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  1. dKp1977's Avatar
    Haven't tried it my self, I just figured it would be lag and problems rendering graphics. How about accessing sensors and other hardware features?
    I remember that the camera didn't work. Everything else seemed ok. But that feature was clearly in a very early stage. And for that stage is was performing actually very good.
    12-03-2015 08:19 AM
  2. dKp1977's Avatar
    I honestly don't think Microsoft at this time cares much about the "app gap". I think their main goal is creating the ultimate productivity devices.
    But if so, then they're doing it wrong. Because that's exactly what's keeping people from buying into WM/WP.
    12-03-2015 08:20 AM
  3. KimRM's Avatar
    But if so, then they're doing it wrong. Because that's exactly what's keeping people from buying into WM/WP.
    It's possible they're doing it wrong. But it seems to be their strategy right now, so only time will tell. For me personaly that was the main reason I switched from iphone a year ago. I found WP to be more productive and effective. It suits me. Windows 10 Mobile even more so.
    12-03-2015 08:27 AM
  4. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    Universal apps are a big hit! This helps to bring the apps of PC to the mobiles and vice versa. As a result, unlike in Win 8.1 for PC, most of the popular apps are now available on Windows 10 for PC! Due to universal apps, mobiles and laptops are now helping each other to grow their app market and this rise is exponential!
    12-03-2015 08:27 AM
  5. KimRM's Avatar
    But if so, then they're doing it wrong. Because that's exactly what's keeping people from buying into WM/WP.
    It's possible they're doing it wrong. But it seems to be their strategy right now, so only time will tell. For me personaly that was the main reason I switched from iphone a year ago. I found WP to be more productive and effective. It suits me. Windows 10 Mobile even more so.
    12-03-2015 08:27 AM
  6. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Android apps on Windows 10 mobile will undermine the whole OS.. why would Microsoft even make phones then? Plus the apps would run in an emulated state, and it would not be pretty.
    Big apps like Facebook and Instagram have to be native. Microsoft should help to develop these apps to achieve top quality.

    UWP is the best option for apps that are also useful on PCs.

    For smaller apps, Android emulation is probably the only feasible solution.
    12-03-2015 08:32 AM
  7. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    There are also developers targeting Windows specifically. I'm one of them. I'm trying to appeal to people with disabilities and help make technology work for them. I'm targeting the Windows platforms. If we start creating niches for Windows mobile then we can create more users, and that should get developers on board. I'm also going to make a suggestion to the staff for Windows Central to help get apps out there and developed.
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    12-03-2015 08:46 AM
  8. techiez's Avatar
    I'll rephrase.

    Windows 10 mobile is not available to officially download to the masses. It's available on two phones.

    Once Windows 10 mobile is released globally and people are able to upgrade, the apps will come.
    Windows 10 is already there in many laptops, how many devs it has attracted?, if W10 desktop cant attract devs W10mobile will never will
    12-03-2015 10:15 AM
  9. cracgor's Avatar
    Ballmer is not right. Universal apps platform is not going to flop. It's just starting. What about project Astoria , islandwood , westminster , centennial ???????
    Those are more likely to help, but aren't really universal apps. They are borrowing apps from other OSes.
    12-03-2015 10:34 AM
  10. cracgor's Avatar
    I honestly don't think Microsoft at this time cares much about the "app gap". I think their main goal is creating the ultimate productivity devices.
    A productive phone needs apps like a productive PC needs software. That is the reason PC dominated Mac for so long. It is a myth my windows phone is more productive. 5 years ago when it was the only platform worth office.... Maybe.
    12-03-2015 10:36 AM
  11. cracgor's Avatar
    Universal apps are a big hit! This helps to bring the apps of PC to the mobiles and vice versa. As a result, unlike in Win 8.1 for PC, most of the popular apps are now available on Windows 10 for PC! Due to universal apps, mobiles and laptops are now helping each other to grow their app market and this rise is exponential!
    My point is just that universal apps let phone apps go to PC easily. There is less benefit to move your PC app to mobile. There is even less incentive to move your iPhone so to PC to get it on windows mobile.

    What are the great universal apps coming to the platform? Please enlighten me. For PC people still make traditional software over apps. My dictation software on PC exists, but not as an app. The developer has no plans to develop for windows mobile and suggested I get an iPhone or iPod. #wmlife
    Last edited by cracgor; 12-03-2015 at 10:49 AM.
    12-03-2015 10:38 AM
  12. henocksandy's Avatar
    That's not entirely true. Yes, they run in an emulated environment, but not pretty? I've been playing around with this feature a couple of times and the apps looked exactly like they do on Android (and WM10 will soon look the very same) and were perfectly fluid. No lag, no nothing. If I hadn't known for sure, I would have thought these were native WM10 apps.
    You talking about Astoria on Lumias? Lol... Ur joking that it runs smooth! I tried it myself and at first it was ok, then next day my phone started slowing down just like an Android phone! 1week later i could not even reset the phone, it was that worse, then had to use WDRT! I tested this because i read rumors about it slowing down the phone as we use it and it was true! And for your kind information, Microsoft Confirmed it that it was reason they removed it!
    12-03-2015 11:34 AM
  13. henocksandy's Avatar
    In the end, Android and iOS will start doing the same thing MS is doing right now! Thats why Universal Apps are the future! In coming years when there is a phone with 8GB RAM, do u think Mobile apps need that much power? Universal Apps will show its power! Whereas for iOS, they have to make a new app for phones, and 1 more for Mac with OS X! Now even google wants to copy this by making Chrome OS and Android together! Universal Apps was the best idea by Microsoft!
    12-03-2015 11:44 AM
  14. jhoff80's Avatar
    And for your kind information, Microsoft Confirmed it that it was reason they removed it!
    Actually, a Cortana bug that has since been fixed is what slowed the device down over time. Microsoft has given no reason for the removal of the Android subsystem. As for all of this rhetoric about Android slowing down and all that, a lot of people here clearly haven't used Android in years (or ever) and are just repeating the same talking points against it.

    I still prefer the Windows Phone / Windows 10 Mobile operating system and continue to use my Lumia 1020 as my primary device, but a lot of you here are just sticking your head in the sand on this stuff.

    Universal apps are great. I love the potential of them. However, has there been a single instance of a big-name app that is missing from Windows Phone 8.1 that is coming to the platform now as a Universal app? So far, we've seen a bunch of updated versions of apps we already had. Nothing really new that fills a hole in what's available.

    I've said in another thread, but it's really a tradeoff for what you need. Right now, the needle tips for me just slightly in the direction of my Lumia based on the strength of the OS itself, but the limits of what everyone is willing to miss out on can vary.
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    12-03-2015 11:44 AM
  15. dKp1977's Avatar
    You talking about Astoria on Lumias? Lol... Ur joking that it runs smooth! I tried it myself and at first it was ok, then next day my phone started slowing down just like an Android phone! 1week later i could not even reset the phone, it was that worse, then had to use WDRT! I tested this because i read rumors about it slowing down the phone as we use it and it was true! And for your kind information, Microsoft Confirmed it that it was reason they removed it!

    Never happened on my old 1520, nope. And like jehoff said, Cortana was a memory hug thus slowing down some devices. They fixed that. Android emulation hasn't been removed, it's still there. At least in the insider builds. It has just been discontinued for the time being without giving any specific explanation other than that it had issues.
    12-03-2015 12:01 PM
  16. hagjohn's Avatar
    Here we are again. Back to the chicken and egg situation.

    Dev's won't build apps because there are no users.
    Users won't switch to Windows because there are no apps.
    That is why Microsoft needs to give people a compelling reason to switch to a windows phone. So far, they have failed miserably. I hope they can fix the situation.
    12-03-2015 12:04 PM
  17. BryceMD's Avatar
    And for your kind information, Microsoft Confirmed it that it was reason they removed it!
    The reason they pumped the brakes on android apps is because android developers were mad. The fact that Win10 Mobile ran android apps virtualized meant you could sideload the android apk. Which brings up piracy concerns in terms of lost revenue for the developers, as well as just the fact you can get the app running on an OS it wasn't intended for without the sourcecode and developers consent.

    They focused more on ios ports which, from my understanding, actually requires a recompile of the source. It may be a port but it is still technically a native app in the sense it isn't virtualized.
    Last edited by BryceMD; 12-03-2015 at 12:28 PM.
    12-03-2015 12:15 PM
  18. Musicman247's Avatar
    Never happened on my old 1520, nope. And like jehoff said, Cortana was a memory hug thus slowing down some devices. They fixed that. Android emulation hasn't been removed, it's still there. At least in the insider builds. It has just been discontinued for the time being without giving any specific explanation other than that it had issues.
    Actually, the Android subsystem WAS removed from W10m. That's why you can't sideload APKs with the Astoria tools on builds from 10536 on. XDA-Developers has several threads devoted to this.
    12-03-2015 12:27 PM
  19. jhoff80's Avatar
    They focused more on ios ports which, from my understanding, actually requires a recompile of the source.
    It's generally more than just a simple recompile. This might have changed since then, but in the BUILD presentation, Microsoft estimated that Islandwood did about 50-60% of the work, and the developer has to recode the rest of it.
    12-03-2015 12:28 PM
  20. cracgor's Avatar
    Universal apps are great. I love the potential of them. However, has there been a single instance of a big-name app that is missing from Windows Phone 8.1 that is coming to the platform now as a Universal app? So far, we've seen a bunch of updated versions of apps we already had. Nothing really new that fills a hole in what's available..
    I couldn't say it better. The difference between a universal IOS app is the apps already exist.

    My experience is most normal people avoid the Microsoft app store and revert their windows 10 machines to a desktop type interface.

    The hardest part is there are no palatable answers.
    12-03-2015 12:29 PM
  21. BryceMD's Avatar
    It's generally more than just a simple recompile. This might have changed since then, but in the BUILD presentation, Microsoft estimated that Islandwood did about 50-60% of the work, and the developer has to recode the rest of it.
    Yes fair point, it's more than a simple recompile. My point was you can't just grab the ios app package and side load it like you could with the android apps. It actually needs to be recompiled for Win10.
    12-03-2015 12:31 PM
  22. elindalyne's Avatar
    We're getting new universal apps every day... Way to early to determine whether or not it's a success or failure. They just updated the SDK for Windows 10 to have more tooling for universal apps as well as released a big updated to VS 2015. The VS update has plugins for creating universal apps for not only Windows, but also for Android and iOS.

    The way I see things happening within the next year we'll see more and more universal apps come out thanks to W10 adoption and better tool availability. We've already got rumors that a SnapChat app may be coming out sometime next year. Combined with the Redstone update that should add more Continuum features and the "Panos phone" that is rumored to be coming, W10M becomes more and more compelling.

    One thing that people miss a lot with the UWP and Continuum is just how broad the UWP actually is. IoT is part of this equation. You could theoretically have smart devices being controlled by the same software that is on your phone. All those science-fictiony type smart homes are beginning to become feasible.

    The UWP is absolutely not a short term project. Continuum and UWP are interrelated and compelling. Use your imagination. I for one look forward to the day when I can drop my phone on the counter and have it connect to a touchscreen panel to control my home. Yes, it's far off, but the underlying framework is being laid as we speak.
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    12-03-2015 12:36 PM
  23. jhoff80's Avatar
    IoT is part of this equation. You could theoretically have smart devices being controlled by the same software that is on your phone. All those science-fictiony type smart homes are beginning to become feasible.
    I already have a ton of smart devices being controlled by software on my phone. (I currently use SmartThings, which supports Zigbee, Z-wave, and connects with Hue, among other devices). It in no way requires those smart devices to be running Windows 10 to do so.
    12-03-2015 12:38 PM
  24. elindalyne's Avatar
    I already have a ton of smart devices being controlled by software on my phone. (I currently use SmartThings, which supports Zigbee, Z-wave, and connects with Hue, among other devices). It in no way requires those smart devices to be running Windows 10 to do so.
    You're misunderstanding me. You can have an IoT application that runs a kiosk be the same package that runs on your phone, that runs on your desktop. 1 codebase to support rather than 3. You could also have said kiosk in small form plug into or broadcast to a giant touchscreen monitor and display different information and have different options.

    Stuff doesn't just go desktop -> tablet -> phone. It can go the other way too.
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    12-03-2015 12:45 PM
  25. jhoff80's Avatar
    I get that, but I guess my problem is more that I don't really understand the practical application of that. I mean, an ATM running Windows 10 wouldn't be helpful to get me as a consumer a phone app.

    Generally, IoT stuff is really specialized anyway. It's great for Microsoft to get that stuff running Windows 10, but I'm not really sure it helps this problem.
    12-03-2015 12:51 PM
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