough choices could be.
    I'd be happy to. I think that if we were to apply the "tough choices" phrase to Windows phone (let's remember that we're making a small leap here, as Nadella did not directly indicate it even applied to this) it would refer mostly to manufacturing costs for hardware. Right now, the market is flooded with Lumia devices. That means several things that are unfavorable to Microsoft.

    For one, it makes the market far less appealing for OEMs that may be considering Windows 10 Mobile as the OS for their new phones. It also means Microsoft itself has to carry the hardware for the platform, which involves a lot of design and manufacturing costs that no doubt hit their bottom line. Moreover, Nadella thinks of Microsoft as a "software and services" company. Hardware is more of a party piece for show casing what their software and services can do when at their very best. If that's the strategy going forward, it makes a lot more sense to cut down on the number of devices they bring to market. Google doesn't make 50 Nexus devices to show off what Android can be.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    07-04-2015 04:16 PM
  23. Luuthian's Avatar
    I read Daniel's article the other day and, while it was well written and totally rational, I can't agree that this is an exciting time to be a Windows Phone fan. It's more like the absolute worst.

    For starters we've got a bunch of panic stricken rumors that are trumpeting the end of the Windows Phone era. While these are, like Dan says, far from likely, they don't do much to help the sour mood permeating throughout the WP ecosystem. It doesn't help that there are 2-3 versions of these rumors and we've seen zero clarity from Microsoft themselves regarding the matter. No one wants to invest in an ecosystem that's being perceived as potential chopping block material down the road.

    On top of this we've seen zero worthwhile hardware activity from Microsoft for nearly 2 years now. That's a long time to go without the comfort of predictable flagship releases. It feels like they've given up even if they haven't. That's a huge mood killer.

    Topping it all off, though, is Microsoft's complete and utter silence on the subject. Before the more updated Windows 10 announcements this year WP was virtually ignored. Yes there were OS updates and so on but for the most part there was no discussion of hardware or a long term game plan for flagships. Certainly no money was spent on marketing outside of the Surface line. That trend seems to be continuing today.

    The overwhelming feeling is that Microsoft is keeping us in the dark regarding the future of the platform, even with recent announcements. And these gloomy rumors don't help inspire future confidence. Sure we've been promised features but we haven't been promised a path. That uncertainty makes it tough to for anyone to feel like they should buy in, and I doubt that will change when the new WP 10 devices launch

    It's NOT fun to be a Windows Phone fan right now. The future vision of the platform is murky as hell for the average consumer and Microsoft is doing little to clear the air. Hopefully they learn from this and realize the mistake they've made by leaving the platform drifting in the wind for over a year.
    Last edited by Luuthian; 07-04-2015 at 04:31 PM.
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    07-04-2015 04:19 PM
  24. kriz225's Avatar
    Microsoft can't go making official statements every time the press goes off the reservation with their "reports" based on speculation of speculated speculations.

    It does suck that we haven't had a flagship in a while, but the truth is no one was buying Windows phone anyway (ok, not literally) and it makes business sense to hold off on a flagship until there's a more compelling story for customers (Windows 10 Mobile).

    I, for one, am really excited to upgrade my Icon to a new Windows 10 flagship. My only concern is carrier availability... I am going to be livid if Verizon doesn't carry the new phones!
    TLRtheory likes this.
    07-04-2015 04:28 PM
  25. TLRtheory's Avatar
    We're banking on rumors of doom now?

    *Sigh* Sensationalists will be sensationalists...
    07-04-2015 04:30 PM
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