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  1. arwars's Avatar
    I use one as well. He should have no shame, MS just cant catch up, much less pass the competition.

    Why should he get stuck with an inferior phone experience just because of where he works? If he did his job correctly, if WP was as good as we wanted to believe it was... his post wouldn't have been done while using an iphone.

    I lost the expandable storage, the higher MP camera, the built-in radio and live tiles and Miracast, but they took all else away from me on their own. So take the hint, stop waiting, stop believing in the unbelievable and the unattainable... get a different phone and a different attitude.
    Dk92, steve_w_7 and Kram Sacul like this.
    01-27-2016 07:44 AM
  2. FirstWatt's Avatar
    Of course he uses competing products... How else would he know how to make his own products better?

    ALL companies use products from competitors... It is how development works... You hear about something good in a competing product... You look it up, rip it off, makes it better and launches it in your own products.

    Do you really think Google engineers didn't use Altavista when they were making Google? You think Apple doesn't use Windows computers/phones at their campus? You're ignorant.
    And you are ignorant about what I wrote.
    Of course they did and do. They must, as I wrote.

    But NOT the LEADER of a product line. This is a No No.
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    01-27-2016 07:49 AM
  3. FirstWatt's Avatar
    I use one as well. He should have no shame, MS just cant catch up, much less pass the competition. [...].
    If he has the same mindset, well then...he should leave ASAP.
    01-27-2016 07:50 AM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    Yup. It's like U.S. presidential candidates having to wear a lapel pin (U.S. flag), or risk being called unpatriotic. It's stupid and superficial BS, but as a candidate, you make sure you're wearing that pin regardless. Doing so is just simpler than being forced to waste time discussing fake scandals, when that time could be better used pushing your real message/agenda.

    Anybody who represents anything should know this, incl. Joe Belfiore. Yes, this too is a stupid and fake scandal, and in a completely rational world it wouldn't be an issue, but Joe is the highly paid professional here, meaning he shouldn't repeatedly be stepping into these situations.

    If Joe ever publicly uses a competitor's device, it should be to complain about it. For everything else, the public expects to see: "whatevered from my windows phone". Just like people expect to see presidential candidates wearing lapel pins.
    Last edited by a5cent; 01-27-2016 at 01:41 PM. Reason: spelling
    01-27-2016 08:05 AM
  5. Lord Method Man's Avatar
    If he has the same mindset, well then...he should leave ASAP.
    Why? Supporting iPhone over Windows Mobile is perfectly in line with Microsoft's strategy.
    01-27-2016 08:16 AM
  6. mirondanro's Avatar
    It is perfectly OK for them to use the products from competitors. What is my impression is that they don't use their own products enough. Would Nadella and Joe use L950 as their daily driver with all the existing software issues?
    01-27-2016 08:33 AM
  7. Richie Alex's Avatar
    Not only joe using a iphone;) many people at ms using iphones. I think at ms nobody using windows mobile/phone....
    True. When I worked at MS, I loved WM5 through WP8.1, but I was definitely in the minority of FTEs in my group.

    At first about 60% of the team had iPhones, 40% Win. When I left a couple years ago, about 40% had iPhones, 40% Android, and 20% Win for their primary phone.

    And worth W10M launching with an even bigger app gap than we had pre-Mango, even I recently switched. And if MS can't keep loyalists like me, they'll never convert outsiders.
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    01-27-2016 08:35 AM
  8. Srenia Ia's Avatar
    MS on the mobile side needs to get its act together. The best advice I could give them is put Windows 10 on released Android phones. Dual OS release. Pay the phone manuafacture/distritributor what is fair. Release One flagship phone with tech that pushes the industry. Sorry 950/xl isn't anything special in the phone industry. Lumia brand is dead. If you can't beat them, join them.

    As far as Joe - If a Pepsi employee drinks Coke they are fired on the spot. MS should have similiar requireements.
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    01-27-2016 08:44 AM
  9. ninny1176's Avatar
    "I see many years of WM being 3% if stuff like this continues"

    3% is being quite optimistic.
    01-27-2016 08:58 AM
  10. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    In the end it honestly doesn't matter what device he uses. I don't care, but I do find it careless that he didn't even stop to think about what he's using and how it'll appear.
    I'll use the device I enjoy. Let him enjoy his. If you're that concerned about WM10 then you already know all the issues nd problems that are still out even after all the bug reports and years of waiting for this feature or that fix.
    01-27-2016 09:20 AM
  11. deepak12345's Avatar
    What if he uses an iphone , i love windows mobile/phone and yet i have an android with me ti just see what the rival platform has right now which we lack.
    01-27-2016 09:30 AM
  12. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Here is Belfiore's comment to that Verge article:

    Joe here I wanted to comment because I think its useful for anyone working in tech.. or ASPIRING to work in tech.. to think about the trade-offs involved in what somehow appears as a "dramatic" decision! I suspect the significant majority of you will land on the same side of the issue that I have

    My job for the last couple of years has been (1) to curate the PC experience for Windows PCs (including tablet devices) and (2) to curate the experience for Windows Phones. In both capacities, its very important for me to understand products like the iPhone and Android phones, which are heavily used by PC users around the world, and which represent the competition for Windows Phone. Consumers and business users expect their PCs and phones to work in concert so to satisfy our customers we need to consider the devices they use AS WELL AS the devices wed like them to use.

    On a 9-month leave-of-absence, I have a HUGE AND UNUSUAL opportunity to get to know these products deeply. To understand the benefits and drawbacks of a full ecosystem like Windows, Android, iOS you have to LIVE IN IT. You have to feel its strengths and weaknesses, be let down, be delighted. And you cant do that just "playing around" with a device for a couple of days. You have to learn the UI, upload your photos, use cross-device apps and tools all of it.

    When we are developing a release of Windows, we MUST use it all the time, on all devices, in order to find the bugs, iterate the design. Theres really no choice or we cant build Windows as well as we should. On a leave-of-absence, there are tons of talented people doing that every day, which gives me the possibility of spending depth time on other devices, and using Windows very much like you Insiders do, without full knowledge of whats happening "behind the curtain".

    Furthermore, theres a lot of work happening at MS which integrates Windows PCs with iOS and Android devices like bringing Cortana to these phones so your intelligent assistant can help you whereever you are. I want to experience and understand all that work deeply too.

    So I think Vlad has it right when he says "its OK". (Thank you, Vlad.) But, Id go farther and say "itd be CRAZY not to"! In fact, when I posted on FB that I was taking a leave, I did mention explicitly that I would do this and (horror of horrors) Ive followed through, spending a bunch of time using Google Maps, Spotify, Periscope, a MacBook, a Nexus phone, etc. And.. in todays Microsoft, this practical, customer-focused attitude is well celebrated and supported. (and.. btw I love my Surface Book!)

    Thats all from me. Back to quality time with my family, well, and thinking about the (still-obviously-so-entertaining) question of what I could do next with my hair

    I don't care that he's using an iPhone. It makes sense. William Ford, former Ford Motor Company executive, was known to drive GM products for the same reason. For anyone making business decisions and not continuously looking at what the competition has to offer, I feel for your employer. I would not hire you.
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    01-27-2016 09:43 AM
  13. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    lol he can use whatever he wants, it's his private time but this demonstrates that he does not trust a windows phone anymore. some here were asking why isn't he using a 950? for what? to get headaches with the unreliable and totally buggy windows 10? when will you learn that mobile is no longer a priority for them and they do not invest anymore in it? they failed with the mobile part in the most disgusting way possible. congrats Ballmer and Nadella, especially Nadella for the layoffs and obsession of cost cutting
    01-27-2016 10:05 AM
  14. emjey's Avatar
    lol he can use whatever he wants, it's his private time but this demonstrates that he does not trust a windows phone anymore. some here were asking why isn't he using a 950? for what? to get headaches with the unreliable and totally buggy windows 10? when will you learn that mobile is no longer a priority for them and they do not invest anymore in it? they failed with the mobile part in the most disgusting way possible. congrats Ballmer and Nadella, especially Nadella for the layoffs and obsession of cost cutting
    Perfect and windowsfan boys be like "go for lagdroid(though not anymore) and expensive iphone" totally ignoring the pathetic situation dead 8.1 and unusable 10 is with zero,productivity
    01-27-2016 10:12 AM
  15. sevoman's Avatar
    Because it's better. Period.
    Come on guys, remember those Blackberry addicts that would not switch to iOS or Android?
    They would solemnly swear that BB was better. The Windows Phone people are starting to sound like that.
    Remember when BlackBerry's appointed Alicia Keys as BlackBerry's Chief creative director?
    Then a week later she was posting photos and tweeting from .... you got it: Twitter for iPhone.

    Honestly, most Windows consumers are more loyal to Windows Phone than are the executives at Microsoft.

    Go with the best CURRENTLY available and don't wait and wait and wait fro updates and upgrades and news and for that ever elusive day that Windows Phone will be equal or better in all regards to iPhone. Enjoy the best NOW and when the day comes that Windows Phone blows away all other phones... go out and buy a Windows phone. Before anyone says it, no, early adopters do not make or break a company's future. A company in this day and age needs to put out a polished product to compete and not depend on a mass of chronic "ill wait' types to succeed. Yes the early androids and iphones also sucked but there were not good alternatives so in reality they didn't suck. Today's windows phones/mobile DO suck when it comes to the competition. That is the difference. The past is seductive, thinking there was a time when iPhone was also an infant without many apps and features... true, BUT there was nothing else that was better and so it was worth it!
    Dk92, pericle, Bloobed and 3 others like this.
    01-27-2016 10:19 AM
  16. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    I would not call this man a liar. remember he said he is coming back to Microsoft. he has to be well aware of what the competition has to offer and you cannot KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU USE the COMPETITIONS Devices. He will know what Apps Microsoft needs to get on Windows smart phones that Android and Apple smart have Windows smart phones do not have. He will know what quality has to be in the Physical case designs of Windows smart phones. MS CEO Nadella may even know what he's up to. One thing Microsoft has to do is change the shape of it's interface's Tiles because some People do not like the way they look. this can be done by simply rounding off the 4 corners of the tiles and increasing the size of the icons inside the tiles and spacing them further apart to give a less cluttered look to the screen. Microsoft has resisted doing this but should to give a refreshed look to their User interface. It would show MS is flexible and creative
    Last edited by Gregory Newman; 01-27-2016 at 10:38 AM.
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    01-27-2016 10:21 AM
  17. Mike Bourbon's Avatar
    Wasn't it announced that iOS and Android devs could port over their apps to Windows? If so, is it possible he is porting over an iOS app for Twitter because it's better and running it on his Windows Phone? I would think these guys are running all kinds of ported apps on their phones, no?
    01-27-2016 10:35 AM
  18. v535's Avatar
    I bet everyone in MS has an iphone or the best devices in the market. Even if I'm in their shoes I'd probably go with the best device out there 'cause I don't want my work to be pending or rather anyone who got top priority goals or objectives to complete within a given deadline will do the same.
    The reason why I bought an WP was: It was close to an iphone in performance w/o any lags and no problems with low ram and high cpu usage etc. I completely agree there's a lot less apps whilst comparing to droids and apple i's, overall I'm happy with few apps that I normally use everyday. So, for me, it doesn't matter since the apps I use the most are available on wp with more or less features. I just hope MS finishes w10m atleast for L950 otherwise there are letting down people who bought it.
    01-27-2016 10:48 AM
  19. Schnuffi's Avatar
    Benedict Arnold. That's all I can say. How are they to sell this phone to others businesses to use.
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    01-27-2016 10:53 AM
  20. Schnuffi's Avatar
    If it wasn't an issue, we wouldn't be talking about it.
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    01-27-2016 11:03 AM
  21. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    already ditched my 950. too bad, nice phone but a total failure OS
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    01-27-2016 11:05 AM
  22. HeyCori's Avatar
    Jo Belfiore has a problem with truth.....


    From 2014:
    Head of Windows Phone Joe Belfiore tweets from an iPhone? then realizes | 9to5Mac

    From 2013:
    Joe Belfiore Clarifies On His Personal Usage Of Other Platform Devices - WMPoweruser

    So what now? MUST use all the time a Windows device, but in 2013 it wasn't like this or what? How could he have used an Android device for a month if true??

    Sorry, is this his honesty? Not good for a leader.
    I think you highlight an important difference between Joe Belfiore and Panos Panay.

    Panay is a company man. He's committed to making the best product he can. Panay took the Surface line from a 900 million dollar write down to a billion dollar revenue source. Now the Surface line is one of the most praised tech products on the market.

    Belfiore released Xbox Music...

    Xbox Music may be the worst piece of software ever released by Microsoft. Joe is the guy who looked at that app and thought, "Good enough." And while Xbox Music is the highlight, it's not the only bad piece of software that Belfiore allowed. That seems to be Joe's approach to Windows right now - release software that's good enough and then run off to play with his i-devices.

    Does anyone expect Joe to have a job when he gets off sabbatical? More importantly, do we want Joe back? His tenure is marked with bad software and failure. He's basically the opposite of Panos. Like Elop, maybe it's time for Belfiore to move on. There's a chance that Belfiore might return from sabbatical with renewed fire and some great ideas, I'm not expecting it though.
    01-27-2016 11:12 AM
  23. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I guess it shows Windows Phone is a complete failure if the leader of Windows Phone is using a iPhone and has used a Android device in the past....Thanks Joe..

    Time for a new phone everyone.....
    01-27-2016 11:12 AM
  24. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    Btw; Looks like Apple is having a Joe Belfiore effect (stock is down 5% today)
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    01-27-2016 11:19 AM
  25. xandros9's Avatar
    Yup. It's like U.S. presidential candidates having to wear a lapel pin (U.S. flag), or risk being called unpatriotic. It's stupid and superficial BS, but as a candidate, you make sure you're wearing that pin regardless. Doing so is just simpler than being forced to waste time discussing fake scandals, when that same time could be used pushing your real message/agenda.

    Anybody who represents anything should know this, incl. Joe Belfiore. Yes, this too is a stupid and fake scandal, and in a completely rational world it wouldn't be an issue, but Joe is the highly paid professional here, meaning he shouldn't be repeatedly stepping into these situations.

    If Joe ever publicly uses a competitor's device, it should be to complain about it. For everything else, the public expects to see: "whatevered from my windows phone". Just like people expect to see presidential candidates wearing lapel pins.
    My name is xandros9 and this is my favorite post in the thread.
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    01-27-2016 11:21 AM
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