10-28-2015 09:20 AM
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  1. ShaneRay's Avatar
    I'm off this week on vacation, so I woke up this morning and rewatched the phone portion of the event. After doing that, and "sleeping" on the news, I think my feelings expressed in my other post have changed somewhat.

    Yeah, I still have concerns about phone going forward. How could I not? But, the fact is they're finally giving us new hardware-- and an OS-- that should perform well, so why not enjoy it? I'm not saying I'll be purchasing the 950 or the XL, I'm saying I'd like to. In order for me to pull the trigger, these need to happen:

    1) I need to get over the price. At $850 in Canada, the XL is not cheap.
    2) MS needs to prove that the OS is ready. I'm not convinced it will be in the short-term.
    3) I'll need to see some reviews from sources I trust that give the hardware and software, at least, a passing grade.
    4) Accessories need to be readily available. They've failed horribly at this in the past. I'm not shopping on Ebay.

    I still don't believe that Windows Phone will be around a couple years from now, but that doesn't matter. If Microsoft can give me a good experience NOW, then I guess that's all I can really ask for.
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    10-07-2015 09:42 AM
  2. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    So, a couple of things:
    I don't see how one can say the entire presentation was underwhelming if you're only being critical of one aspect of it. Now the caveat is I agree that the Lumia element was somewhat expected, and I know for me some of it was due to already knowing almost everything about the phones before hand. It was the first time we had pretty much everything leaked before the event.
    Wireless charging...... anyone who has been a WP user and fan knows advertising a phone having Qi wireless charging equates to nothing more than a tease if you're using the phone in the US because most Lumias have had it removed by the super carriers like AT&T and Verizon, so I'm not too concerned because I can get a wireless case.
    Windows 10 mobile is believed to be released later in the year so I don't know why they would go hard in the paint on displaying an unfinished OS variant when they have a lot of devices showing the polished desktop variant. I do expect to see a Lumia presentation upon the release of Windows 10 mobile that will expound on the capabilities of the OS and the phones that will be coming with it already loaded.
    If you were MSFT what audience would you be looking to target more...the mobile audience which you have a mere 3% or the desktop, laptop and tablet audience, where you have an overwhelming advantage? Does Apple target their OSX audience? Does Google target their Chromebook audience? MSFT knows where their niche is just like the other companies.
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    10-07-2015 09:45 AM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    I don't really need a demonstration of the camera, I have enough faith in the engineering team to truly nail it. If that's what they say they've done, I believe it.
    Baaaaaaaaaaa!
    pericle likes this.
    10-07-2015 09:52 AM
  4. worldspy99's Avatar
    I expected Panay to demo the Windows Hello on the new Lumias. Just to give an indication about how quickly it unlocks the phone. Now, there is no way of knowing that because the hands-on devices kept there for the press won't have Windows Hello enabled.
    Bryan Roper demoed the Windows Hello feature and he did mention that it is currently in Beta on the phones.
    10-07-2015 10:28 AM
  5. worldspy99's Avatar
    I actually think that now that the Surface Pro 4 and the SurfaceBook are out of the way Panos will get time to focus on developing the Surface phone. I do believe that the Lumia 950/XL are temporary and they intend to bring out the Surface phone next year. Keep in mind Panos got charge of the phones only recently and he did allude to that in the Keynote.
    10-07-2015 10:31 AM
  6. Citizen X's Avatar
    It was already almost 2 hours long.... Anything longer than that makes people upset, and you definitely do not want the press upset with you.
    Lol. Have you seen a White House press briefing? If you can't sit through a two and a half hour Microsoft event where Continuum and the Surface Book are introduced you need to take some ADHD pills and find another career.

    And this has already been addressed. They could have cut out all the cheesy cheerleading and eliminated most of the stupid philosophy stuff. They wasted so much time trying to be cute. Just show us the products!

    And I'm sure in a week or two when Dan has review units you'll get your answers.
    That's true. I think that's what apple did. They had a big event and wasted everyone's time and just hoped a few weeks later Dan would clean up the mess. Sounds like a very tight, well thought through strategy for success. They should be teaching this at Ivy League MBA programs. Than can call it the "Dan Method."
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    10-07-2015 11:02 AM
  7. Citizen X's Avatar
    And you assume the opposite, so where are we?
    I am not assuming. I am asking. And where we are is two guys with no information after having two hours of our lives wasted.

    As someone else stated, Panos Panay stated plainly that he wasn't going to go over everything since so many details leaked.
    That doesn't explain why he didn't cover the stuff that didn't leak. I mean by your logic he should have MORE time to go over the other features.

    You don't even both to post facts, just complaints.
    What are you talking about? FACT he didn't mention Qi charging and availability at all. Is this a reading comprehension problem or what?

    And a majority of Microsoft's revenue DOES NOT come from phones.
    I agree. And they are doing their best to keep it that way.

    Microsoft wants to encourage others to make devices. They are only filling the gap right now.
    What does that have to do with saying, "I made this and this is what it does?"

    Are we really asking for the sun, moon, and the stars when we want to actually see what a phone does at a two hour event instead of listening to stupid cheerleading?

    Most of the people that wanted to hear about the Lumias already knew everything about them. The leaks have been all over. Why retread that stuff?
    Please link to the leaks about Qi availability.

    Look you aren't helping MSFT. Just sitting there and pretending everything is okay instead of offering constructive criticism is going to keep MSFT solidly in third place in the most profitable part of the industry.
    10-07-2015 11:27 AM
  8. elindalyne's Avatar
    Please link to the leaks about Qi availability.
    Roundup: Here's everything we learned about Microsoft's new Lumia lineup | Windows Central
    10-07-2015 11:40 AM
  9. Citizen X's Avatar
    Please link to the leaks about Qi availability.
    Roundup: Here's everything we learned about Microsoft's new Lumia lineup | Windows Central
    Nothing about Qi availability in the United States... the country where the event took place and the location MSFT's global headquarters. The lack of US Qi availability was the single biggest outcry on the internet regarding their last flagship and instead of addressing that... cheerleading and minifedoras. Great.

    Hey I get it. You are new to Windows Phone and you don't know about the long term issues. Nothing wrong with that. My advice though is when those of us who have actually bought and used the products have complaints, suggestions, or questions just stay out if it.
    10-07-2015 11:47 AM
  10. elindalyne's Avatar
    Nothing about Qi availability in the United States... the country where the event took place and the location MSFT's global headquarters. The lack of US Qi availability was the single biggest outcry on the internet regarding their last flagship and instead of addressing that... cheerleading and minifedoras. Great.

    Hey I get it. You are new to Windows Phone and you don't know about the long term issues. Nothing wrong with that. My advice though is when those of us who have actually bought and used the products have complaints, suggestions, or questions just stay out if it.
    Please don't call me out. I had a 900 for years followed by my current 920. Yes, I'm well aware of the jackassery of ATT and Qi, but the fact of the matter is we know virtually nothing about the availability of these phones other than that they're coming out in November. "Woe is my sky is falling" does not help anyone.
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    10-07-2015 12:00 PM
  11. Citizen X's Avatar
    Yes, I'm well aware of the jackassery of ATT and Qi, but the fact of the matter is we know virtually nothing...
    I agree with you 100%. That is why I thought the two hour hole in my morning should have shed some light... which it did not. Waste of time. Enjoy your Fedoras and cheerleading. I hope MSFT is still in the phone game five years from now at this rate. It's going to be awfully hard to make calls on a $1,499 Surface Book when I'm walking around.
    10-07-2015 12:05 PM
  12. kokola's Avatar
    Why no one question MS decision to sell an unfinished phone?
    Assuming the phones will start selling on the 30th November, they have less than 2 months to finish the OS.
    Transporting times? Testings?...Maybe less than a month to finish it up.
    Or MS intention is to let the new user be a part of the Insider?
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    10-07-2015 12:25 PM
  13. tale 85's Avatar
    What was missing? How about what it can do as a phone? "And you can get it from the Microsoft Store, plug your SIM in it, no matter what carrier, and go. You'll have WiFi Calling, VoLTE and exceptional reception with our new antennas." Did I miss that part? Were the spec sheets available for the press?
    I can understand the time they devoted to the phone was limited. Most of the features were leaked at least a week before. Continuum had to be demonstrated. So that's the agenda. But what they forgot was the "Oh, by the way. It also does this, this and this. And has this, that, and you know its really a great as a Phone too."
    So how about a follow up talk with somebody, official, on the record. Clarity some grey areas an get this show on the road.
    10-07-2015 12:37 PM
  14. mhc48's Avatar
    The phones were very much evident at the Moynihan Station event last (Tues) night. There were a number of stations where they were out and people to show them or let you use them (that is after they unlocked them for you, since they were keyed to the eye of the person demo-ing the phone).
    10-07-2015 12:50 PM
  15. MorganRW's Avatar
    He did demo Win Hello so watch the vid again. He made it a point to call it beta and it unlocked automatically in about 3 or 4 seconds. Tough to tell when it started reading his eyes but he did demo it.
    10-07-2015 01:50 PM
  16. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    Microsoft has always been this way. They never put much time or focus into training people or even showing some of the exclusive features. Cortana and Continuum were the only features I've seen harped about.

    Let's be real though what other exclusive features does Microsoft have with WM10? Continuum and Windows Hello is really it.... None of this appeals to the masses except for businessmen. I think they've prepared to wait for Project Astoria and Islandwood to see if this is something they can offer to truly any consumer. In it's current state it's very hard to recommend.
    10-07-2015 02:17 PM
  17. o4komodo's Avatar
    1) I need to get over the price. At $850 in Canada, the XL is not cheap. -
    It's mainly because our dollar is so freaking bad. If you convert it from the american pricing of $650 it works out to be the same thing.
    Which really blows because I bought the L1520.3 for $650 CAD...

    For me my only hope to save on buying the 950XL is that Fido releases the phone where I can use my nearly $200 Fido Dollars to help pay for it---either that or renew a contract early and sell an iPhone 6s/6s+ for profit.

    But comparing to an iPhone... it's still cheaper so that's always a good thing.
    10-07-2015 02:20 PM
  18. RayWP7's Avatar
    Lets face reality here. The big thing anyone expected was the phone announcements. Most of the info we knew because it had been leaked and shared all over the nets. But, announcements did happen and they confirmed what we already knew. Of course we're underwhelmed. No surprises. They couldn't really demo to much of phone because Windows 10 Mobile isn't even finished. As it is, note how reluctant the presenter was when demoing "Windows Hello BETA." Fact is, presenting too much on unfinished software can lead to embarrassing moments at a time when Microsoft doesn't need embarrassing moments. They announced the phones, innovation on the hardware, price points, and availability. People have the opportunity to test Windows 10 Mobile and so know what is coming in that regard. This is a non-issue. Phones got the moment, perhaps not what people wanted - but sometimes people's expectations just need to be checked.
    Krystianpants likes this.
    10-07-2015 03:00 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    They had a 90 minute cut off and went over it as it is. And they needed to add that extra surface book into it which was of course the only thing not leaked and would require the most attention.

    I think we will get more info on the phones, accessories and different things as they near the actual release date.
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    10-07-2015 03:17 PM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    It's mainly because our dollar is so freaking bad. If you convert it from the american pricing of $650 it works out to be the same thing.
    Which really blows because I bought the L1520.3 for $650 CAD...

    For me my only hope to save on buying the 950XL is that Fido releases the phone where I can use my nearly $200 Fido Dollars to help pay for it---either that or renew a contract early and sell an iPhone 6s/6s+ for profit.

    But comparing to an iPhone... it's still cheaper so that's always a good thing.
    Don't forget HST! 13% tax which puts the phone at $960! The harmonized tax was developed to help businesses and hurt consumers.
    10-07-2015 03:19 PM
  21. Krystianpants's Avatar
    He did demo Win Hello so watch the vid again. He made it a point to call it beta and it unlocked automatically in about 3 or 4 seconds. Tough to tell when it started reading his eyes but he did demo it.
    Saw a french video online where it unlocked really quick for the guy. He also wore shades. So Yah because it's beta unlock time may vary and it may not even work. Hopefully they iron out all the kinks.
    10-07-2015 03:21 PM
  22. TechFreak1's Avatar
    I watched it last night and the part where he mentioned that bit wasn't garbled out.
    Hmm, must have been something on my side as it had a few times with the live stream - the first being when Terry Myerson was talking about 360 backwards compatibility and it occurred during Satya's speech too.
    10-07-2015 03:55 PM
  23. hf199's Avatar
    You are wrong it took longer than 2 seconds! And Daniel said the same with his hands on comments. And nothing should be assumed when you only have less than 3% of the market. You need to remind people. It's called MARKETING!!!! and they lost a huge opportunity or the product was not up to snuff. WM10 is taking longer than they thought and that's what killed the phone presentation. Rather than be embarrassed on stage just breeze through the info which I'm sure the carriers knew of this and are reluctant to get on the bandwagon right now until they see more or a complete OS product.
    10-07-2015 04:13 PM
  24. mhc48's Avatar
    At the Moynihan (which was pretty dark) unlocking the phone went very quickly. Certainly faster than I can type in my 4 digit code. BTW, the cameras also worked incredibly well in the very dark party like space too.
    10-07-2015 04:20 PM
  25. Thallanor's Avatar
    Is it just me or does it seem like Microsoft really doesn't care too much about its phone divison?
    I was hoping to get a lot more info and demos but I feel like all they really showed was continuum.
    This reveal was primarily a hardware reveal. Continuum is made available due to USB-C, I believe, which is why it will be unavailable on existing devices upgraded to W10M, so it makes sense that it received some limelight. It was a little bit feature-light but for a hardware reveal, they did alright, I believe.
    10-07-2015 04:40 PM
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