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  1. Krystianpants's Avatar
    The same source claims the Surface Phone will be powered by an Intel Core M chipset. The 6th Generation Intel CPU is built on 14nm manufacturing process technology, just like Samsung's Exynos 8890 chip.

    The Intel Core M processor could be more powerful than Qualcomm's upcoming Snapdragon 820 CPU that should be the heart of many flagship smartphones next year.

    It's unclear how many cores the Intel Core M chipset will pack inside the Surface Phone, as Microsoft could choose a two-core or a quad-core configuration.
    Microsoft Surface Phone Coming in September with Intel Core M CPU - Report
    12-30-2015 10:47 AM
  2. Iosif Mila's Avatar
    I think it will be a hybrid ARM-x86 custom-made CPU/GPU, made by Intel.

    Something similar to the custom-GPU inside Surface Book, made by nVIDIA.
    12-30-2015 11:31 AM
  3. Krystianpants's Avatar
    It's possible. This will make gaming awesome it it comes with hd 520 or the pro iris gpu. Ooh man. I'd sell my 950xl for it. Though if it's custom chip I would wait to see if any first generation problems exist.
    12-31-2015 08:02 AM
  4. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    If this is a real phone and I hope it is. I hope Microsoft hires additional professional "Quality Control & Testing" to be involved before releasing to the public. There is too much bad press when the iPress and google media people find a flaw.
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-31-2015 08:32 AM
  5. elindalyne's Avatar
    Seems like a lot of speculation still. Previous rumors still mentioned that the new phone would be running an intel cpu, which would correspond with the release of the goldmont microarchitecture in early 2016.
    travisel likes this.
    12-31-2015 08:39 AM
  6. Zulfigar's Avatar
    If this is a real phone and I hope it is. I hope Microsoft hires additional professional "Quality Control & Testing" to be involved before releasing to the public. There is too much bad press when the iPress and google media people find a flaw.
    Insider Program.
    MiloTheOne likes this.
    12-31-2015 09:25 AM
  7. xandros9's Avatar
    Insider Program.
    Judging by how things have been going thus far, it doesn't even begin to cover the lost QA people.
    12-31-2015 10:42 AM
  8. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Maybe, but just saying, the Insider Program may look more into hardware soon if Gabe has his way, heh.
    12-31-2015 03:06 PM
  9. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Insider Program.
    I referred to actual professionals and the implication was that as such, Microsoft would/should actively integrate listening to the professionals into the process and making changes. Seriously, step up their quality and technology process to innovate with tested quality assurance.
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-31-2015 11:04 PM
  10. congthanhgiong's Avatar
    maybe a custom cpu from intel made for just this phone like what Nvidia did to surface book
    01-01-2016 10:37 AM
  11. travisel's Avatar
    Microsoft is releasing three Atom "Goldmont" devises in Q2 2016.

    - Surface 4 10"
    - Surface Mini 8"
    - Surface Phone 6"

    All with 4GB of RAM & 1440p resolution and full support for the new Surface Pen as well!

    I'm enjoying my new Lumia 950 XL now.
    Last edited by travisel; 01-04-2016 at 10:10 PM.
    01-02-2016 12:43 PM
  12. MiloTheOne's Avatar
    Maybe, but just saying, the Insider Program may look more into hardware soon if Gabe has his way, heh.
    Almost seems like an emulation of IOS and mac computer intergradations. If MSFT can get insider phone/pc accounts as one and regular accounts together then they can get control of the bug issues. I feel the 950/XL's were beta devices for the surface phone.
    01-04-2016 01:15 AM
  13. Lee Power's Avatar
    Hopefully the surface phone will have the same / similar options of screen sizes as the 950 & XL. Not everyone wants a 6" device but they would still like the top spec features.
    01-04-2016 01:25 AM
  14. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    I think it is very much doubtful that they use m series for phone. If they will make phone with x86 cpu (personally i would prefer arm based) i'm %80 certain it will be an atom series most likely x3 or x5 with x7 series left for tablets. With m series you will get pretty bad battery life on phone also I am not sure but i dont think m series has any wireless radios or gps included so thats another chip that has to be added. M series was never designed for phones.
    01-04-2016 01:42 AM
  15. travisel's Avatar
    I expect Lumia 960 XL this August.
    - Win10.1 Mobile "Redstone"
    - Snapdragon 820
    - 6GB of RAM / 64GB flash
    - UHS-II "312MB/s" microSDXC support
    - 2160p display "4K"
    - 6 Generation Camera

    Surface Phone will fall between the Lumia 950 XL & Lumia 960 XL
    rafal soboczynski likes this.
    01-04-2016 10:29 PM
  16. RUCKUS_US's Avatar
    6 GB or ram LOL!
    01-05-2016 12:07 AM
  17. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    I expect Lumia 960 XL this August.
    - Win10.1 Mobile "Redstone"
    - Snapdragon 820
    - 6GB of RAM / 64GB flash
    - UHS-II "312MB/s" microSDXC support
    - 2160p display "4K"
    - 6 Generation Camera

    Surface Phone will fall between the Lumia 950 XL & Lumia 960 XL
    If i remember correctly 820 supports only 4gb ram, 830 will allow higher amounts. Also drop resolution to 1440p make it pixel sense, en-house it all in magnesium body and you have a winner.
    Also off topic but i dont understand when people prize lumia camera video recording, it sux big time. When compared to iphone 6s plus or xperia z5 it is awful, very wobbly this needs to be sorted in 6th gen camera
    01-05-2016 12:09 PM
  18. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    I predict that they haven't decided if they're going to make one.
    01-05-2016 12:11 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Seems like a lot of speculation still. Previous rumors still mentioned that the new phone would be running an intel cpu, which would correspond with the release of the goldmont microarchitecture in early 2016.
    Cannonlake is supposed to come out on 10nm process. That would be a huge improvement. Also MS and Intel are working on something together.

    I think it is very much doubtful that they use m series for phone. If they will make phone with x86 cpu (personally i would prefer arm based) i'm %80 certain it will be an atom series most likely x3 or x5 with x7 series left for tablets. With m series you will get pretty bad battery life on phone also I am not sure but i dont think m series has any wireless radios or gps included so thats another chip that has to be added. M series was never designed for phones.
    No it won't be atom. Atom is already out and sucks. It's the lowest of the low end. My guess is that it will be something in the range as surfacebook and it will cost a pretty arm and leg. Then they may have lower mid-range models or business models. This is happening in September so they have quite a lot of time. In the meantime they will likely release more ARM units to keep up with the flagship cycle.

    And lumia video improves with firmware. A lot of people running older firmware seem to have more issues. The newest one improves things quite a bit but only some people have reported getting it.
    Last edited by xandros9; 01-06-2016 at 04:07 PM. Reason: merging
    01-06-2016 09:43 AM
  20. elindalyne's Avatar
    Cannonlake is supposed to come out on 10nm process. That would be a huge improvement. Also MS and Intel are working on something together.
    Cannonlake is for server/desktop machines, not mobile (and they won't be out till 2017 at the earliest). Broxton/Willow trail will be for phones and tablets. The power requirements for any of the desktop/server chips pretty much excludes them from being used in portable electronics... the Skylake chips are great, but they still require 100% more power that their atom chips

    The Cherry trail line of processors is actually pretty good currently (the Surface 3 runs an Atom-x7) and is actually getting close to being comparable with the QC Snapdragon 810 in terms of performance/wattage. The goldmont chips should actually surpass currently available ARM chips in terms of power consumption.
    travisel likes this.
    01-06-2016 11:05 AM
  21. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Cannonlake is for server/desktop machines, not mobile (and they won't be out till 2017 at the earliest). Broxton/Willow trail will be for phones and tablets. The power requirements for any of the desktop/server chips pretty much excludes them from being used in portable electronics... the Skylake chips are great, but they still require 100% more power that their atom chips

    The Cherry trail line of processors is actually pretty good currently (the Surface 3 runs an Atom-x7) and is actually getting close to being comparable with the QC Snapdragon 810 in terms of performance/wattage. The goldmont chips should actually surpass currently available ARM chips in terms of power consumption.
    And which architecture is the new atom going to use?

    I'm hoping the work MS is doing with Intel is a 10nm chip that may not necessarily be something they announced or it's availability to keep quiet, but could be something in between skylake and cannonlake. Both want into mobile badly and so who knows what will come of it.
    01-06-2016 12:47 PM
  22. elindalyne's Avatar
    The new Atoms coming out in 2016 should be using 14nm with the Goldmont microarchitecture. These are different than the current Atoms running Airmont.
    01-06-2016 01:17 PM
  23. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    No it won't be atom. Atom is already out and sucks. It's the lowest of the low end. My guess is that it will be something in the range as surfacebook and it will cost a pretty arm and leg. Then they may have lower mid-range models or business models. This is happening in September so they have quite a lot of time. In the meantime they will likely release more ARM units to keep up with the flagship cycle.
    Yes atom is the lowest in performance in Intel's lineup because it is design for low power device. What are you expecting to get full m7 in a phone ??? iI think you need to educate yourself a little. Design power consumption for m series is around 4.5w atom is around 2w; this would have pretty big impact on battery life (and don't get me started on graphically intensive task)
    Also you mention 'surface phone' will cost arm and leg, I can tell you it is not going to be more expensive than 128gb iphone 6s plus, otherwise microsoft is shooting themselves in a leg, I imagine it will be expensive but around $800-$850.
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    01-07-2016 02:22 AM
  24. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Yes atom is the lowest in performance in Intel's lineup because it is design for low power device. What are you expecting to get full m7 in a phone ??? iI think you need to educate yourself a little. Design power consumption for m series is around 4.5w atom is around 2w; this would have pretty big impact on battery life (and don't get me started on graphically intensive task)
    Also you mention 'surface phone' will cost arm and leg, I can tell you it is not going to be more expensive than 128gb iphone 6s plus, otherwise microsoft is shooting themselves in a leg, I imagine it will be expensive but around $800-$850.
    Again you're comparing to what intel has for their consumer/business roadmap but nothing about what they are working on with MS. And again if they get it down to 10nm it will consume way less power, be more efficient with heat dissipation and allow for more gpu execution units. And of course their power management capabilities are enhancing as well. Together with windows 10 they could pull it off. The goal is to use what is needed at the time. I think one of the issues with 950xl is that it doesn't manage the cpu properly and the battery must get eaten up. Of course the firmware update shows that it can help in these areas. My 950xl never really gets warm, but when I was below 25% and in battery saver mode all of a sudden it was getting warm. That seemed odd to me as I would expect the opposite.

    So a phone that is coming in what is speculated to be september of 2016 could indeed have some new chip that is announced along with it. Both MS and Intel have been pumping R&D into this area.

    And it's not that they will shoot themselves in the foot. I think they will continue offering cheaper arm based phones. There's speculation of one with an SD820 coming out. This will be a new line that will do for phones what surface did for laptops. Surface pro wasn't exactly cheap when it came out. Neither is the surface book. If they pull it off they could be selling another 2-in-1 but this time it's a phone.

    And the GPU is going to be a big factor as well as you want to be able to run cross device anything you buy in the windows store. Pumping out arm code for an app via visual studio is simple. you check that you want it to be compiled for arm devices, but when you're creating optimized code for GPU's, it becomes more of a hassle. So if you could remove that hassle you are going to see quite a spectacular ecosystem.

    Not only that, MS could also be working on some new battery tech. This is an area that should get plenty of R&D.

    In the lab researchers were able to convert heat dissipated from a cpu back into energy. Imagine being able to charge your battery or direct that energy somewhere. That would enhance the longitivity quite a bit.

    I can assure you that MS will not release anything ATOM based on their next phone. This is a phone that needs to create a wow factor and the atom chip just will not do that. They could have already used the best Atom chip out there but didn't. And it's not because of app compatibility as it's a layer that software could easily take care of.

    I predicted the whole concept of phones turning to PC's years ago before the 2-in-1 hybrids even came out. It was easy to see because everyone always has their phone with them. It's attached to them, the one device they bring everywhere. So you need to make that one device be as versatile as you can. And well continuum seems like the first step. My friend laughed me off back then saying it wouldn't happen. Well it's happening.

    Even google is seeing the benefit of such an ecosystem that is deviceless or lets you do everything in one area. They are even creating a new OS. Hope MS can maintain a commanding lead and get stuff done quick enough. Google is pretty quick when it comes to releasing things.

    Tech is doing some crazy stuff now. Heck look at Project Tango from Google. It uses Radar to map out your environment in full 3d. This allows gestures and everything you can think of. Interesting but somewhat scary. If every android phone had one you could map out a big portion of the world even the inside of your home. My guess is that they will also use this data for their mapping services etc.. All part of their plan to command the future of mapping. Right now bing has become much better as a mapping service, especially things like bird eye view, traffic cameras, although streetview suffers. But Google is looking more into the future.

    Anyways, I guarantee you it won't be an Atom chip.
    Roadmaps are for investors and consumers for plans on existing solutions. Anything secret is usually shelved and revealed for a wow factor. So whatever MS has baking, it should command a wow factor like the surfacebook did.

    That's why I love directX 12. It shows its power with the surfacebook. It will use gpu cycles from any chips available without any need for sli configurations. And it will do it without developer intervention.
    01-07-2016 10:27 AM
  25. elindalyne's Avatar
    Regardless of how crazy tech is now, the fact of the matter is that even the lowest end core M chip still uses 100% more power than the highest end Atom chip, let alone any of the ARM chips. Barring some new fancy battery tech that doesn't exist yet or Intel jumping ahead and somehow doing the die shrink a year ahead of schedule, a core M chip isn't feasible.

    More power means more heat, which means more thermal throttling as well. Battery drain also isn't linear. Throwing a core M chip into the 950 XL which has a 3300 mAH battery, would probably halve the effective use time. A sub 10'' device has many more design constraints than a 13'' device.
    01-07-2016 11:43 AM
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