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  1. ads13's Avatar
    1. MS should stop developing its apps for Lagdroid and iCrap and pull them down from those stores.
    2. Aggressive marketing of W10 mobile and its advantages over Lagdroid and iCrap.
    3. Make people aware of Project Astoria, Project Iceland and universal apps as well as Windows Continuum.
    4. Highlight and market aggressively the traditional hallmarks of WP such as its strong performance, lack of security issues, aesthetically beautiful UI etc.
    5. MS should restrict Lumias to the high-end and let the other OEMs release WP handsets for the low- and mid-range.
    I'm agreed with you.

    MS is the only who make their 75% efforts on Android and iPhone apps not on their own market.
    colinkiama likes this.
    08-22-2015 02:12 PM
  2. Chris Phelps's Avatar
    IMO -

    The only real call to Android is the number of apps that can be found. If people would develop for WP, it would probably be a huge turnaround. But there isn't much in the way of attracting developers as of yet. With Astoria on the way, we could see a huge shift.

    I was into Android since it's release. At the time, they were the underdog. They amassed a huge developer and hacker following very early on, and it just took off. I bought a Lumia Icon to replace my 2013 Moto X, and to be perfectly honest, the only draw was the camera. My intention was to use the Icon when I was out hiking or on road trips, and keep my Moto X as my daily phone. That thought process lasted until the first hour I had the Icon.

    WP8.1 was kind of clunky in some aspects... mail, for example. W10M is much more clean, and I am much happier with it now. There are so very few things I still miss about Android.

    1) Youtube. We need a native app.

    2) Photo backup. I always used G+, which was good enough. Onedrive is an absolute joke. They only allow very low resolution versions of the pictures you take to be backed up. Basically, it works if you want to share a quick glimpse of a picture with someone, but if something happens to your phone, your precious pictures are still GONE. Their thought process on that one escapes me.

    That's about it, though.
    08-22-2015 10:29 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    2) Photo backup. I always used G+, which was good enough. Onedrive is an absolute joke. They only allow very low resolution versions of the pictures you take to be backed up. Basically, it works if you want to share a quick glimpse of a picture with someone, but if something happens to your phone, your precious pictures are still GONE. Their thought process on that one escapes me.
    OneDrive for Windows Phone will back up full resolution photos if you use WiFi.

    OneDrive for Android will back up full resolution photos using WiFi or mobile data.
    Guytronic likes this.
    08-22-2015 10:32 PM
  4. Slovenix's Avatar
    As one of the possible reasons I'd say

    Microsoft focusing on improving their OWN apps on their OWN systems.

    Making apps and services for iOS and Android with a chance to invite/lure users to their own Windows Mobile as a complete and best experience possible is one thing

    Yes I do support their apps on iOS and Android as I use them there too.

    Making apps and services actually any better on Windows Mobile is something completely different.

    However I think that this is not their main goal anymore, they are a software company after all and should give services to any one on any device.

    Making it a best experience on Windows Mobile would still be something nice to hear.

    I know that Windows 10 is getting released on WP, but what is going to convince Android and IOS users to switch? A better looking and smoother user interface isn`t going to move these phones alone. We`re still missing important apps like Snapchat, Steam (On Windows, how odd is that?), official Youtube and so on. Apps like Facebook and Twitter are there, but they are much worse on WP compared to Android.
    Steam? Man, I wish I had it.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 08-23-2015 at 01:25 AM.
    08-23-2015 01:05 AM
  5. Alierna's Avatar
    I think slow performance and incomplete apps will convince users to switch to our beloved platform. Do not forget the lovely pause and resume pages that I can't live without them
    sanjeet_deshwal and trivishal like this.
    08-23-2015 01:14 AM
  6. sanjeet_deshwal's Avatar
    Aggressive marketing?
    LOL.
    Within 10-12 minutes while I was reading this thread , 2 Microsoft ads (540 & 640xl) and 3 iPhone ads ,appeared on different TV channels(India).
    iPhone ads were like "we have more than 1.5 million apps with them you can do anything and at the end if it's not an iPhone. Then it's not an iPhone"
    Rest 2 ads were showcasing iPhones slow motion camera feature.
    On the other side , Lumia 540 & 640xl ads were like " this have office, OneDrive and OneNote "

    Do you really think Microsoft, Indians will use OneDrive and office, who are still using 2g network on their only browsing devices .(OneDrive with Edge network 😑)

    And that 1.5 million includes office ,OneDrive,OneNote too(better ones)

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    English isn't my primary language
    Last edited by sanjeet_deshwal; 08-23-2015 at 03:32 AM.
    08-23-2015 01:28 AM
  7. Slovenix's Avatar
    Aggressive marketing?
    LOL.
    Within 10-12 minutes while I was reading this thread , 2 Microsoft ads (540 & 640xl) and 3 iPhone ads ,appeared on different TV channels(India).
    iPhone ads were like "we have more than 1.5 million apps with them you can do anything and at the end if you don't have an iPhone. You don't have an iPhone"
    Rest 2 ads were showcasing iPhones slow motion camera feature.
    On the other side , Lumia 540 & 640xl ads were like " this have office, OneDrive and OneNote "

    Do you really think Microsoft, Indians will use OneDrive and office, who are still using 2g network on their only browsing devices .(OneDrive with Edge 😑)

    And that 1.5 million includes office ,OneDrive,OneNote too(better ones)

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    English isn't my primary language
    Exactly. Which normal user uses Office anyways.. I don't know what are they aiming with that, Enterprise users they say? They are better off on iOS & Android in the first place.
    08-23-2015 01:54 AM
  8. taymur's Avatar
    I expect continuum would be a major plus for the platform.

    Also I think being in the platform kinda provokes you to buy different touch points, I see Hololens as a good contender.


    But all in all, I do not think Microsoft has a target for 2016 that focuses on their mobile device that much.
    08-23-2015 02:08 AM
  9. Slovenix's Avatar
    I expect continuum would be a major plus for the platform.

    Also I think being in the platform kinda provokes you to buy different touch points, I see Hololens as a good contender.


    But all in all, I do not think Microsoft has a target for 2016 that focuses on their mobile device that much.
    This.. All say Continuum is such an awesome thing.. Reality.. Who cares? Those few tech enthusiants..

    Hololens.. Yeah for rich kinds, if they make it cool.

    Unless, they go head over heels promoting those features in every single Windows Mobile ad, then YES!

    Microsoft could use some Nice words from big name news sites for sure.
    Last edited by Slovenix; 08-23-2015 at 02:28 AM.
    08-23-2015 02:17 AM
  10. Slovenix's Avatar
    Maybe the promoting is the only problem at Microsoft lol..
    08-23-2015 02:35 AM
  11. taymur's Avatar
    Maybe the promoting is the only problem at Microsoft lol..
    i doubt that's their issue, as marketing has only one difficulty, which is cash, and Microsoft has a lot of that.

    in the past year, they had a marketing campaign, and they set a target to have "an Ad where ever you look" or something like this, and they did that.

    I used to see windows phone ads on everything, billboards, magazines, websites, seriously all advertisement mean available.

    but i live in Jordan, so i do not know about you. :)
    08-23-2015 02:46 AM
  12. mathsisbest's Avatar
    i doubt that's their issue, as marketing has only one difficulty, which is cash, and Microsoft has a lot of that.
    Pretty sure quality of advertising is important...
    You can always keep on throwing money, but only effective marketing works.
    08-23-2015 02:48 AM
  13. Slovenix's Avatar
    i doubt that's their issue, as marketing has only one difficulty, which is cash, and Microsoft has a lot of that.

    in the past year, they had a marketing campaign, and they set a target to have "an Ad where ever you look" or something like this, and they did that.

    I used to see windows phone ads on everything, billboards, magazines, websites, seriously all advertisement mean available.

    but i live in Jordan, so i do not know about you. :)
    There are/were ads like Lumia 930 for it's camera, but only words, no presentation, no video and lots of cheap Lumia's with Office.. In the mean time we got LG G4 and S6 ads with videos showing off their Camera and 4K recording and 2K displays in a whole lot better way so.. Yeah
    xandros9 and colinkiama like this.
    08-23-2015 03:36 AM
  14. kaoh_v's Avatar
    HTC and other android builders spend a lot of cash on ads, and they fail. The great succes of Android is driven by Samsung succes. If we can learn anything from Apple it is how image works. And Microsoft keeps failing at selling the image. The Hololens could make Microsoft cool again, someday. But for now they just have to prevent people from jumping ship. Keep them connected to their services and customers will start to buy any Windows device someday again, just because that is the name they know as the device platform they have their services on.
    The succes of Android is more about Youtube and Google Maps than about Android itself. Even the Google owned Motorola could not make a profit on those phones. If there is no reason to not buy a Windows Phone more people will take one.
    08-24-2015 07:55 AM
  15. sanjeet_deshwal's Avatar
    Check out this old ad of office 365
    08-24-2015 09:23 AM
  16. Mikado_Wu's Avatar
    As a High School Technology Teacher, I have been hearing the same thing from my students for years. Microsoft Sucks, I do not Trust Microsoft, They just use us to beta test, Android and IPhone are superior.

    For 9 of the past 11 years I have used a Windows Phone device. While I love it, I agree with the Topic header. There is NOTHING in windows 10 to convince new people to use it. They have had all the best ideas and failed miserably implementing them every time. MS has to change their Culture and Trust with the consumers.
    xandros9 likes this.
    08-24-2015 10:45 AM
  17. chattoe's Avatar
    They need some one similar to phill spencer the head of Xbox. All you have to do is look what he has done so far to turn it around.

    Get some one like him in charge of windows phone and it will be a strong platform attracting new users.

    I myself have used an iPhone since the 3G, I have tried android (which imo is horrid) and tried windows phone to which is the only other platform that nearly pulled me away from my iPhone.

    I had a 920 and 930 for a little while and while I was mighty impressed all I saw was potential, windows phone wasn't ready for me. So again I'm back on my iPhone. I'm really hoping windows phone 10 can bring the potential I saw a few years back into reality because I actually saw a contender that would finally prise me away from Apple.
    08-24-2015 03:07 PM
  18. colinkiama's Avatar
    It's soo easy. All you need is good advertising. Why do you think there are so many brainwashed apple and Samsung fans. ADVERTISING. Your product can be so bad but with advertising it can look like the best thing in the world.
    08-24-2015 03:33 PM
  19. Jezza's Avatar
    It's soo easy. All you need is good advertising. Why do you think there are so many brainwashed apple and Samsung fans. ADVERTISING. Your product can be so bad but with advertising it can look like the best thing in the world.
    You mean advertising like this? ha!

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    08-24-2015 04:11 PM
  20. colinkiama's Avatar
    You mean advertising like this? ha!

    No. It's good but there is too much spotlight on the iPhone and galaxy but what about the Lumia? We saw iPhone and android's features but what can the Lumia do exactly.

    Despite how funny it is, they actually helped advertise their competitors device more than their own.
    MikeSo likes this.
    08-24-2015 04:24 PM
  21. colinkiama's Avatar
    You mean advertising like this? ha!

    It should be all about hyping the product like this:

    But at the same time they are showing off cool features and functionality.
    MikeSo likes this.
    08-24-2015 04:29 PM
  22. Leonel Funes's Avatar
    1. MS should stop developing its apps for Lagdroid and iCrap and pull them down from those stores.
    2. Aggressive marketing of W10 mobile and its advantages over Lagdroid and iCrap.
    3. Make people aware of Project Astoria, Project Islandwood and universal apps as well as Windows Continuum.
    4. Highlight and market aggressively the traditional hallmarks of WP such as its strong performance, lack of security issues, aesthetically beautiful UI etc.
    5. MS should restrict Lumias to the high-end and let the other OEMs release WP handsets for the low- and mid-range.
    #1 is something I doubt Microsoft will do. They want more people to try out its services. Perhaps keeping some exclusivity in its own ecosystem might help.

    #2 & #4 is what I think Microsoft really needs to do. Show off it's awesome cameras, hardware, Cortana, etc.

    #3 might not be of interest to the average user, but Android/iOS developers may be tempted to use Project Astoria/Islandwood. If this holds true, more apps will make their way to Windows and benefit us all. Continuum is tempting for people that need to do some work on a bigger screen with keyboard/mouse and not depend on a seperate piece of hardware [students, anyone?]

    #5 would probably push OEMs away from Windows 10 Mobile. If they want to show off their capabilities, but Microsoft doesn't let them, they'll take refuge with Android or some other OS.

    Just my opinions. I'm likely wrong is some areas.
    08-24-2015 04:43 PM
  23. Jezza's Avatar
    It should be all about hyping the product like this:
    And this

    But at the same time they are showing off cool features and functionality.

    No, I agree, the original iPhone advertising campaign was faultless. It showed you just how simple the interface was and what the features were, but kept it engaging.

    EDIT: To give Microsoft some credit, they have only just entered the phone market after the acquisition of Nokia, so they haven't really had a flagship device to advertise as of yet, they had to leave that up to Nokia's marketing division. If they could use similar marketing to what they have done with the Windows 10 television advert, but apply that to phones, then it would be at least half way decent.
    colinkiama likes this.
    08-24-2015 04:45 PM
  24. neo158's Avatar
    Apps like Facebook and Twitter are there, but they are much worse on WP compared to Android.
    Oh not this again, what's so bad about them. The Facebook app looks like the Android app, which looks like the iOS app. So if you're still using the WP7 app purely for nostalgia purposes then it's time you upgraded from that POS. Microsoft don't have a say in the design as that is determined by Facebook. The Twitter app, just like the Facebook app, does exactly what it's intended to do so what exactly is bad about that.
    08-24-2015 04:55 PM
  25. Chris Phelps's Avatar
    OneDrive for Windows Phone will back up full resolution photos if you use WiFi.

    OneDrive for Android will back up full resolution photos using WiFi or mobile data.
    and IMO, that isn't good enough. It seems like they assume everyone is on metered plans now. I realize most are, but there should be an option.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-24-2015 06:53 PM
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