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  1. theefman's Avatar
    Another reason why Core M isnt feasible: current price for the M3 is $281 http://ark.intel.com/m/products/8819...rderingandspec, atom X7 $37 http://ark.intel.com/m/products/8547...deringandspec; prices are unlikely to differ by much for the next gen of their respective chips making CorevM cost prohibitive. Additionally the storage is like to still be slow eMMC unless anyone thinks they'll also include a full SSD so using a Core chip makes even less sense.





    So if this mythical device ever actually materializes it will definitely be running an atom chip, more powerful and efficient obviously but still an atom.
    01-07-2016 12:10 PM
  2. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    Again you're comparing to what intel has for their consumer/business roadmap but nothing about what they are working on with MS. And again if they get it down to 10nm it will consume way less power, be more efficient with heat dissipation and allow for more gpu execution units. And of course their power management capabilities are enhancing as well. Together with windows 10 they could pull it off. The goal is to use what is needed at the time. I think one of the issues with 950xl is that it doesn't manage the cpu properly and the battery must get eaten up. Of course the firmware update shows that it can help in these areas. My 950xl never really gets warm, but when I was below 25% and in battery saver mode all of a sudden it was getting warm. That seemed odd to me as I would expect the opposite.

    So a phone that is coming in what is speculated to be september of 2016 could indeed have some new chip that is announced along with it. Both MS and Intel have been pumping R&D into this area.

    And it's not that they will shoot themselves in the foot. I think they will continue offering cheaper arm based phones. There's speculation of one with an SD820 coming out. This will be a new line that will do for phones what surface did for laptops. Surface pro wasn't exactly cheap when it came out. Neither is the surface book. If they pull it off they could be selling another 2-in-1 but this time it's a phone.

    And the GPU is going to be a big factor as well as you want to be able to run cross device anything you buy in the windows store. Pumping out arm code for an app via visual studio is simple. you check that you want it to be compiled for arm devices, but when you're creating optimized code for GPU's, it becomes more of a hassle. So if you could remove that hassle you are going to see quite a spectacular ecosystem.

    Not only that, MS could also be working on some new battery tech. This is an area that should get plenty of R&D.

    In the lab researchers were able to convert heat dissipated from a cpu back into energy. Imagine being able to charge your battery or direct that energy somewhere. That would enhance the longitivity quite a bit.

    I can assure you that MS will not release anything ATOM based on their next phone. This is a phone that needs to create a wow factor and the atom chip just will not do that. They could have already used the best Atom chip out there but didn't. And it's not because of app compatibility as it's a layer that software could easily take care of.

    I predicted the whole concept of phones turning to PC's years ago before the 2-in-1 hybrids even came out. It was easy to see because everyone always has their phone with them. It's attached to them, the one device they bring everywhere. So you need to make that one device be as versatile as you can. And well continuum seems like the first step. My friend laughed me off back then saying it wouldn't happen. Well it's happening.

    Even google is seeing the benefit of such an ecosystem that is deviceless or lets you do everything in one area. They are even creating a new OS. Hope MS can maintain a commanding lead and get stuff done quick enough. Google is pretty quick when it comes to releasing things.

    Tech is doing some crazy stuff now. Heck look at Project Tango from Google. It uses Radar to map out your environment in full 3d. This allows gestures and everything you can think of. Interesting but somewhat scary. If every android phone had one you could map out a big portion of the world even the inside of your home. My guess is that they will also use this data for their mapping services etc.. All part of their plan to command the future of mapping. Right now bing has become much better as a mapping service, especially things like bird eye view, traffic cameras, although streetview suffers. But Google is looking more into the future.

    Anyways, I guarantee you it won't be an Atom chip.
    Roadmaps are for investors and consumers for plans on existing solutions. Anything secret is usually shelved and revealed for a wow factor. So whatever MS has baking, it should command a wow factor like the surfacebook did.

    That's why I love directX 12. It shows its power with the surfacebook. It will use gpu cycles from any chips available without any need for sli configurations. And it will do it without developer intervention.
    I think you are really overshooting your expectations right there, yes the concept you are presenting is fine, but the technology is not feasible just yet for consumer product, I don't think microsoft would spent millions on research then just to sell 100 000 devices because they are priced at $1500. When it comes to tech like the heat to electrical power conversion it is most likelly another technology that will never see the sun, like haptic display microsoft was working on; all the 1 min charge battery/capacitor that will run your phone etc; very cool technologies but for most part they are not feasible for consumer devices at least for now.
    10 nanometer production of chips will definitely help with power (computetional) to electrical power consumption, but that does not mean new m series will run at 2w, it will most likelly run at 3.5-4w but it will be more powerfull than current series. I can imagine in near future intel could scrap atom processors and introduce something like mu; so their line-up would be I > Iu >M >Mu where Mu would be lower voltage m series. Also you are acting like you are the only person ever to though of mobile phones being used as computers in a future, i'm going to tell you little secret you were not alone. In general I think what you want from 'surface phone' is to much at the minute, and you are going to be disappointed when the product comes.
    01-07-2016 05:41 PM
  3. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    Another reason why Core M isnt feasible: current price for the M3 is $281 Intel Core? m3-6Y30 Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.20 GHz) Specifications, atom X7 $37 Intel Atom? x7-Z8700 Processor (2M Cache, up to 2.40 GHz) Specifications prices are unlikely to differ by much for the next gen of their respective chips making CorevM cost prohibitive. Additionally the storage is like to still be slow eMMC unless anyone thinks they'll also include a full SSD so using a Core chip makes even less sense.





    So if this mythical device ever actually materializes it will definitely be running an atom chip, more powerful and efficient obviously but still an atom.
    thank god we still have sane people on the forum :)
    plus I don't think people realise how good atoms actually are, and how well they will perform when q3 2016 version comes. I predict cpu wise x7 will be more powerful than this gen m3 (which is doing great on surface pro 4) gpu most likelly will be slower though.
    01-07-2016 05:42 PM
  4. Krystianpants's Avatar
    thank god we still have sane people on the forum :)
    plus I don't think people realise how good atoms actually are, and how well they will perform when q3 2016 version comes. I predict cpu wise x7 will be more powerful than this gen m3 (which is doing great on surface pro 4) gpu most likelly will be slower though.
    It's not that. The Atom thing has been done. That's the whole point. They need something new, something that will shock people.

    Look at AMD's new polaris chip, runs extremely low wattage and as per their claims can run as fast as nvidia cards but half the wattage. Again this hasn't been tested in the real world nor is it available yet. But it showcases what can be done if it's true. A year from now when these phones come out I hope they have done something interesting. If it's an atom processor then again people will think "oh that's been done". Unless of course the phone itself does something extremely different. But I think GPU will be important.

    Microsoft will likely slowly climb in market share thanks to windows 10. But for their phone market share to skyrocket, they need to do something that hasn't been done because of whatever limitations were imposed by current tech.

    And i'm not saying 100% this will happen. I just don't see them using atom. Unless of course it's some new version they made with intel.

    I'm happy with the 950XL and a lot of people would continue to be happy with using qualcomm socs. Heck, they are in partnership with samsung now too. Maybe they will get a crazy Samsung chip in the next phone. Or some combo of samsung chip and intel chip. We shall see.
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    01-07-2016 06:59 PM
  5. elindalyne's Avatar
    If you can have a phone running real win32 applications, you've done something unique and new. I don't really see what you're arguing. There hasn't been a phone on the market that can run win32 apps.

    I'm kind of confused as to why you're bringing in GPUs... the absolute lowest mobile nvidia chip runs at 22W. Even halving that, you're still looking at more power draw from the GPU than the rest of the device.
    01-07-2016 07:02 PM
  6. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    yea the polaris think is very cool however the demos they show it on is extremely optimised for amd harwdare, polaris will denitelly kick *** but i'm not sure abot 50% less power consumption when it comes out maybe 25-30.
    The think is atom is not the problem, is the bad name associated with it, also last phone using atom zenfone uses 2013 model which was garbage. With their new naming strategy Microsoft could market it as new intel x5 or x7 processor, and I cann assure you most smartphone consumers will not know it is atom.
    The one concern with creating new device like 'surface phone' is when you creating something so new so different it is better to hold of for a year, just look at the surface pro 1 vs pro 2. maybe a lot of people will disagree with me but i though pro execution was awful, absolutely not a consumer ready device, However when pro 2 came out, holly **** this was the device to get. The reason why surface pro 1 in my opinion was't ready is because it was ahead of its time, and yea sometimes it can be good think but it wasn't case here. I know Microsoft and intel are working together on this but still technology isn't there yet properly for mobile device, or if it is, it will not be feasible and that is the keyword here.
    01-07-2016 07:14 PM
  7. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    If you can have a phone running real win32 applications, you've done something unique and new. I don't really see what you're arguing. There hasn't been a phone on the market that can run win32 apps.

    I'm kind of confused as to why you're bringing in GPUs... the absolute lowest mobile nvidia chip runs at 22W. Even halving that, you're still looking at more power draw from the GPU than the rest of the device.
    intel gpus are much lower power consumption than any discrete graphics card on the market (in x86 worrld at least); however they still do consume more power than Mali for example or PowerVR
    01-07-2016 07:19 PM
  8. Migi2015's Avatar
    Google Trends shows 'iPhone 7' getting 50x more searches than 'Surface Phone'. So if iPhone 7 sells 50 million units in it's first full quarter, Surface Phone might sell 1 million units. Not bad for a Gen 1 flagship if ya ask me. I'd be thrilled with that.

    Of course that assumes that in the next 8 months that gap will remain 50:1 and not close to something like 25:1.

    Also CoreM is for tablets/laptops/hybrids. Most likely Surface Phone will be running with some newer variant of the Atom x7.
    01-08-2016 12:34 AM
  9. Krystianpants's Avatar
    yea the polaris think is very cool however the demos they show it on is extremely optimised for amd harwdare, polaris will denitelly kick *** but i'm not sure abot 50% less power consumption when it comes out maybe 25-30.
    The think is atom is not the problem, is the bad name associated with it, also last phone using atom zenfone uses 2013 model which was garbage. With their new naming strategy Microsoft could market it as new intel x5 or x7 processor, and I cann assure you most smartphone consumers will not know it is atom.
    The one concern with creating new device like 'surface phone' is when you creating something so new so different it is better to hold of for a year, just look at the surface pro 1 vs pro 2. maybe a lot of people will disagree with me but i though pro execution was awful, absolutely not a consumer ready device, However when pro 2 came out, holly **** this was the device to get. The reason why surface pro 1 in my opinion was't ready is because it was ahead of its time, and yea sometimes it can be good think but it wasn't case here. I know Microsoft and intel are working together on this but still technology isn't there yet properly for mobile device, or if it is, it will not be feasible and that is the keyword here.
    Exactly. The Atom chip has the bad name and that's exactly why they need something newer and a newer name. I actually had the zenfone 2 and it was horrible.

    And that's part of why I bought the 950xL. I mean MS could barely handle the surface book and surface 4. Constant issues and firmware updates. I think the new "surface phone" will probably suffer a lot of issues at first unless they really really get their act together. But even then things will pop up that are not expected due to people using things in unique ways. I'll likely go for generation 2. And the 820 soc is already coming out in february on the Mi phones. So my guess is MS is trying to get one out as well. Which sort of sucks if they do within the next few months as that means they are focusing on this new phone and may not focus as much on these 810 socs.

    Hope they have some trade-in plan if they do release a newer one. Though i'm quite happy with 950xl on latest firmware/os. I think the OS is still the most limiting factor. But the 820 GPU sounds pretty nice.
    01-08-2016 10:12 AM
  10. Migi2015's Avatar
    Exactly. The Atom chip has the bad name and that's exactly why they need something newer and a newer name. I actually had the zenfone 2 and it was horrible.

    And that's part of why I bought the 950xL. I mean MS could barely handle the surface book and surface 4. Constant issues and firmware updates. I think the new "surface phone" will probably suffer a lot of issues at first unless they really really get their act together. But even then things will pop up that are not expected due to people using things in unique ways. I'll likely go for generation 2. And the 820 soc is already coming out in february on the Mi phones. So my guess is MS is trying to get one out as well. Which sort of sucks if they do within the next few months as that means they are focusing on this new phone and may not focus as much on these 810 socs.

    Hope they have some trade-in plan if they do release a newer one. Though i'm quite happy with 950xl on latest firmware/os. I think the OS is still the most limiting factor. But the 820 GPU sounds pretty nice.
    Actually I think Atom could be better than Snapdragon or Exynos given Intel is pursuing more of an Apple-like design to really get peak single-core performance which is what matters on smartphone. The Atom chip that goes into Surface Phone might just leapfrog the Snapdragon 820 and be right behind the Apple A10 later this year.
    01-08-2016 04:30 PM
  11. travisel's Avatar
    Lumia is Snapdragon

    Surface Phone is Atom

    Loving my Lumia 950 XL
    01-09-2016 12:03 AM
  12. Blacklac's Avatar
    Some of you have lost your marbles. Microsoft is basically working with every single manufacturer of its parts to engineer brand new tech just for their 1% market share devices, huh?

    Did someone really say an i5/i7...

    Posted via the Note 4/Nexus 7 (2013)/Lumia 1020/Lumia 2520
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    01-09-2016 12:32 AM
  13. Justin Pearson's Avatar
    Some of you have lost your marbles. Microsoft is basically working with every single manufacturer of its parts to engineer brand new tech just for their 1% market share devices, huh?

    Did someone really say an i5/i7...

    Posted via the Note 4/Nexus 7 (2013)/Lumia 1020/Lumia 2520
    Ugh....if I ever see that guy who decided to word that artical in that fashion I'm going to have to punch him....
    Windows phones is far down the % in its market share. But it is a good bit more then 1%. They had sold just over 1% of the smart phones sold last quarter. And seeing as they had no new phones out at the time(or for a good while this year even)....sorta makes sense. Please...dont use the 1% thing ever again. Thanks.
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    01-09-2016 01:12 AM
  14. Cruncher04's Avatar
    Actually I think Atom could be better than Snapdragon or Exynos given Intel is pursuing more of an Apple-like design to really get peak single-core performance which is what matters on smartphone. The Atom chip that goes into Surface Phone might just leapfrog the Snapdragon 820 and be right behind the Apple A10 later this year
    Currently Cherrytrail is so far behind the latest ARM architectures (Cortex A-72, Kryo, Apple A9x) performance wise, that it is very unlikely that Intel will close the gap in one iteration. More importantly Intel will not allow Atoms to leapfrog likes of Snapdragon 820 let alone Apple A9x, because that would put Atom too close to Core M performance. I can see Goldmont to reach Cortex A-57 performance (essentially Snapdragon 810), but that would already be an accomplishment given the track record of the Atom line of SoCs.

    Which sort of sucks if they do within the next few months as that means they are focusing on this new phone and may not focus as much on these 810 socs.
    Which sort of sucks if they do within the next few months as that means they are focusing on this new phone and may not focus as much on these 810 socs.
    If Microsoft would focus at all on the new Snapdragon SoCs, they would have released a compiler (let alone an OS) with a 64 bit code path. Currently Windows 10 mobile is all Thumb2 code, essentially 32bit and no developer can build and release 64bit apps.
    01-09-2016 11:07 PM
  15. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Regardless of how crazy tech is now, the fact of the matter is that even the lowest end core M chip still uses 100% more power than the highest end Atom chip, let alone any of the ARM chips. Barring some new fancy battery tech that doesn't exist yet or Intel jumping ahead and somehow doing the die shrink a year ahead of schedule, a core M chip isn't feasible.

    More power means more heat, which means more thermal throttling as well. Battery drain also isn't linear. Throwing a core M chip into the 950 XL which has a 3300 mAH battery, would probably halve the effective use time. A sub 10'' device has many more design constraints than a 13'' device.
    Intel Core M-5Y71
    # of Cores 2
    # of Threads 4
    Processor Base Frequency 1.2 GHz
    Max Turbo Frequency 2.9 GHz
    TDP 4.5 W
    Scenario Design Power (SDP) 3.5 W
    Configurable TDP-up Frequency 1.4 GHz
    Configurable TDP-up 6 W
    Configurable TDP-down Frequency 600 MHz
    Configurable TDP-down 3.5 W

    Intel Atom x7-Z8700

    # of Cores 4
    # of Threads 4
    Processor Base Frequency 1.6 GHz
    Burst Frequency 2.4 GHz
    Scenario Design Power (SDP) 2 W

    Not 100% but close enough, 3.5W versus 2W

    Source: http://ark.intel.com/
    Last edited by ShinraCorp; 01-10-2016 at 08:35 AM. Reason: Adding source
    01-10-2016 08:34 AM
  16. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Actually I think Atom could be better than Snapdragon or Exynos given Intel is pursuing more of an Apple-like design to really get peak single-core performance which is what matters on smartphone. The Atom chip that goes into Surface Phone might just leapfrog the Snapdragon 820 and be right behind the Apple A10 later this year.
    Given continuum, you need more cores if you want to do multitasking properly without cpu scheduler going buts trying to manage one for. The os would be responsible for scheduling each task for the core. The developer doesn't need to do anything in this case. So I don't see a single core solution very good for using both phone and continuum. 2 single core chips sure. But they will need to do something impressive in this area. Honestly been running continuum as my main pc and I'm starting to get annoyed with how slow edge gets with some sites, especially this one. Either a bad scheduler, bad optimization in general or the 810 just can't handle it.
    01-11-2016 07:59 AM
  17. Migi2015's Avatar
    Given continuum, you need more cores if you want to do multitasking properly without cpu scheduler going buts trying to manage one for. The os would be responsible for scheduling each task for the core. The developer doesn't need to do anything in this case. So I don't see a single core solution very good for using both phone and continuum. 2 single core chips sure. But they will need to do something impressive in this area. Honestly been running continuum as my main pc and I'm starting to get annoyed with how slow edge gets with some sites, especially this one. Either a bad scheduler, bad optimization in general or the 810 just can't handle it.
    Qualcomm will never be the savior of Windows Mobile. Intel is the ticket.
    01-15-2016 05:57 PM
  18. Blacklac's Avatar
    Ugh....if I ever see that guy who decided to word that artical in that fashion I'm going to have to punch him....
    Windows phones is far down the % in its market share. But it is a good bit more then 1%. They had sold just over 1% of the smart phones sold last quarter. And seeing as they had no new phones out at the time(or for a good while this year even)....sorta makes sense. Please...dont use the 1% thing ever again. Thanks.
    I have no idea what you're talking about. I pulled 1% out of my *** to insinuate their extremely small marketshare. So... Yeah. 1%.

    Posted via the Note 4/Nexus 7 (2013)/Lumia 1020/Lumia 2520
    01-17-2016 08:39 PM
  19. Michael_JL's Avatar
    01-21-2016 08:18 PM
  20. Kavu2's Avatar
    And the Microsoft webpage on Minimum Hardware Requirement specs approved for Windows 10 devices... (as linked from above PCworld article)...

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...=vs.85%29.aspx

    Note: Section 1.1.3
    -----------------------------
    Device types supported by Windows

    Device type - Phone Supported Windows operating systems
    Definition - A handheld device that combines cellular connectivity, a touch screen, rechargeable power source, and other components into a single chassis.
    Supported processor types - ARM (32-bit) and x86 SoCs Windows 10 Mobile
    -----------------------------
    01-22-2016 11:21 AM
  21. anon(9163873)'s Avatar
    Actually, for OEM's, the price of an m3 is 105$ and an atom I believe is 5$ to 8$.
    06-04-2016 05:25 AM
  22. infinitylook's Avatar
    Again you're comparing to what intel has for their consumer/business roadmap but nothing about what they are working on with MS. And again if they get it down to 10nm it will consume way less power, be more efficient with heat dissipation and allow for more gpu execution units. And of course their power management capabilities are enhancing as well. Together with windows 10 they could pull it off. The goal is to use what is needed at the time. I think one of the issues with 950xl is that it doesn't manage the cpu properly and the battery must get eaten up. Of course the firmware update shows that it can help in these areas. My 950xl never really gets warm, but when I was below 25% and in battery saver mode all of a sudden it was getting warm. That seemed odd to me as I would expect the opposite.

    So a phone that is coming in what is speculated to be september of 2016 could indeed have some new chip that is announced along with it. Both MS and Intel have been pumping R&D into this area.

    And it's not that they will shoot themselves in the foot. I think they will continue offering cheaper arm based phones. There's speculation of one with an SD820 coming out. This will be a new line that will do for phones what surface did for laptops. Surface pro wasn't exactly cheap when it came out. Neither is the surface book. If they pull it off they could be selling another 2-in-1 but this time it's a phone.

    And the GPU is going to be a big factor as well as you want to be able to run cross device anything you buy in the windows store. Pumping out arm code for an app via visual studio is simple. you check that you want it to be compiled for arm devices, but when you're creating optimized code for GPU's, it becomes more of a hassle. So if you could remove that hassle you are going to see quite a spectacular ecosystem.

    Not only that, MS could also be working on some new battery tech. This is an area that should get plenty of R&D.

    In the lab researchers were able to convert heat dissipated from a cpu back into energy. Imagine being able to charge your battery or direct that energy somewhere. That would enhance the longitivity quite a bit.

    I can assure you that MS will not release anything ATOM based on their next phone. This is a phone that needs to create a wow factor and the atom chip just will not do that. They could have already used the best Atom chip out there but didn't. And it's not because of app compatibility as it's a layer that software could easily take care of.

    I predicted the whole concept of phones turning to PC's years ago before the 2-in-1 hybrids even came out. It was easy to see because everyone always has their phone with them. It's attached to them, the one device they bring everywhere. So you need to make that one device be as versatile as you can. And well continuum seems like the first step. My friend laughed me off back then saying it wouldn't happen. Well it's happening.

    Even google is seeing the benefit of such an ecosystem that is deviceless or lets you do everything in one area. They are even creating a new OS. Hope MS can maintain a commanding lead and get stuff done quick enough. Google is pretty quick when it comes to releasing things.

    Tech is doing some crazy stuff now. Heck look at Project Tango from Google. It uses Radar to map out your environment in full 3d. This allows gestures and everything you can think of. Interesting but somewhat scary. If every android phone had one you could map out a big portion of the world even the inside of your home. My guess is that they will also use this data for their mapping services etc.. All part of their plan to command the future of mapping. Right now bing has become much better as a mapping service, especially things like bird eye view, traffic cameras, although streetview suffers. But Google is looking more into the future.

    Anyways, I guarantee you it won't be an Atom chip.
    Roadmaps are for investors and consumers for plans on existing solutions. Anything secret is usually shelved and revealed for a wow factor. So whatever MS has baking, it should command a wow factor like the surfacebook did.

    That's why I love directX 12. It shows its power with the surfacebook. It will use gpu cycles from any chips available without any need for sli configurations. And it will do it without developer intervention.
    Haha! That's so funny. Well, it's really possible that their R&D dept. are doing something but that's not how business goes. And besided that's a very big investment. If the phone would be price high( granting it would be). They would only sell a little of that and that would not be enough to compensate for R&D costs just like what others said on this forum. The most feasible would be an atom chip (even that I doubt). Besides, there's no market yet for 2&1 phone hybrids (What! you will work full Windows version on that small screen). I think it is too early for that concept that you said. Again it's possible but not now nor they will do it all at once. Heck, their mobile sales are falling down so it's not profitable for them.
    07-10-2016 09:22 PM
  23. infinitylook's Avatar
    Regardless of how crazy tech is now, the fact of the matter is that even the lowest end core M chip still uses 100% more power than the highest end Atom chip, let alone any of the ARM chips. Barring some new fancy battery tech that doesn't exist yet or Intel jumping ahead and somehow doing the die shrink a year ahead of schedule, a core M chip isn't feasible.

    More power means more heat, which means more thermal throttling as well. Battery drain also isn't linear. Throwing a core M chip into the 950 XL which has a 3300 mAH battery, would probably halve the effective use time. A sub 10'' device has many more design constraints than a 13'' device.
    Haha, I really agree with you. Throwing an M-core chip on that device would be a disaster. Unless they invented a miraculous battery or a God-like cooling process.
    07-10-2016 09:25 PM
  24. RohanRonQM's Avatar
    Intel Core M CPUs will never have Intel Iris graphics as you will require an Intel Core i7 or Intel Xeon CPU.
    Originally posted by poopyfinger
    It's possible. This will make gaming awesome it it comes with hd 520 or the pro iris gpu. Ooh man. I'd sell my 950xl for it. Though if it's custom chip I would wait to see if any first generation problems exist.
    07-11-2016 12:18 AM
  25. RohanRonQM's Avatar
    Many OEMs and ODMs already see viability in staying with Qualcomm, Samsung, or Mediatek for mobile chipsets and Intel will probably be left out of the picture here.

    What is important to recognize is what the HP Elite x3 is doing with virtualizations and Remote desktop functionality in order to use win32 apps/programs.

    Originally posted by poopyfinger
    The same source claims the Surface Phone will be powered by an Intel Core M chipset. The 6th Generation Intel CPU is built on 14nm manufacturing process technology, just like Samsung's Exynos 8890 chip.

    The Intel Core M processor could be more powerful than Qualcomm's upcoming Snapdragon 820 CPU that should be the heart of many flagship smartphones next year.

    It's unclear how many cores the Intel Core M chipset will pack inside the Surface Phone, as Microsoft could choose a two-core or a quad-core configuration.
    Microsoft Surface Phone Coming in September with Intel Core M CPU - Report
    07-11-2016 12:20 AM
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