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  1. Sam_93's Avatar
    according to me the layoff news came at worst time possible just before release of windows 10 . I dont know why but I think this may negatively impact windows 10 . may be may be not. But May be WP as we know is over. I jumped the wagon from android to WP in hope getting some long time support may be that's gone. Windows Phone is going to be a niche product and I think just like blackberry Windows shall be going android may be few years down the lane. We shall know when we see 'Microdroid' or 'Droidsoft'
    Last edited by Sam_93; 07-13-2015 at 06:16 AM.
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    07-08-2015 10:26 PM
  2. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Why do you say that?

    MS is sitting on a pile of cash, has services and hardware - and is profitable.

    I am curious as to what you mean by your post.

    Thanks,

    Mr. V

    Very bad news. This is not time Microsoft.
    07-08-2015 10:38 PM
  3. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Apple has all their eggs in one basket - and yes Iphones are doing well - now.

    More and more people are getting Smartphones WP may not be profitable now, but in the future - mobility will be king. Staying here with WP is R&D.
    MS also has a lot of areas of expertise, not just phones. They are diverse. They can last.

    I think your first point is correct -- MS is shrinking the business in hopes of making it profitable (they've mostly been losing money on WP). BMW succeeds with a high-margin, profitable niche. Does anyone refer to WP as the BMW of the smartphone business? No doubt MS would love to find a BMW niche in the phone business. Maybe they could do that selling secure, business-oriented phones to demoralized Blackberry fans. There's not much chance they could do it selling low-end phones in international markets.

    How much can MS invest in R&D when they've been getting 0% and Apple has been pulling in around 90% of the profits in the smartphone business? MS has thrown a lot of money at Windows Phone, and I think Nadella is saying it hasn't worked (no growth and no profits) and we're not going to do it any more.
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    07-08-2015 10:45 PM
  4. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ...And as far as them getting other OEM's to make Windows phones, Really, do they think people are that STUPID. If you are not going to support your own OS with a phone why would someone else do it for you...

    Erm... How many of the zillion and five Android phones out there are made by Google?

    I read it more like reference devices as Google does with Nexus, but an expanded line.up of (4 - 6 being the numbers getting thrown around) devices rather than just one phone and one tablet a year as the Nexus program has done. It will be more like Surface. Lead by example. Before Surface, there were Android tablets out the wazoo and a couple Apple models a year. Now, post Surface, the number of Windows Tablets at all price points is increasing steadily. OEMs are certainly getting on board for tablets. Phones can replicate this.
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    07-08-2015 11:28 PM
  5. Jazmac's Avatar
    Right now, Microsoft's phone division is kind of wild west city with all the different handsets they have to improve and maintain. What I think they want to do is concentrate on a few phones that serve its goal of one Microsoft and Windows everywhere. That means they have to get lean.

    Most people don't talk about how Nadella wasn't on board with the purchase of Nokia. That decision was made by Balmer and now that Nadella is top dog, he's only doing what he think makes sense beginning with cutting all that fat from in and around the phone division so they can concentrate on its mobile goals. It doesn't include Nokia but will grease the skids for developers on other platforms.

    This move is NO DIFFERENT than the moves Steve Jobs made when he came back to Apple. He cut off a lot of contracts right off the bat. He said "NOBODY is building Macs but Apple". The VIP's and their managers that had these relationships with PC makers who were making lots of bread building their own kingdoms on the back of Apple got the contents of their desks handed to them in a cardboard box outside of HR. He then fired a ton of people that resisted his leadership and grew Apple into the company it is today.

    At least in the near term, this we know, there will be Windows Phones. new ones, flagships that run rings around its competitors. Flagships that will offer flexibility, finesse, power, storage and quality. At least this is how I read things. Gizmodo, BGR, and the rest are looking to make enough to pay down the debt from lawsuits from bloggers they owe money to. And google is writing mad checks for anyone that will tarnish Microsoft. They want death of a thousand cuts. So here they come and its just getting started. In the grand scheme, they make no contribution to Microsoft, Apple or anyone else.
    07-09-2015 01:15 AM
  6. Great deal's Avatar
    All MS has done so far is Purchase Nokia, assimilate it and restructure. They own some serious IP and they have invested heavily in the Surface brand, even wrote off a billion worth of stock, if they stopped at original surface due to loss then they would be nowhere, I think the true fruits of investment in Nokia have yet to be released, they have been biding their time and will be doing more of what has worked in the past. Im actually excited by what the future holds for this ecosystem. Slowly and surely the jigsaw pieces are being shaped and put into place, in a few months we will see the big picture when it comes together.
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    07-09-2015 02:13 AM
  7. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    If you're worried or unsure, that Microsoft will abandon W10M in a year or two, Get a iphone/ipad or an android phone as a secondary/backup device and wait it out or drop W10M/WP and get a iphone or android phone as your primary device.
    07-09-2015 05:50 AM
  8. Charles Brown8's Avatar
    Don't know where all this is going; but I have decided I will still have a Windows phone and a Android phone as I have had for several months. Only thing is now I will get a fairly high end Android phone and that will be my main phone and the Windows phone will be my secondary phone just the opposit of what I have now. I had hoped the little bit of money (for a company the size of Microsoft) they were losing would be a write off and WP would still be a main concern for Microsoft. I don't see that happening. And as far as them getting other OEM's to make Windows phones, Really, do they think people are that STUPID. If you are not going to support your own OS with a phone why would someone else do it for you. I cancelled my order for the 640XL and will just stay with my 820, and put most of my efforts into a upper end Android phone. If by some miracle they do OK with Windows phones I can always get a nice little mid-ranger to replace the 820. If not then Oh well. I will still have my Windows desktops; but my tablets and phones will be Android. Sad day for Windows; Wonder how Mr. Gates feels about this turn of events.
    What exactly has google done with android? How many different phones does google actually manufacture themselves? Oems are the backbone for android. Correct me if I am wrong. ;)
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    07-09-2015 07:41 AM
  9. Charles Brown8's Avatar
    according to me the layoff news came at worst time possible just before release of windows 10 . I dont know why but I think this may negatively impact windows 10 . may be may be not. But May be WP as we know is over. I jumped the wagon from android to WP in hope getting dome long time support may be that's gone. Windows Phone is going to be a niche product and I think just like blackberry Windows shall be going android may be few years down the lane. We shall know when we see 'Microdroid' or 'Droidsoft'
    I think it's bad press either way but better it happen before win10 launch. Layoffs after launch would give the impression win10 is a failure. However a sudden recoup after win10 launch would give the impression the os Is a huge success. Just my opinion of course
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    07-09-2015 07:49 AM
  10. Spectrum90's Avatar
    If you're worried or unsure, that Microsoft will abandon W10M in a year or two, Get a iphone/ipad or an android phone as a secondary/backup device and wait it out or drop W10M/WP and get a iphone or android phone as your primary device.
    With less support from Microsoft, market share will collapse and developers won't adopt the platform. That's the problem.

    BB10 is a good example of what's coming for WP.
    07-09-2015 09:20 AM
  11. Great deal's Avatar
    MS are using the fact that developers can now easily create windows desktop versions (which 95%+ of the business world uses) of their apps which reach a massive audience, this will resolve the app gap issue. Time will tell, its looking good on paper.
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    07-09-2015 09:42 AM
  12. odin09's Avatar
    Why would OEM's continue to support windows phone if 90% of the phones sold are manufactured by Nokia/Microsoft? I think scaling back is a good thing. Targeting phones to business, low end and high end is also a smart move. There is so much confusion now. Quicker updates were also mentioned as well as releasing hardware regularly. Other than the layoffs I believe this is a positive direction for Windows Phone.
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    07-09-2015 09:53 AM
  13. Zakaria Desai's Avatar
    At least in the near term, this we know, there will be Windows Phones. new ones, flagships that run rings around its competitors. Flagships that will offer flexibility, finesse, power, storage and quality. At least this is how I read things.



    Certainly hope your take on this, works out. I love my Lumia 930. It would be a real waste if Microsoft threw a really good product away.



    Blackberry's attempted reinvention was nowhere near as slick. Windows phone 8.1 is an awesome os. Only drawback is the app eco system. But hands down a superior os experience to ios or android.



    And Microsoft would be stupid to shun mobile altogether, with the penetration mobile is gaining every day. It's where the world is going, and to throw in the towel so early would be very short sighted.



    Btw, just read another doomsday post on Cnet. Be good to prove the naysayers wrong.



    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...-go-from-here/
    07-09-2015 02:18 PM
  14. Krystianpants's Avatar
    All MS has done so far is Purchase Nokia, assimilate it and restructure. They own some serious IP and they have invested heavily in the Surface brand, even wrote off a billion worth of stock, if they stopped at original surface due to loss then they would be nowhere, I think the true fruits of investment in Nokia have yet to be released, they have been biding their time and will be doing more of what has worked in the past. Im actually excited by what the future holds for this ecosystem. Slowly and surely the jigsaw pieces are being shaped and put into place, in a few months we will see the big picture when it comes together.
    Microsoft is definitely not stupid. It used to be that google was the open company and the hip company to join. The peoples' company. Now they have become one of the worst corporations with constant coverage about not upholding customer's privacy. Now Microsoft has become the open company. so open it let its users help build an operating system. They disclose everything and have even fought the U.S. government in court to preserve privacy. Either way, they knew that laying off all these people would put them on the spot light and right before their debut. But in reality it is just showing that they are willing to do to make Windows Mobile great. A lot of people are losing their jobs, but they are working on things from the past, things Microsoft wants to leave behind. Windows 10 is about the future.

    It's the company mobile deserves, but not the one it needs right now. *chuckle*

    I believe that when Microsoft shows off their new phones, they will be very inspiring, something that will change mobile or at least mobile for Microsoft. Microsoft pioneered hybrid PC's with the surface. Sales in hybrids have soared. Beyond the hybrid future is the mobile future. One device that can do everything. This is what continuum is about. Coffee shops will have nothing but monitors lined and you can just connect your phone to them and work on a large screen. Offices will provide people with phones as their identity. Open doors to the building, sit down at a desk and connect to a monitor. They don't even have to let people take their phones home. They are handed a phone when they arrive, scan their iris and the corporate profile is loaded and they begin the day. Or just use a Microsoft band.

    Ok ok i'm starting to get too many ideas. :P
    07-09-2015 02:21 PM
  15. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Nice ideas poopyfinger, however phones are not going to be PC replacement's yet. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if it's as soon as next year.

    However the elephant in the room is security and which is why a remote insta-paper weight switch is needed. Currently if a phone is lost or stolen, on average you would lose your unbacked up photos, documents and unsynced contacts. But with this you will lose a whole lot more and will have much bigger problems.

    BUT on the flip side with this remote switch, you have another problem - what happens if some one gains access to that switch with malicious intentions?

    Have a read of this - http://www.wired.com/2012/08/apple-a...honan-hacking/
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    07-11-2015 12:56 AM
  16. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Nice ideas poopyfinger, however phones are not going to be PC replacement's yet. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if it's as soon as next year.

    However the elephant in the room is security and which is why a remote insta-paper weight switch is needed. Currently if a phone is lost or stolen, on average you would lose your unbacked up photos, documents and unsynced contacts. But with this you will lose a whole lot more and will have much bigger problems.

    BUT on the flip side with this remote switch, you have another problem - what happens if some one gains access to that switch with malicious intentions?

    Have a read of this - How Apple and Amazon Security Flaws Led to My Epic Hacking | WIRED

    This is true but that's why Microsoft is trying to do away with passwords. Iris scanning done properly would be the ultimate security. And the MS phone would act as your single point of security. If lost or stolen at least it couldn't be used. And a new iris scan on your new phone will load up your phone exactly how you had it and disable the other phone.

    You have way more problems without phones these days. I mean anyone can steal your identity. I don't see how adding extra measures would make it worse. Your personal stuff can get stolen whether online or anywhere. That's something you have to accept. Microsoft has been attacked about security for years. They have always been at a point where they already had their operating system built and all they could do is patch things. Now they are building it from bottom to top with security in mind. These guys have decades of security experience. They have been running malware tools on all windows scanning and providing information as to how malware/viruses work. They built their OS around that. And sure people will be attacking the system trying to find loop holes but that's like with anything. So you either don't have a presence on the net or you do. Your phone has become like a wallet, you always carry it with you. It's just going to become your virtual wallet and identity.

    You can't try to hold back the future because you fear it. Identifying yourself in the current world is broken. You get a bunch of id's after filling out a bunch of papers and providing some evidence it is you. What is the one that that guarantees it's you? Your biological identity. That's something that can't be easily faked. yet...
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    07-11-2015 06:59 AM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    ^^Please tell me you're not advocating bio-identification as the future system. I refuse to be assimilated.
    Sent from my latest victim - Lumia 640
    07-11-2015 06:00 PM
  18. TechFreak1's Avatar
    This is true but that's why Microsoft is trying to do away with passwords. Iris scanning done properly would be the ultimate security. And the MS phone would act as your single point of security. If lost or stolen at least it couldn't be used. And a new iris scan on your new phone will load up your phone exactly how you had it and disable the other phone.
    Hmm, what happens when there are changes environmental or genetical that causes said iris scan to become defunct and the individual has not used or set up any other authentication methods?

    As lets face it, unless there are fail safes put in place and made mandatory during oobe most people will take the easiest approach.


    You have way more problems without phones these days. I mean anyone can steal your identity. I don't see how adding extra measures would make it worse. Your personal stuff can get stolen whether online or anywhere, That's something you have to accept.
    Of course, however biometric data cannot be easily replaced as a bunch of digits or a say a facebook account.

    Microsoft has been attacked about security for years. They have always been at a point where they already had their operating system built and all they could do is patch things. Now they are building it from bottom to top with security in mind. These guys have decades of security experience. They have been running malware tools on all windows scanning and providing information as to how malware/viruses work. They built their OS around that. And sure people will be attacking the system trying to find loop holes but that's like with anything.
    As rightly pointed there is no such as being completely secure, anything human made has flaws be it intentional or by accidental design. Hence why there are always iterations i.e Wi Fi encryption. Regardless one would imagine Windows 10 would be more secure than the previous iterations however without "really" testing it, one cannot say for certain it is.


    So you either don't have a presence on the net or you do. Your phone has become like a wallet, you always carry it with you. It's just going to become your virtual wallet and identity.
    Actually you could get by without an online presence however as companies including social networking sites into their background checks that is no longer a possibility. I find it ridiculous that companies are placing more and more emphasis into looking into your social life as opposed your experience and hard earned credentials. There are several sector's why this should be standard practice however for your run-of-the-mill jobs such as admin doesn't warrant such an intrusion into your social life. Never the less that is not the topic of discussion here.

    Your phone has become like a wallet, you always carry it with you. It's just going to become your virtual wallet and identity.
    Japan, have had this in place for decades so if anything that is an example countries should follow by but based on past trends it will take years if not decades for that to happen. For instance the US only just started gearing to the chip & pin system, a system other countries have been using for also decades.


    You can't try to hold back the future because you fear it. Identifying yourself in the current world is broken. You get a bunch of id's after filling out a bunch of papers and providing some evidence it is you. What is the one that that guarantees it's you?
    Haha, not afraid however one needs to take a slow pragmatic approach to ensure we don't end up in a much more dire situation - the movie Identity thief as funny as it was shows lightly how the broken current system is - this extract sums it in my opinion:

    "Oh, no, we don't go get anyone.
    Let me walk you out.
    See, we're Denver PD.
    All we do is open and close the case.
    Now, if she buys
    something on Amazon,
    then Seattle PD
    would investigate.
    Your mobile company's in Ohio,
    then Cleveland PD handles that.
    Then so on and so forth
    for every single theft."

    Of course that is not saying a fraud team will not investigate or there won't be any collaborative efforts, but it could be ages before things are finally put right.

    Your biological identity. That's something that can't be easily faked. yet...
    Which is why security is more paramount than ever before, as once you lose access to your bio-metrics then what happens?

    If you thought getting a new social security number was a hassle....
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    07-12-2015 10:36 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Hmm, what happens when there are changes environmental or genetical that causes said iris scan to become defunct and the individual has not used or set up any other authentication methods?

    As lets face it, unless there are fail safes put in place and made mandatory during oobe most people will take the easiest approach.




    Of course, however biometric data cannot be easily replaced as a bunch of digits or a say a facebook account.



    As rightly pointed there is no such as being completely secure, anything human made has flaws be it intentional or by accidental design. Hence why there are always iterations i.e Wi Fi encryption. Regardless one would imagine Windows 10 would be more secure than the previous iterations however without "really" testing it, one cannot say for certain it is.




    Actually you could get by without an online presence however as companies including social networking sites into their background checks that is no longer a possibility. I find it ridiculous that companies are placing more and more emphasis into looking into your social life as opposed your experience and hard earned credentials. There are several sector's why this should be standard practice however for your run-of-the-mill jobs such as admin doesn't warrant such an intrusion into your social life. Never the less that is not the topic of discussion here.



    Japan, have had this in place for decades so if anything that is an example countries should follow by but based on past trends it will take years if not decades for that to happen. For instance the US only just started gearing to the chip & pin system, a system other countries have been using for also decades.



    Haha, not afraid however one needs to take a slow pragmatic approach to ensure we don't end up in a much more dire situation - the movie Identity thief as funny as it was shows lightly how the broken current system is - this extract sums it in my opinion:

    "Oh, no, we don't go get anyone.
    Let me walk you out.
    See, we're Denver PD.
    All we do is open and close the case.
    Now, if she buys
    something on Amazon,
    then Seattle PD
    would investigate.
    Your mobile company's in Ohio,
    then Cleveland PD handles that.
    Then so on and so forth
    for every single theft."

    Of course that is not saying a fraud team will not investigate or there won't be any collaborative efforts, but it could be ages before things are finally put right.



    Which is why security is more paramount than ever before, as once you lose access to your bio-metrics then what happens?

    If you thought getting a new social security number was a hassle....
    Sure but you're just thinking of all the worst scenarios. I had my passport stolen once. Got a new one. What someone did with it is beyond me. I just live my life one day at a time. Right now windows supports facial recognition. Saw a video of it in action and its pretty neat. You need 3 cameras which includes a 3d, infrared and rgb. It them does a prophet scan of your face and lets you logon that way. So for the average person to get on your phone is not possible. Government level hacks could be a different story. . Obviously this creatures some sort of data that is checked against. But my guess is even if its hacked is quite a lot of work. if someone gets the dates it can be ms could technically just change what days how it's created. Like I said passwords are way less secure. So either way you're getting a step up. If you and yo in a car wreck and your gave cant be distinguished them you have bought problems than logging into your phone. They may
    07-13-2015 05:30 AM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Sorry working from phone the wpcentral app text box loses ability to scroll at some point. So don't see mistakes.
    07-13-2015 05:32 AM
  21. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Sure but you're just thinking of all the worst scenarios. I had my passport stolen once. Got a new one. What someone did with it is beyond me. I just live my life one day at a time. Right now windows supports facial recognition. Saw a video of it in action and its pretty neat. You need 3 cameras which includes a 3d, infrared and rgb. It them does a prophet scan of your face and lets you logon that way. So for the average person to get on your phone is not possible. Government level hacks could be a different story. . Obviously this creatures some sort of data that is checked against. But my guess is even if its hacked is quite a lot of work. if someone gets the dates it can be ms could technically just change what days how it's created. Like I said passwords are way less secure. So either way you're getting a step up. If you and yo in a car wreck and your gave cant be distinguished them you have bought problems than logging into your phone. They may
    I'm aware of what's needed ;), in essence it is the kinect 2.0 camera shrunk down with only your face being the vocal point not your skeletal anatomy.

    In this day and age where social cyber attacks will become more and more complex as they (people with malicious intent) get more and more access to your data. We are constantly online now be it on phones, laptop, pc, tablets, smart tvs etc even on stand by (or sleep mode) they are still connected. We leave a trail of crumbs where ever we go and all that data doesn't disappear into the ether, it is stored, analysed and used to feed us adverts and used to perform other analytics. Which is where telemetry or analytics (based on current data of the general population as a whole) used for future projections more than often than not falls on it face completely.

    Therefore if anything with bio-metric data which cannot be easily replaced needs to be safe guarded even more closely. Why do you think the big three have been increasingly ever more vocal against government agencies when it comes to user data & privacy?

    Trust here is the key and most valuable asset of all, which is why security is paramount. Your posts say it all, you trust Microsoft to be able to keep your data secure; which is true for the most of general populous. Without that subconscious trust we all would be wearing tin foil hats and suits.

    Fail to prepare, is to prepare to fail.

    Best not to give into the illusion of security but to be always skeptical & continuously improve data safeguards.

    One most plan for the worst case scenarios or best case scenarios (depending on the situation) and work backwards only then can you truly think outside the box. However the caveat is that things done with the best of intentions will either back fire or have unintended catastrophic consequences - there are two sides to a coin.

    Sorry working from phone the wpcentral app text box loses ability to scroll at some point. So don't see mistakes.
    Don't worry about it :), the text box is even more cumbersome on the phone preview as the keyboard sometimes get stuck behind the app bar lol. So you end up tapping to get the keyboard unstuck and in the process displace the cursor... which sometimes crashes the app or refuses to budge from it is current place.
    07-13-2015 07:53 AM
  22. syspry's Avatar
    ^^Please tell me you're not advocating bio-identification as the future system. I refuse to be assimilated.
    Sent from my latest victim - Lumia 640
    Agreed. Currently if someone wants to steal and hack my PIN or whatever, they just steal my phone. If iris scanning became the standard, not only will they steal my phone, but they'll gouge out my eyeball too!!!
    07-18-2015 10:19 AM
  23. Genghis7777's Avatar
    Yesterday one of the partners of a client of mine said Microsoft had decided to back Android and was busy retiring the Windows Phone business, citing the recent layoffs, the migration of apps and Cortana to other OSes, the higher priority given to releasing Android and IOS ahead of their own ecosystem. A sad conversation.
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    07-21-2015 05:43 AM
  24. Great deal's Avatar
    Well I guess the partner is short sighted, its only matter of a few weeks before they look stupid in front of thier partner.
    07-21-2015 07:53 AM
  25. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    So, what is about to happen after these "few weeks"?
    08-15-2015 04:12 AM
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