10-19-2015 01:16 PM
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  1. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    AND allow people to sideload them if the developers do not "officially" put them on the Store.
    No. If people are able to sideload them even more companies won't bother to put them in the store. Why bother when they want to see Windows Phone fail and people can get their apps anyhow?
    Laura Knotek and libra89 like this.
    10-18-2015 12:17 AM
  2. elindalyne's Avatar
    Sideloading isn't really key... Just the fact that iOS/Android devs get access to not only the W10 Mobile marketshare, but also the W10 desktop and XBox market share with little work should make it a no brainer in terms of getting new apps in.
    metalb00 likes this.
    10-18-2015 12:29 AM
  3. muvig's Avatar
    PC sales are at their lowest but worse even w10 is here too late. The future is the PC in the cloud. And it doesn't matter then whether it's logging in via a surface or an iPad.


    As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.
    Well, surrendering or rather putting everything in someone's hands! If you are switched off you loose everything! Or if there is no internet, no access to your data, as for me I would rather have that pc as long as it takes until the day they stopped manufacturing them, cloud is good as long as you are in good books with the provider and have money.
    A gudget which less depend on internet is good for me,
    Ms is forcing itself on US market or I would put it this way, Ms is forcing itself on someone who has been hardwired to see an iphone as the only best phone you ought to have. Most of these guys don't make assessment for themselves but follow the crowd like sheep to the slaughter.
    10-18-2015 12:31 AM
  4. msnawe's Avatar
    Sideloading android apps is something bb10 have had for 2 years.

    it helps the user, many apps work well but it surrenders the users to google. Developer won't bother porting apps to windows store if they don't see the need to. Currently few see the need to.

    universal apps is mostly useful for developers who are already targeting the desktop and would like to have the same app on mobile. It might work. But if they want it on Windows phone, they will want it on iPhone and Android.

    So they may just choose another route. Especially if they can sideload.

    I don't see how w10 isn't going the same route as bb10,



    As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.
    10-18-2015 01:38 AM
  5. CygnusOrion's Avatar
    Windows 10 Mobile wins if they get Android and IoS apps working, AND allow people to sideload them if the developers do not "officially" put them on the Store.

    I don't think people realize how huge that is.

    A mobile operating system that can run UWP apps, IOS apps, and Android apps.

    Once people become aware of that, we win.

    Google and Apple will never do this. Apple especially.
    The average person will not sideload iOS apps. This is a power-user feature only. This does not help the platform at all. What helps is iOS developers porting their apps over to Windows 10 universal apps.
    Laura Knotek and libra89 like this.
    10-18-2015 02:05 AM
  6. Smokin44's Avatar
    PC sales are at their lowest but worse even w10 is here too late. The future is the PC in the cloud. And it doesn't matter then whether it's logging in via a surface or an iPad.
    No doubt MSFT has been late to the party, and given many little reason to 'upgrade' pc's (more accurately pc software).

    If the future is the cloud, MSFT is as well placed as any. But the future is more about how you will interact with your devices/work flow - sure, its in the cloud, but that isnt the answer. You are not doing serious work on an Ipad or Android.
    neo158 likes this.
    10-18-2015 03:11 AM
  7. msnawe's Avatar
    I have a windows 8.1 tablet and I am not doing serious work with it.

    I have a bb10 z30 and I sometimes do serious work with it ;-)

    Well to be honest, nothing will beat a laptop or a MacBook in terms of ergonomics


    As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.
    10-18-2015 05:10 AM
  8. gadgetebz's Avatar
    I think Blackberry should produce Android Phones to gain market share and they should also produce WM10 phones and bundle with continiuum docks for their enterprise customers...
    10-18-2015 05:43 AM
  9. paul simong's Avatar
    waiting for the next move of microsoft on this.
    10-18-2015 07:12 AM
  10. Ten Four's Avatar
    BB may have its strengths and its loyal fans, but it is even more irrelevant than Windows phone in the enterprise market today. I can't remember the last time I saw a BB handset, even in a business setting. I view stats all the time that indicate what OS is being used by professionals and BB barely registers--it is probably much less with the general public. IOS dominates among business/professionals, and Android is a far distant second. If Microsoft is to make inroads in the business/professional phone market they have to appeal to iOS users and/or provide software that will work on iOS, which appears to be what their strategy is. Android may be for the masses, but in the enterprise it is iOS, and that is also where all the profits are in phones.
    10-18-2015 08:59 AM
  11. Edmund Burke's Avatar
    I live out in the sticks in the UK. When I go to our local small town/large village your see lots of people with windows phones, especially young people. (I think the bright colours might even be a very positive selling point.) When I go back to London and visit friends they *all* have iPhones. Rich city job types, with a very blinkered view; they all "know" everything else is inferior, (much like a lot of the media seem to think) and think anything that is not glass and metal is ugly. May be they are right, but what proportion of the worlds population can really afford Apple devices? Continuum may be expensive now, but it will improve and ultimately offer lots of people inexpensive access to a more complete computing experience. They will have a TV + new windows phone and keyboard and mouse and job done. May not be ideal but better than the fortune you would need to spend on apple devices to get the same experience.
    I look forward to the time when my phone is the only device I need (+stupid TV and keyboard). Unfortunately, in addition to fully functioning office I occasionally still need heaving lifting Intel processors... for now.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-18-2015 09:56 AM
  12. oufc_gav's Avatar
    Seriously...Blackberry OS 10 is awful. As someone that managed 900 Blackberry OS5-7 devices for a business, then moved them to BB10 I can wholeheartedly say that there was none of our userbase liked OS10, calls to the Service Desk rose 35%, and base data use went up by over 75%. Blackberry OS is dead as a dodo. Blackberry are becoming just another MDM solution provider (using a platform they bought that wasn't even in the top 5 at the time. Releasing an Android device is just the death rattle of their hardware division (sales of the Passport are believed to be barely into 6 figures).
    All the talented people at Blackberry have long since gone. They bought out the UI company 'The Astonishing Tribe' who had some amazing ideas, did basically nothing with them so they all left.

    I'm not saying Microsoft is in any way perfect, but suggesting anything linked to the toxic recent Blackberry model is crazy.
    Gagan997 and TechAbstract like this.
    10-18-2015 10:44 AM
  13. msnawe's Avatar
    Well in my office we are about a dozen on bb10 and then a vast majority have android, then 2nd is Android. I think there may be one or two Windows phone and just about as much old style Nokias.

    Most of my colleagues are impressed how good is bb10 for the office. They keep wondering why blackberry didn't advertise more.

    Most of the type when they complain about something they are trying to do I their phone and, I show them how easy it is on w10.

    They are surprised and acknowledge it, then they keep saying "sure but BlackBerry won't be here next year so I can't have bb10 even it's better". That's the main blocking point for them.

    The ones who have Windows phone just tell me: I just want a phone for calls and Facebook, it's cheap and does the job. I don't need something fancy like bb10 or iOS, too expensive.

    So much for Microsoft taking over the office, not the techies at least.

    I think hoping developers are going to convert their android apps is just very optimistic. Most won't bother, it takes time already to test them on Android, they don't have extra time to invest. Microsoft will have to pay them to do it.



    As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.
    elindalyne likes this.
    10-18-2015 10:47 AM
  14. elindalyne's Avatar
    It's a completely moot point anyways.. If BB doesn't sell at least 5 million privs, BB is more than likely going to stop making phones altogether.
    10-18-2015 11:28 AM
  15. baklawa's Avatar
    ...Microsoft should have bought blackberry. But now it's still a great opportunity to do so. There can combine their strength...
    Two turkeys don't make an eagle...

    Both MS and BB were focused on the enterprise maket, then came Apple and Google targetting the "end-user entertainment" market.

    Now we all know how to get the biggest market shares: forget about the enterprise market otherwise you cannot reach more than 15%
    10-18-2015 12:29 PM
  16. msnawe's Avatar
    True. enterprise is not enough, with BYOD employees want to choose their device and it's usually iPhone or Samsung Galaxy

    As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.
    10-18-2015 01:58 PM
  17. Radu Ionita's Avatar
    It seems like you don't get it. To compare BB with W10 is simply pathetic.
    10-18-2015 04:37 PM
  18. kangeles's Avatar
    More acquisitions will not help Microsoft in the mobile space. And most certainly not Blackberry. It would be good to support the business focused segment of the market, sure, but not much else. Microsoft is doing the right thing focusing on every other part of the ecosystem to help drive business into mobile. Either that, or they need to hire Taylor Swift, Adam Levine, and Justin Bieber or whatever "cool" people follow these days and get them to use and endorse their products. If there is a king of hipsters, then that person. Growing the mobile business any otherway just isn't going to help quickly enough. This is going to have to be a long game.
    10-18-2015 05:01 PM
  19. TechAbstract's Avatar
    Microsoft focus right now is Windows 10 OS as a service for all Windows 10 devices. Why do they need to buy another OS for? It makes no sense to me.
    10-18-2015 06:40 PM
  20. fdruid's Avatar
    Make a company, then make the decisions while running it, everything else is just hot air.
    10-18-2015 07:31 PM
  21. colinkiama's Avatar
    After many struggling to gain market share from Android, Microsoft is now changing strategy, going cross platform and targeting enterprise. Basically following the path of blackberry.

    Somehow we can see Microsoft has:
    + some nice things in Windows phone like universal apps, good camera, easy to use tiles.
    + good office suite.
    + good ecosystem except for apps.
    - pretty much everything else is on par or inferior to blackberry 10.

    Blackberry has:
    + great bb10. With best hub, best virtual keyboard, great UI, better OS.
    + good enterprise services
    + great IoT platform.
    + great security.
    - no ecosystem
    - inferior camera.
    - inferior maps.

    So rather than relying on Nokia, Microsoft should have bought blackberry. But now it's still a great opportunity to do so. There can combine their strength by:
    + ditch windows OS and adopt bb10 as the new windows phone in their ecosystem.
    + bring in universal apps on bb10
    + bring active tiles
    + bring here maps and good camera.
    + bring native office suite.
    + integrate blackberry enterprise services in MS ecosystem.

    => they will become the leader in enterprise and IoT.
    => they will then have leverage to increase market share in mobile.

    It's not too late for Microsoft to be relevant at last.

    As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.
    I don't get what you are trying to say, Microsoft can update and improve their OS over time. Why would they purchase blackberry to gain features that they can implement themselves?
    Laura Knotek, metalb00 and neo158 like this.
    10-18-2015 07:40 PM
  22. BrianLeeRussell's Avatar
    This thread should just be deleted. It's just stupid.
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    10-18-2015 10:29 PM
  23. Mike Bourbon's Avatar
    People keep saying the future is the cloud, but I feel as more and more people realize the cloud is just someone else's computer they will start to walk it back. I think using the cloud is like saying "Why have a car when I can take the bus?" which is fine for some people but not for most of us apparently.....
    metalb00 likes this.
    10-18-2015 11:28 PM
  24. Eolirin's Avatar
    People keep saying the future is the cloud, but I feel as more and more people realize the cloud is just someone else's computer they will start to walk it back. I think using the cloud is like saying "Why have a car when I can take the bus?" which is fine for some people but not for most of us apparently.....
    "The cloud" isn't about replacing native applications with server hosted ones, though some portions of the computation are definitely being offloaded that way, it's about extending them. Cloud is a necessary synchronization layer for so many things. You want favorite synchronization between phone and tablet and PC web browsers? You need a cloud service for that. You want message and notification syncing? Cloud. Settings backup? Cloud. Application state synchronization so that the document you were just working on is updated on your desktop and is kept in sync with your colleagues? Cloud. Collaboration services with other people like real time document editing and video chat? Cloud. Stable, scalable, low latency multiplayer gaming? Cloud. Automatic updates? Cloud. And that's before you get into any sort of super resource intensive computing that is only possible on cloud data clusters, like good voice recognition, image recognition, and natural language processing, or data analytics over massive data sets (and other stuff we haven't invented yet).

    What you give up even with what would normally be considered offline applications in order to not at all be on 'someone else's computer' is massive. Cripplingly so.
    libra89 likes this.
    10-19-2015 12:38 AM
  25. poken1151's Avatar
    To the OP, statements like, "+ great bb10. With best hub, best virtual keyboard, great UI, better OS." really don't lend to the arguments of this post... Don't get me wrong, not saying you can't have an opinion. But at that statement it turns almost into a flame war as opposed to what many (I'm assuming) are thinking your post is gonna be about and throws most any and every other critique out the window.

    I can also ignore the post entirely, personally, but I think you have some points and thought I'd toss my input out there, as you have here.
    10-19-2015 12:42 AM
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