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  1. wpn00b's Avatar
    When has the most modern iPhone not been the best iPhone?
    Yet Apple still has to state the obvious every year "the best iPhone ever".
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    01-26-2016 08:56 PM
  2. P1ng0fDeath's Avatar
    I think that he does have the right to use whatever he wants, and maybe one reason is getting to know what other operating systems have to offer and include it in their own platform, but i also think that it might not be a good sign. To me this kind of thing says: "remember that mobile isn't our priority, so don't have high expectations because you know, profits".

    Also, i'm surprised nobody said anything about that blond hair of his... he looks ready to join a japanese boy band wtf :D
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    01-26-2016 09:29 PM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Ahh, I was hoping that this forum would be rampant with tears and whining. I'm glad to not be disappointed.

    I'm not sure which is funnier, that people are surprised by this, or that they care so much. You know the platform is missing software. You know that it's popular software. It's highly likely that Microsoft executives want to use this software. Why should they do without just because you choose to when you go to Windows Phone/Mobile (for the record, I only use W10M, but I also don't feel compelled to use those apps he does)?
    01-26-2016 09:35 PM
  4. 9sag9's Avatar
    Nothing is wrong in it guys... .... There should be a difference between business life and personal life..... Its not necessary to promote your company 24x7 ... And at the end.. Its his life .. He can use what he wants... U cant expect a person to be a dog though he is a famous person and a part of a huge company... .. Life is once.. N he is taking his own decisions.. N enjoying it... Who knows what will happen tomorrow.. :)
    01-26-2016 10:11 PM
  5. 9sag9's Avatar
    I myself work in JBL .. But I prefer to listen via BOSE .. Though m married to my office life as if for now.. It doesn't mean m not loyal to company .. ..
    01-26-2016 10:14 PM
  6. Dinky89484's Avatar
    He has every right to use whatever the heck he wants, in my opinion. I'd imagine also that where he is and who he is in his line of work, maybe you come home from work and you're sick of what you were staring at all day, sorta like how some say gynecologist come home and the last thing they want to look at or deal with are lady parts.

    On a personal note though, I can't say that it doesn't sadden me a bit. I would have hoped that the people shaping and building a product is so enthusiastic about the product that he/she is 100% all in on the product, proud to push it's capability and even biasedly blind to it's shortcomings. At least you would then get the feel that the product is being pushed and used and there's a sense of pride to the product. All this notwithstanding, who's to say Joe B. isn't super proud and prideful of MS Mobile, just hard to see it when he's using another platform. Again, has every right to, just saddening is all.
    01-26-2016 10:23 PM
  7. iwameed's Avatar
    Many here, I think, haven't read joe's comment on the verge's article on this. He says he did this primarily because it's important to know what you're up against when you are developing a mobile platform. He has to know what works and how it works on the competing platforms to make windows better. When's a better time to do that other than when you are on a year long break? And he might own an android as well.
    01-26-2016 11:09 PM
  8. Jazmac's Avatar
    I've long since lost respect for Belfoire long before this non-story. All I want to read is him finally leaving Microsoft for good.
    barnyr likes this.
    01-26-2016 11:19 PM
  9. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    Remember the good old days?


    "I have an iPhone. I don't want to have an iPhone. I want to have a NOKIA phone because I believe in you and I believe in NOKIA... I want to have that Lumia 928. When do I get it?"
    01-26-2016 11:55 PM
  10. mirondanro's Avatar
    Yesterday when I needed my L950 the most, the phone started going crazy due to the Bluetooth / WiFi bug and needed 5 resets to recover. After this I was thinking: Is this phone used as a daily driver by Microsoft CEO? For his position it is essential to have a good working phone. If a person in his position can use the phone with no complaints then it means they have a good phone and it can be released to the public. Or at least the phone is good for business related people. If something is not working he could always point it to the team and have it fixed. But then I saw the news about Joe using an iPhone, and it became clear that even the Microsoft people don't use their own phones... But they should!! They should use the phones and fix the OS so they have a product they would use every day!
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    01-27-2016 01:48 AM
  11. pericle's Avatar
    Many here, I think, haven't read joe's comment on the verge's article on this. He says he did this primarily because it's important to know what you're up against when you are developing a mobile platform. He has to know what works and how it works on the competing platforms to make windows better. When's a better time to do that other than when you are on a year long break? And he might own an android as well.
    You actually believe that story Joe told on the Verge? That was just damage control on his part. He obviously uses an iPhone as his daily driver.

    And even after so many years of developing Windows Phone, if he still doesn't know what the competition offers, he really shouldn't be in charge of Windows Mobile.
    01-27-2016 02:01 AM
  12. FirstWatt's Avatar
    There are enough things to improve with W10M where you don't need to use an iPhone to find them out.

    And this since quite some time. He should have done that work while he was in charge of this.
    And instead of copying what he will find out whith using an iPhone, why not use W10M deeply, finding the bugs and thinking what would be really cool to have INDEPENDENTLY from iOS or whatever. He won't find out what a traveller misses with W10 when he is using an iPhone.
    And if he thinks a cool app is missing...there are teams at MS who don't know what to do with their time, so they started to bring selfie and keyboard apps to iOS.
    Let them program the app Belfiore could possibly miss.

    With such leaders, MS will get nowhere. Well, he was leader wit WP7, WP8, WP8.1, and until the start of W10.....his track record isn't really one filled with leadership, with pulling strongly, with being fast and effective...
    He'd better go to market something, instead of being responsible for a product line.
    01-27-2016 02:07 AM
  13. FirstWatt's Avatar
    Jo Belfiore has a problem with truth.....
    When we are developing a release of Windows, we MUST use it all the time, on all devices, in order to find the bugs, iterate the design. There’s really no choice or we can’t build Windows as well as we should.
    From 2014:
    Head of Windows Phone Joe Belfiore tweets from an iPhone? then realizes | 9to5Mac

    From 2013:
    Joe Belfiore Clarifies On His Personal Usage Of Other Platform Devices - WMPoweruser

    So what now? MUST use all the time a Windows device, but in 2013 it wasn't like this or what? How could he have used an Android device for a month if true??

    Sorry, is this his honesty? Not good for a leader.
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    01-27-2016 02:33 AM
  14. teemulehtinen's Avatar
    Guys, is it really so hard to think that in order to understand the competition - which is pretty crucial in every field of business - you really need to use the product for slightly more than an hour or two in a lab every now and then? If Belfiore then fails to match and surpass the competition with MSFT products is another matter altogether. But that he shouldn't ever use the products by the competition?

    I am just saying this as a CEO from another sector altogether I know and his commercial director are travelling through Europe the whole week using competitors' products to find out about their service, innovation, staffing etc. Everyone who is serious does this. Why wouldn't MSFT?
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    01-27-2016 03:10 AM
  15. NM_N's Avatar
    So many assumption here, I would be bored with wp after working on it for year's.
    01-27-2016 03:16 AM
  16. M7H's Avatar
    You actually believe that story Joe told on the Verge? That was just damage control on his part. He obviously uses an iPhone as his daily driver.
    This!
    That's exactly what I also think of all the whiners here, they do damage control, and act as if they hate the platform, but in fact are the real WM lovers!
    Because how else can you explain that they are always the first to start a thread here?
    01-27-2016 04:11 AM
  17. Lusitanium's Avatar
    Microsoft is really testing the innermost limits of the colective patience of the most diehard Windows fan base. CEO Nadella said before that he wants people to use Windows because they like to, not because they have to... but as time goes by, it just gets harder and harder to believe that, because I really do WANT to stay on Windows Mobile but they just won't do their part. Look at how long Windows 10 Mobile has been announced... and my Lumia 640 is still waiting. Unnacceptable. I mean, not that this situation is something we didn't know about... Nadella has proudly displayed his iPhone Pro packed with Microsoft apps in public and said multiple times that the situation on mobile is unsustainable. I wouldn't be surprised if even the heads of Windows have iPhones as daily drivers. Their only hope to preserve a foot in mobile segment seems to be a miracle from the hands of Panos Panay, to come out with an iPhone killer - the Surface Phone. Personally, I don't think that will suffice to save mobile. Compete for 10% of the market, specially in the higher-end spectrum? Sure... Become mainstream? Too little too late. To Windows Phone I came because of Nokia... and to Nokia I shall return.
    01-27-2016 04:19 AM
  18. mirondanro's Avatar
    I want to believe that Microsoft employees are not releasing a product that they themselves wont use daily.
    Considering how WM10 sometimes works on L950 I can imagine Nadella and Joe throwing their phones out of the "Windows" from time to time :)
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    01-27-2016 04:34 AM
  19. FirstWatt's Avatar
    Guys, is it really so hard to think that in order to understand the competition - which is pretty crucial in every field of business - you really need to use the product for slightly more than an hour or two in a lab every now and then? [...]
    Absolutely, but....
    1. He isn't being honest, as I pointed already out.
    2. MS MUST have such processes implemented, and I agree that it's not about using a phone an hour in the lab. So at least a small bunch of people has to do this work, from January 1st until December 31st. Assigned. Full time. And write reports about it, hold meetings, etc.
    And it is not the Leader who has to do this, in such a big company.
    The leader should expose himself proudly using the companys products, being totally convinced and convincing. And not only because of the customers, but also and especially because oft the many employees, as an ideal.

    And again, he'd better help to debug the actual features, develop new ideas instead of looking for features on other phones.
    What better time to develop new ideas if not in such a vacation?

    Well, anyway, I think he'll not return to MS having the same job after his vacation. And looking at his track record, it's maybe better this way.
    01-27-2016 04:47 AM
  20. tooly26's Avatar
    Not only joe using a iphone;) many people at ms using iphones. I think at ms nobody using windows mobile/phone....
    01-27-2016 05:46 AM
  21. kjmcintosh's Avatar
    He is a joke, as it has been said you don't see other leaders in other companies promoting their rivals. You don't have to go around with a competitors product to see where it is better than your own, Its business rule 101. What are competitors doing? How can we make it better! If he is only getting round to it now while on his holidays no wonder WP10 is so poor!!
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    01-27-2016 06:36 AM
  22. Giddora's Avatar
    Of course he uses competing products... How else would he know how to make his own products better?

    ALL companies use products from competitors... It is how development works... You hear about something good in a competing product... You look it up, rip it off, makes it better and launches it in your own products.

    Do you really think Google engineers didn't use Altavista when they were making Google? You think Apple doesn't use Windows computers/phones at their campus? You're ignorant.
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    01-27-2016 07:22 AM
  23. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Well,. They are getting paid millions and we are here fighting... After my icon I will buy something else. no more.....
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    01-27-2016 07:35 AM
  24. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Many here, I think, haven't read joe's comment on the verge's article on this. He says he did this primarily because it's important to know what you're up against when you are developing a mobile platform. He has to know what works and how it works on the competing platforms to make windows better. When's a better time to do that other than when you are on a year long break? And he might own an android as well.
    Belifiore's comment is nothing more than damage control.

    You seriously believe that Belfiore doesn't know how iPhones work after all this time? The guy who is responsible for the direction of Windows Phone is experimenting with iPhones NOW to find out what he's up against?

    One of the greatest slams against iOS and iPhones is that nothing significantly changes. Pretty much the same thing year after year. The iPhone has been out for 9 years. If he doesn't know by now, he'll never know.

    I know the corporate culture inside Microsoft. Belfiore's year long break isn't what Microsoft publicly announced. When Belfiore returns (if he does), he will not be in any decision-making position for Windows Phone.
    Last edited by WillysJeepMan; 01-27-2016 at 03:54 PM. Reason: fixed typo
    01-27-2016 07:36 AM
  25. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The apologist for Joe are quite amusing.

    Let's see if I can put this into perspective for those of you missing the point.

    There is nothing wrong with Joe or any other employee having a competitors device and using it to learn about it or even use it as a personal device. I don't think anyone would begrudge them of that.

    However, it's very difficult if you're trying to sell your product to people and you're using a competitors device. If you are the face of Windows Mobile and you go on about how great it is, then you're using a different device in a public profile all it does it make you look like a fool and a liar. Perception! No one is buying that crap of 'learning ' about a competitive product. It's very obvious he knows already.

    Why isn't Joe posting on a WM? The 950? Why tweet with an iPhone? He knows all the WM people are following him. What does that say to people interested in the platform?

    If he's no longer a MS employee or counted as one so be it. Use whatever you want. However if your profile is still tied to MS and you're posting stuff on a competitor device then it's time for you to go anyway. You're not helping.

    I see many years of WM being 3% if stuff like this continues... What reason does anyone see using a WM device other than it's interface?
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 01-27-2016 at 08:05 AM.
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    01-27-2016 07:38 AM
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