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  1. jdballard's Avatar
    Where was Joe Belfiore?
    I actually wondered this myself. I was very surprised not to see him.
    10-07-2015 08:24 PM
  2. hagjohn's Avatar
    Is it just me or does it seem like Microsoft really doesn't care too much about its phone divison?
    I was hoping to get a lot more info and demos but I feel like all they really showed was continuum.
    They didn't talk about the os on the other hardware, so why should they have on the phone? I think they did a fine job and I'm pretty excited about getting a new phone. I've been thinking about going back to iPhone but I'm really leaning towards 950 XL because of continuum. I was just at a hotel last weekend. I could have hooked my phone up to the tv and could have worked on it instead of bringing a tablet or laptop. Imagine how surprised your iPhone and Android friends would be.
    10-07-2015 10:10 PM
  3. hagjohn's Avatar
    So what are you going to bring to the hotel with continuum? A monitor and keyboard?
    Hotels have TV's, don't they? Just plug your continuum box into it. You would have to bring a (travel) keyboard and mouse.
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    10-07-2015 10:14 PM
  4. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Hotels have TV's, don't they? Just plug your continuum box into it. You would have to bring a (travel) keyboard and mouse.
    At that point, you may as well just pack a slim ultrabook or.......a Surface.
    Continuum is definitely interesting technology, but to me it's still a matter of a solution looking for a problem.
    10-07-2015 10:42 PM
  5. Robert Rathbun's Avatar
    I had the 950 XL and 950 in my hands in New York and I am planning to buy the 950 XL. Clearly they plan on invading spaces where people cannot afford both a high end phone and laptop with a single high end phone.

    Seeing the phone in action working as a fully functional PC was pretty damn impressive considering the market space it fills. I am invested heavily in Microsoft and I see these new devices penetrating the business market spaces with bleed over into others.

    I can see it now in lower incomes houses, Dad can I use your phone to do my homework and surf the web?
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    10-07-2015 11:05 PM
  6. Thallanor's Avatar
    I had the 950 XL and 950 in my hands in New York and I am planning to buy the 950 XL. Clearly they plan on invading spaces where people cannot afford both a high end phone and laptop with a single high end phone.
    I was considering this too, at the speech at the end of the presentation. It makes a somewhat compelling argument there, though I did have to wonder if in such countries, would the 950 even be affordable? I mean... it's not bad here. But in other regions, $550 is a lot to spend. Still though, I thought of this too. It makes me hopeful.
    10-07-2015 11:19 PM
  7. ExTrAbUtTa's Avatar
    I didn't get to read all responses so, this opinion may have been voiced...

    As a whole, this event was more than good, it was literally the best press event MS has held in a VERY long time. If you look at this event as a whole, the confidence in what they were selling and the devices, no doubt you would (or at least should) agree it was better than anything previously. As for the phone section, yes it was light on details, but was mainly aimed at the biggest differentiator for the Windows phone devices. That being Continuum.

    Lets be completely honest with ourselves, we ALL know where MS stands in the grand scheme of things with their phone efforts. Its NOT looking good. Well, its physically looking good, but from a business perspective and market share, its bad. MS is using the phones so they always have a "complete" in house solution for...... Businesses. This is their focus. Even the Surface Book is squarely aimed at professionals with the "fans", us benefitting from their efforts and being excited about the hardware. Microsoft's current position is much more focused for the long play. Get your services into the hands of everyone, make all eyes see them, make them accessible across the board. Wisely, MS is back to what got them into a dominant position in their early years.... software. Because honestly the hardware is nothing without it.

    So, for the new Lumia phones, MS showing off Continuum wasn't necessarily for you and me (and I mean a majority of the US market), but emerging markets. A large majority of people have high-end phones, with equally high-end computers. The idea of Continuum isn't necessarily something, a big part of this community would be using. We all have a lot of different computers or even Surfaces next to our phones. Some businesses now could very well use this feature, when rolling out a mass of devices to their employees. The less means, less management, cost and upkeep. For emerging markets, areas where things like money or the ability to have multiple devices, isn't really an option. A phone with the ability to dock and become more productive is an intriguing idea. One that I think if properly marketed and targeted would work very well.

    Our own love of Windows phone, we want Microsoft to drop the hammer and produce amazing pieces of hardware. We want all the bells and whistles. We want something that's beyond or on par, in all aspects to phones like the iPhone 6S or Galaxy lineup. That's all very good, but look closer and see where they did do exactly this... the Surface line. That's where the money is coming, that needs to take off and keep going. The Surface Book and Surface Pro 4, the Band 2... I mean these all are extremely high quality with some, if not the best features. This is where Microsoft is focused, but they do have a focus on their phone efforts. Its just now more focused to areas where they can expand and work alongside their current premium devices. When this foundation is laid and becomes viable, THEN we will see things like maybe a Surface phone of a Lumina 1020 successor.
    10-08-2015 01:33 AM
  8. Omar9399's Avatar
    Don't forget the Lumia 550

    Panay "this is Lumia 550"
    Now move on to surface.

    Seriously Microsoft?

    Apple can talk about **** for hours Did they rented the place for an hour??
    10-08-2015 02:13 AM
  9. houkoholic's Avatar
    Oh come on don't be a hypocrite - people were whinging so loudly when MS were making and announcing budget phones, now that Panos don't bother talking about another budget phone you complain? It's a freaking entry level 5 series Lumia that won't be turning heads for those wanting flagships nor generate ANY press interest, why bother?
    10-08-2015 02:31 AM
  10. Omar9399's Avatar
    Oh come on don't be a hypocrite - people were whinging so loudly when MS were making and announcing budget phones, now that Panos don't bother talking about another budget phone you complain? It's a freaking entry level 5 series Lumia that won't be turning heads for those wanting flagships nor generate ANY press interest, why bother?
    How about a camera demo/atleast one detail about each spec for 950/950xl?
    10-08-2015 02:42 AM
  11. houkoholic's Avatar
    How about a camera demo/atleast one detail about each spec for 950/950xl?
    What did they not talk about? They demoed Continuum and Windows Hello, he talked about liquid cooling, dual smart antenna, he talked about 4K video recording. He talked about 5th generation OIS and triple RGB LED flash, OLED screen, Glance support. They mentioned all the check box spec items but spent the most time on the stuff that they innovated in (liquid cooling, Continuum, dual antenna, Windows Hello) but leave all the "me too" stuff that competitors in Android already has out. I don't think that is a problem at all, in fact that's the smart thing to do.

    If you look over the entire event, even Pano's baby products like Surface do not go into technical details - he basically skipped all the detail specs that are just evolutionary, and when it is stuff that MS actually innovated in he drops some numbers and then quickly go into "what this means to you" mode. This was true for the 950/XL as well. Also a camera demo on stage is completely pointless, especially since everyone there gets to test it themselves afterwards!
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    10-08-2015 02:50 AM
  12. MishuRO's Avatar
    If you browse a tech website prior to the MSFT devices event, 4 out of 5 articles would have been the umptieth recap of Lumia 950 and 950XL leaks. Hell, this website lived out of that leak for months, presenting it over and over and over and OVER again. WTF did you expect MSFT to do on stage? Say the same stuff AGAIN pretending is new?
    If you watched the presentation and feel anyway but PUMPED, then I have two questions for you: what were you smoking at the time? and Are you willing to share? :-)
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    10-08-2015 03:16 AM
  13. savagelizards's Avatar
    Wireless charging does nothing to make my Icon better.

    It works okay, but I have to use it constantly because the battery is too small. If they had scrapped the wireless charging, they could have sized the battery so it might last a full day between charges. I would rather have a phone that holds a charge so I can do what I want than have a phone that dies whenever I am away from the office and my wireless charger.

    On that end, show me a phone with a 3340 mAh battery like the 950XL and I don't need to hear about wireless charging.

    But Continuum is clearly a killer feature. And that liquid cooling - tell me more. And please... tell me when I can buy one of these phones and use it on Verizon!
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    10-08-2015 06:04 AM
  14. sinisfree's Avatar
    They dont show any exicting and usefull universal apps. They fail.
    10-08-2015 06:11 AM
  15. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Wireless charging does nothing to make my Icon better.

    It works okay, but I have to use it constantly because the battery is too small. If they had scrapped the wireless charging, they could have sized the battery so it might last a full day between charges. I would rather have a phone that holds a charge so I can do what I want than have a phone that dies whenever I am away from the office and my wireless charger.

    On that end, show me a phone with a 3340 mAh battery like the 950XL and I don't need to hear about wireless charging.

    But Continuum is clearly a killer feature. And that liquid cooling - tell me more. And please... tell me when I can buy one of these phones and use it on Verizon!
    Wireless charging adds, in a practical sense, nothing to the size of the phone. It is a flat coil, maybe 1-2 mm thick and only a couple cm^2.

    Lumia 920. Qi. Fat.
    Lumia 925. Qi-pins. Skinny. But users shoehorned the coil in with no problems.
    Lumia 928. Qi. Specced out like 920, but thinner, lighter.
    IIRC, Lumia 1020, Qi-pins, users shoehorned the coil in again.
    Lumia 1520, world. Qi. Big battery.
    Lumia AT&T. No Qi, pins for their alternate, same battery.

    Piles of Android phones with removable backs. Sold with basic covers, add NFC/Qi later if desired.

    The 929/930 is just a not very well designed phone with a too small battery. I recall reading somewhere that the screen was an older generation and power hungry, which really doesn't help
    10-08-2015 06:50 AM
  16. trivishal's Avatar
    Lack of all new variety of universal apps for windows 10 mobile is the thing that made me think that the part of the Microsoft event was underwhelming, and too much less time given to Lumia 950/950XL presentation , except the announcement of universal apps from Facebook, Facebook, Messenger and Instagram apps
    10-08-2015 07:09 AM
  17. cxily's Avatar
    Hmm, I thought the event was great! Aside from no real surprises.
    10-08-2015 08:06 AM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    If you browse a tech website prior to the MSFT devices event, 4 out of 5 articles would have been the umptieth recap of Lumia 950 and 950XL leaks. Hell, this website lived out of that leak for months, presenting it over and over and over and OVER again. WTF did you expect MSFT to do on stage? Say the same stuff AGAIN pretending is new?
    If you watched the presentation and feel anyway but PUMPED, then I have two questions for you: what were you smoking at the time? and Are you willing to share? :-)
    Also Panay even made a "joke" about all of the leaks. I just wanted to know how much and when can I have it, really. LOL.
    10-08-2015 08:09 AM
  19. Jason Ward's Avatar
    One thing to remember is that with the amount of devices that were being announced from references to Xbox gaming, Band, Hololens, Surface and phone the underlying current to the event was differentiation. How Microsoft's products differ from the competition.
    High end specs in phones a pretty much parallel across the board.

    If MS had spent too much time in stage talking about me too specs like high speed charging which Samsung also has, or great camera specs which both Apple and Samsung can boast about, the audiences attention would have been drawn into a mental comparison battle, the press in attendance who were positioned to bring the message MS was delivering to the masses could have had the main message of differentiation muddied by camera specs, speed and other "consumer unfriendly" numbers.
    What MS wanted the world to take away from the event is that these phones are different and we can be productive like a boss with Lumias. Bryan and Continuum are seared in all of our minds!
    And Continuum without a Universal platform is not something easily copied by rivals. An iris scanner, a high end camera and such are easily leapfrogged.
    Finally if you notice the extensive coverage here at WC and around the web, comparisons and diving into other aspects of the phones is simply a natural outflow of the industry. MS time on stage was better spent focusing on the Lumias differentiation!
    Last edited by Jason Ward; 10-09-2015 at 12:50 AM.
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    10-08-2015 08:26 AM
  20. Spicymikey's Avatar
    I think they care but I sense the whole W10M end of this is in flux and still not done. No alliances except AT&T in the USA, and, I don't think the software is ready eventhough the hardware is done. The idea of releasing these phones in a few weeks seems unlikely. In fact, I worry they will even miss the holidays completely.
    10-08-2015 08:39 AM
  21. Citizen X's Avatar
    What did they not talk about?
    Read the thread.

    No mention of availability of Qi in the US. They should have at least addressed the biggest complaints people had about the 1520. They f'ed up the 1520 launch in the US and then went two years without a replacement. The lack of built in Qi, the slashing of the memory and the lack of Verizon compatibility set this forum on fire two years ago.

    They only had 90 minutes! they went past that time too!
    Strange how apple can have the CEO speak about a phone for 80 minutes. But I guess that is why they are number one in the phone market. B-b-b-b-ut they only had 90 minutes!

    Look guys they could have had a more robust presentation of the phones if they wanted to. It has been done before. And honestly they didn't need to give an 80 minute phone presentation. As I've said over and over again they could have cut out the fluff and just presented the products. The products look great. There is no need for some cheesy used car salesman cheerleading.

    Let me show you guys how it is done...


    When you show the video of the kids using MSFT Hello after the video ends and you do your spiel on Hello finish up by saying, by the way that entire video was shot using the 950. Boom. Done. That doesn't take 90 minutes fellas. A lot more powerful than just muttering it shoots 4k video.

    No one is saying the products aren't good. No one is saying the Surface Book reveal wasn't good. There is just a narrow criticism about aspects of the phone presentation. Constructive criticism is good. A company has to always be striving to do better. No presentation is perfect. I can understand some people who felt the presentation was good. It is a subjective thing. But the people who are shouting down every single criticism need to get a grip. I've never seen nor presented a perfect presentation in my life. There is ALWAYS something that can be improved. There is no harm in saying, yeah you have a point about that aspect of the presentation but I thought overall it was good. People trying to claim it was perfect aren't helping MSFT nor Windows Phone adoption.
    10-08-2015 09:05 AM
  22. janecosham's Avatar
    I disagree with the comment that they should have just presented the phones without the "fluff". A list of features is easy to publish (and has been all over this site and others already anyway) but to be successful Microsoft needs more marketing and "wow". In this presentation that was all about the Surface Book which was right since that was about the only thing that hadn't already leaked.
    10-08-2015 09:54 AM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    [INFO]Many posts up until this point were previously part of another thread:

    Title: Really underwhelmed with the event
    Forum: Microsoft Lumia 950 XL

    Despite that thread being in the Lumia 950 XL forum, it was never particularly focused on the 950 XL, but rather a discussion of the event in general. As such it didn't make sense to keep these two threads seperated, as they are discussing the same topic.

    The earlier thread (this one) assimilated the contents of the later one.[/INFO]
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    10-08-2015 09:54 AM
  24. Citizen X's Avatar
    I disagree with the comment that they should have just presented the phones without the "fluff". A list of features is easy to publish (and has been all over this site and others already anyway) but to be successful Microsoft needs more marketing and "wow".
    Read the thread. A list is exactly what MSFT did. Multiple people have posted multiple times that they wanted MSFT to show photos and videos from the camera. Not just mumble it shoots 4k.
    10-08-2015 10:02 AM
  25. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Read the thread.

    No mention of availability of Qi in the US. They should have at least addressed the biggest complaints people had about the 1520. They f'ed up the 1520 launch in the US and then went two years without a replacement. The lack of built in Qi, the slashing of the memory and the lack of Verizon compatibility set this forum on fire two years ago.



    Strange how apple can have the CEO speak about a phone for 80 minutes. But I guess that is why they are number one in the phone market. B-b-b-b-ut they only had 90 minutes!

    Look guys they could have had a more robust presentation of the phones if they wanted to. It has been done before. And honestly they didn't need to give an 80 minute phone presentation. As I've said over and over again they could have cut out the fluff and just presented the products. The products look great. There is no need for some cheesy used car salesman cheerleading.

    Let me show you guys how it is done...


    When you show the video of the kids using MSFT Hello after the video ends and you do your spiel on Hello finish up by saying, by the way that entire video was shot using the 950. Boom. Done. That doesn't take 90 minutes fellas. A lot more powerful than just muttering it shoots 4k video.

    No one is saying the products aren't good. No one is saying the Surface Book reveal wasn't good. There is just a narrow criticism about aspects of the phone presentation. Constructive criticism is good. A company has to always be striving to do better. No presentation is perfect. I can understand some people who felt the presentation was good. It is a subjective thing. But the people who are shouting down every single criticism need to get a grip. I've never seen nor presented a perfect presentation in my life. There is ALWAYS something that can be improved. There is no harm in saying, yeah you have a point about that aspect of the presentation but I thought overall it was good. People trying to claim it was perfect aren't helping MSFT nor Windows Phone adoption.
    I understand your concern but this was about devices. And yes no presentation is perfect. Sure they could have said this video was filmed with the lumia 950xl etc.. But if you have seen their previous events this is a huge step up and they are likely going to get better. They will likely have another event in December for the Windows 10 mobile and Desktop TH2 launch. This is where they will be showing off the OS and on their flagship devices.

    This is where I would like them to showcase any PAY service, Iris additional uses for apps as well as pay, interactive tiles, any upcoming apps and services. Discuss the update process as well. So we will see what happens.
    10-08-2015 10:10 AM
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