12-11-2015 12:41 PM
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  1. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Free loaders? MS offered it and people took the offer. In fact, it gave such a good offer it made people move over from other services. So now you have all these people moved over and you press the red button and try to get them to get an office subscription. You buy a phone it's part of what you are getting. I don't think me buying a 500$ phone was free loading. I have purchased many apps too. And again I only used a few hundred megs but it still irks me that they did this as it does not tie in with getting more mobile customers.

    Guess they should change the lumia 950xl store page as it still says:

    [5] Get 15GB OneDrive storage when you sign-up with a new Microsoft account; get an additional 15GB free the first time you activate camera upload from your Lumia phone using the same Microsoft account. Limit: one 15GB OneDrive sign-up redemption and one 15GB camera upload redemption per Microsoft account. Internet and mobile fees apply.
    This does tend to enhance the idea that Microsoft is only continuing in the Smartphone business half heartedly if they continue to do odd things like this.

    I often wonder if Microsoft are secretly hoping their smartphone share will dwindle enough in the next two years to a point where they can retire from mobile phones 'quietly'.
    11-04-2015 01:33 PM
  2. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Here's my .2c. This decision does not affect me as I am an Office365 sub and 1TB is more than enough for anything I use the cloud for. In fact, I primarily use DropBox for temporary file sharing among co-workers and peers, and with them I only have 2GB and it's still more than enough. I also have my own 32TB NAS which I run my own cloud drive off of for backups, so... yeah.

    How I perceive their actions: MS should not have offered unlimited cloud storage to begin with, it was foolish. Anybody should have been able to see this coming a mile away. It was probably costing them a fortune. They also should not have dropped the free plan all the way down to 5GB. Speaking as an iPhone/iPad user, the free 5GB iCloud package is juuuuust not enough to be able to use to back up my devices, and that is SUPREMELY annoying. Because it's 5 free GB that are essentially useless as far as I'm concerned.

    How they should have done it IMO:
    1. They should have dropped the unlimited... I think everyone would have understood that it was a ridiculous notion and forgiven them for dropping it.
    2. They should have set up a tier specifically for people who buy Windows phones with enough storage for them to back-up said phones entirely to the cloud... so a 32GB plan, basically. Free, as a thank you for buying their hardware.
    3. The 1TB for Office 365 is fantastic, and I wouldn't change that at all. Especially since you generally get free 1-year 365 subs with Win10 devices.
    4. Lastly, for the scrubs, 15GB free in order to beat everyone else's free offerings fairly soundly.
    11-04-2015 01:41 PM
  3. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Why bother? They are independent company and they can do what ever they want to. Customers choose do they like or not companys products and services. If you don't like choose another product.
    Capitalism is a wonderful thing that wipes incompetent companies away over the time.
    So simple is that.
    They are not an independent company. While mentioning it, if you own a 401K, MF's, or IRA with holdings in the tech sector chances are you own shares of Microsoft. So, if you're going to complain on twitter or email don't forget to add "as a shareholder of the Microsoft Corporation...." You never know. Money talks.

    In addition to twitter and the User Voice forums, you can:

    Microsoft
    attn OneDrive Team
    One Microsoft Way
    Redmond, WA 98052-6399
    HeyCori and aXross like this.
    11-04-2015 03:14 PM
  4. ajj3085's Avatar
    Very few ordinary people use Office 365 at home unless they got it for free. It's total overkill for what 99% of consumers need or want at home. Why pay when free office suites do everything needed by this 99%?
    Because Google Apps sucks, and OpenOffice doesn't have a lot of users, so if you're stuck you probably don't have anyone you know that can help you. Free isn't always better.
    jlzimmerman and xandros9 like this.
    11-04-2015 05:12 PM
  5. ajj3085's Avatar
    The other problem is that even when you do pay, Microsoft has an annoying habit of overlooking small details that are annoying. One example being no tab functionality in Online Word which even Google Docs has! I thought the idea was to have a fully functioning version of word online, I don't want to have do download software to be able to get full functionality. I understand for advanced features but not for basic stuff.
    You'll never get full functionality from browser apps, they are doomed to forever suck. Rich client apps, be they desktop or mobile, have a huge advantage in that the environment they operate in is designed to run applications. A browser with JavaScript was never really meant to be for applications, it was just supposed to be html document rendering, and when you're building a browser app you're always fighting that. It ends up being like java, write once test everywhere. At least with store apps you just have three environments to test.
    11-04-2015 05:21 PM
  6. ajj3085's Avatar
    The unlimited photo backup resolution for Google Drive is set at 16 megapixels. Only anything above 16 megapixels will count towards your normal quota. 16 megapixels is ample for most smartphone users.
    The 950xl has a 20mp camera. 16mp won't be good enough for long. Why wouldn't i want my pictures as high quality as i can? part of the reason i got the 920 was its picture quality.
    11-04-2015 05:25 PM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Because Google Apps sucks, and OpenOffice doesn't have a lot of users, so if you're stuck you probably don't have anyone you know that can help you. Free isn't always better.
    Google Apps or LibreOffice might be good enough for a home user. How often does anyone use Office outside of work or school?
    xandros9 and HeyCori like this.
    11-04-2015 05:46 PM
  8. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    $2/month is practically nothing. Should they have kept the camera roll bonus? Probably.
    Or kept the cam roll bonus for MS phones...
    sleeve22 and HeyCori like this.
    11-04-2015 06:04 PM
  9. ajj3085's Avatar
    Google Apps or LibreOffice might be good enough for a home user. How often does anyone use Office outside of work or school?
    LibreOffice would have the same issue as OpenOffice. Google apps works until you hit backspace while not in a textbox and the browser navigates away, losing your changes.

    I use Word when I need to type letters, admittedly rare, or to work on my resume. Excel I use more commonly for simple financial calculations. Outlook I use daily, but I'm not a standard user as I have an Exchange server, but I always prefer an application for email over webmail even if I didn't have one. At any rate Office personal subscription is less per month than Netflix, and that also gets you 1TB OneDrive, not a bad deal, even if its not free.
    11-04-2015 06:42 PM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    LibreOffice would have the same issue as OpenOffice. Google apps works until you hit backspace while not in a textbox and the browser navigates away, losing your changes.

    I use Word when I need to type letters, admittedly rare, or to work on my resume. Excel I use more commonly for simple financial calculations. Outlook I use daily, but I'm not a standard user as I have an Exchange server, but I always prefer an application for email over webmail even if I didn't have one. At any rate Office personal subscription is less per month than Netflix, and that also gets you 1TB OneDrive, not a bad deal, even if its not free.
    I'd guess that most people who don't have Exchange servers would use Office (Microsoft or something else) far less than you. The only reason I subscribe to Office 365 is for OneDrive. For the rare times I use any other Office programs, Google Apps or LibreOffice would suffice. I do use LibreOffice on my Linux boxes.
    ajj3085 likes this.
    11-04-2015 06:52 PM
  11. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    I'm just wondering what's stopping people from getting say... a NAS and allow Remote Access to it via an app or Web UI. You might say it's less secure to own an NAS then go and use an online storage service but really... who are you kidding with that statement?
    11-04-2015 09:20 PM
  12. realwarder's Avatar
    In general, Google has the best free plan. Microsoft has the best paid plan.

    Google 1 TB: $9.99
    Office 365 (1 TB and Office apps): $6.99
    Something to consider is that all we know is this month that is the case. Last month Microsoft had the best 'free' plan. Just saying it takes a lot of effort to bounce around plans and no one knows what next week/month/year will hold.

    In general they will all remain competitive because the market will demand that, so you are better looking at features and convenience rather than the price at one point.

    I believe OneDrive is the most platform agnostic service and is the most integrated into the OS's I use. For that reason alone I'm happy to stick with Microsoft.
    11-04-2015 09:44 PM
  13. sheldon cohn's Avatar
    With the announcement of Onedrive getting cut to 5 GB at the time Microsoft isn't doing to well
    with their mobile phone compared to Apple and Android, running a far 3rd, seems this wasn't the
    time to make such announcement. Rather disappointing the current owners of Microsoft
    products it should be more working harder on get the product more desirable. With Window
    phones unable to have functional apps that both Apple and Android, I almost feel that I have
    Window phone users need to have 2 phones (one Windows and the other Android or Apple).
    Windows 10 still has it's bugs, that's why the Windows team if working on more builds. I
    worked at a college for years, the IT team needs to make sure all the educational software will
    run smoothly under the new OS, or it will continue to use Windows 7, there are Professors
    that are not tech savvy so they maybe the reason Windows 7 is still used.
    11-05-2015 09:03 AM
  14. Ten Four's Avatar
    Google Apps or LibreOffice might be good enough for a home user. How often does anyone use Office outside of work or school?
    In addition to my day job, where I use Office constantly, I am a professional writer/editor and I far prefer Libre Office. Recent versions of Word are just terrible and nobody needs most of the functionality available, if you can figure out how to use it. The rest of Office is almost never used by ordinary consumers at home. Most people use browser-based email too, as I have been since Gmail began. I switched to Outlook.com a few years ago. I vastly prefer Gmail and Outlook.com to regular Outlook, which has also regressed in ease of use and functionality in recent versions. One reason that business people hate email is that Outlook is so unpleasant to use. In any case, the point is that most ordinary consumers have no need or want for Office, outside of getting the storage so why not go with Google and get 15gb, free photo storage (at a good enough quality for most people), lots of free music storage, and other free stuff that Google offers?
    11-05-2015 09:04 AM
  15. 7a2eer's Avatar
    I am not afraid of pointing out Microsoft's faults.
    That said I could care less about unlimited storage.

    Certainly Microsoft has facilities for companies that need more than 1TB of storage. If you need more than 1TB for personal storage you are doing something terribly wrong, possibly illegal.
    11-05-2015 10:28 AM
  16. 7a2eer's Avatar
    The 950xl has a 20mp camera. 16mp won't be good enough for long. Why wouldn't i want my pictures as high quality as i can? part of the reason i got the 920 was its picture quality.
    As if the 950XL can resolve those 20MP. Up until fairly recently 16.4MP DSLR cameras were the norm. 16 MP Limit is better than JPEG compression
    11-05-2015 10:31 AM
  17. ScubaDog's Avatar
    Then I guess I'm not the norm. I LOVE Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8, I HATE Windows 10 and 10 Mobile, and we already have over 500GB of photos, music and personal files stored on ONEDRIVE--because Microsoft said it was the one place for everything in our lives. This was clearly a lie. And it's not HOARDING. The IDEA is to be able to access ALL our content from WHEREVER using WHATEVER device. Well, that's no longer true. At the rate we accumulate photos and music we will need well over 1TB by the end of next year. But we will have to choose which items to store on our ONEDRIVE-synced folders and which not to because Microsoft pulled the old bait-and-switch.
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    11-05-2015 02:35 PM
  18. ScubaDog's Avatar
    You are dead wrong. You see, we keep every photo and home video we ever record. Between the AWESOME results of the LUMIA 1020 (which both my wife and I have and take tons of pictures with) and the ultra-high capable dedicated camera and our 4k HD video camera (we do community theater and other public performances, we eat up a LOT of storage. Add to that our ever-growing music collection (all LEGAL), and 1TB is easily a cap that can be busted. We aren't doing anything wrong. We want our media accessible anytime, anywhere.
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    11-05-2015 02:39 PM
  19. ajj3085's Avatar
    I'm just wondering what's stopping people from getting say... a NAS and allow Remote Access to it via an app or Web UI. You might say it's less secure to own an NAS then go and use an online storage service but really... who are you kidding with that statement?
    You still have to manage the nas, and back it up, and usually start over again if you need to add more storage.
    11-05-2015 08:05 PM
  20. ajj3085's Avatar
    As if the 950XL can resolve those 20MP. Up until fairly recently 16.4MP DSLR cameras were the norm. 16 MP Limit is better than JPEG compression
    Oh, you've used the 950xl?
    11-05-2015 08:08 PM
  21. ajj3085's Avatar
    If you need more than 1TB for personal storage you are doing something terribly wrong, possibly illegal.
    Ok, this is just nonsense.
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    11-05-2015 08:10 PM
  22. wrm1's Avatar
    Well, the current Windows 10 implementation of OneDrive has done wonders to curb my cloud usage. I used to have music there and everything. Now, it's all local on the SD card. Thanks Microsoft.
    11-05-2015 08:19 PM
  23. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    You still have to manage the nas, and back it up, and usually start over again if you need to add more storage.
    Manage the NAS? You plug it and set it up. To Back it up, you simply add a 2nd hard drive (or more depending on how many TBs you need.) No need to rinse and repeat.
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    11-05-2015 08:20 PM
  24. 7a2eer's Avatar
    Oh, you've used the 950xl?
    Canon DSLRs that cost well over $1000 cannot resolve 20MP, what makes you think the 950 XL can?

    Until Microsoft crams a 1" sensor and future state of the art optics, and or implements a true PureView system with a discrete processor there is little justification for 20MP on a smartphone.
    11-05-2015 08:54 PM
  25. 7a2eer's Avatar
    Ok, this is just nonsense.
    Do you use over 1TB on your personal cloud? XD
    11-05-2015 08:57 PM
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