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  1. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    Folks Joe Belfore Stated in a blog he would be testing and using Android and Iphones to evaluate them and their OS. Apps ect while he was leave of absence from Microsoft. all you Dummies calling him a traitor to Windows smart phones are wrong. When he returns to Microsoft. He will be better able to write software for Windows smart phones and recommend hardware changes also. what he is doing is a good thing not a bad thing.
    ArtificiallyYours likes this.
    01-28-2016 11:44 AM
  2. Riopato's Avatar
    Why is this even a topic of discussion? Joe has already posted on Facebook that he was going to be testing out different phones while on vacation before he left.
    It's like the Patriots' Surface Pro problem, anyone associated to Microsoft is to blame for everyone's problems, even when it's not. Nobody's claiming foul to the networking product that actually failed. I love the fact that everyone was calling the Surface an iPad every single game that aired but the first time something went wrong, all of the sudden everyone remembered it a Microsoft Surface Pro!!!???!?!?!?
    01-28-2016 11:45 AM
  3. Schnuffi's Avatar
    Folks Joe Belfore Stated in a blog he would be testing and using Android and Iphones to evaluate them and their OS. Apps ect while he was leave of absence from Microsoft. all you Dummies calling him a traitor to Windows smart phones are wrong. When he returns to Microsoft. He will be better able to write software for Windows smart phones and recommend hardware changes also. what he is doing is a good thing not a bad thing.
    01-28-2016 11:53 AM
  4. Schnuffi's Avatar
    So after all these years lets check out apple and see what all the fuss is about.
    01-28-2016 11:56 AM
  5. Lord Method Man's Avatar
    Folks Joe Belfore Stated in a blog he would be testing and using Android and Iphones to evaluate them and their OS. Apps ect while he was leave of absence from Microsoft. all you Dummies calling him a traitor to Windows smart phones are wrong. When he returns to Microsoft. He will be better able to write software for Windows smart phones and recommend hardware changes also. what he is doing is a good thing not a bad thing.
    Are you satirizing every silly apologist line used in this thread or is this what you actually believe?
    theefman likes this.
    01-28-2016 12:03 PM
  6. Riopato's Avatar
    Whatever works for you best, Microsoft still made it happen.
    Windows Phone is still in very early beta (even though windows 10 been released already). But consider the possibility that whatever apps Microsoft makes for iPhone or Android will always translate as a better experience on Windows Phone once Microsoft gets their act together finally stabilize the Windows 10 platform. In the meantime, Joe can intimately figure out how to better that experience by learning Apple's and Googles devices. It's very possible that Windows 10 mobile's UI may make a drastic change for the better because of this. Hopefully Windows Phone users will have something more stable before these changes can be implemented when he gets back.
    01-28-2016 12:12 PM
  7. soil2oil's Avatar
    Whatever works for you best, Microsoft still made it happen.
    Windows Phone is still in very early beta (even though windows 10 been released already).

    Are you just trolling or serious? Windows phone has been around for years
    01-28-2016 12:26 PM
  8. gpera101's Avatar
    Exactly.... when my 950xl starts rebooting on its own ( during most crucial moments of the day ) I think to myself " how are the Microsoft CEO's dealing with this" now I know..... they aren't.
    01-28-2016 12:39 PM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    Are you just trolling or serious? Windows phone has been around for years
    the guy is serious and I agree with him.

    Windows Phone has been around for a while, but in moving to 10, there's been a significant regression in the polish that was a hallmark of WP7 and 8.
    01-28-2016 12:40 PM
  10. arwars's Avatar
    You simply cannot say he needed a long vacation to look at what iOS/iPhone has been doing for the last 9 years. To say such a thing, expecting others to believe that no one else has had access to the idevices or isoftware, to expect others to think it will somehow make a difference in the coming years that it HASN'T made in the past 9 years... is plain silly and ignorant to think and especially to say.

    It's not about learning how to make WM better for YOU or ME..... its simply his personal preference to have something that works and I do not blame him for that. I blame him for WM10 being in the dirt. It's present state. If he has waited until now to try and figure it out, while on vacation, he's done everyone a disservice by ignoring the competition for the last 9 YEARS!

    Meanwhile, all MS software is on the iPhone, except the OS. It's better on the iPhone than on a Windows Phone... so whoever IS LOOKING at the competition and writing the software for THEM, has their act together and should take HIS job. Period.

    MS is a software and services company that can afford to sometimes do hardware. They've been 'sometimes' doing select hardware for a while, keyboards, mice, xbox, now a surface/surface book. They will release a Surface Phone... and it still wont take off.

    WE as consumers of windows mobile, are not their priority or their profit margin. We are a tag line... Universal on all devices. We are the experiment until they stumble upon something that works, until they collectively care about mobile and use it themselves as a daily driver. WM will remain in the dirt until they put in place an executive team that can wrap their minds about what the collective market wants in a pocket device and demand a better mobile experience.

    I demand a better mobile experience. I waited for it for years. Now I know why it never happened.
    Last edited by arwars; 01-28-2016 at 01:34 PM.
    01-28-2016 01:17 PM
  11. arwars's Avatar
    But consider the possibility that whatever apps Microsoft makes for iPhone or Android will always translate as a better experience on Windows Phone once Microsoft gets their act together finally stabilize the Windows 10 platform.
    You obviously haven't used their products on multiple platforms or you wouldn't even hint at this, much less say it.

    Enjoy the wait in isolation as you sail on the MS Titanic.
    01-28-2016 01:38 PM
  12. Spindlebox's Avatar
    Personally, I don't see the problem with what good old Joe did, or his reasons for so doing. After all, we've all tried Android and iOS and decided that Windows is for us. That said, from a corporate point of view, it is bad PR. Tweeting is to the public (forum) and if a representative, especially one of the big wigs, of a company is going to post something to the public, it should be from his own platform. What one does in private is just that, private. Imagine the opposite, Tim Cook of the wildly successful Apple, Tweeting from an Android phone! And he can afford to!!!
    01-28-2016 01:40 PM
  13. arwars's Avatar
    Tim Cook has no reason to. His product works.

    It's not that Joe uses one personally while on vacation, I don't blame him for that.

    It's his stated reason, to see what the iOS/iPhone experience is.

    If the iPhone just came out, if Android just came out, I can see the justification saying he needed to see what the competition was doing.
    01-28-2016 01:51 PM
  14. MikeX74's Avatar
    I wonder if Tim Cook uses a windows phone to see what it is like.
    If anyone at Apple used something other than an iPhone, it wouldn't be someone like Cook. Probably somebody in Craig Federighi's department--a software engineer.
    xandros9 and a5cent like this.
    01-28-2016 01:55 PM
  15. jbestman's Avatar
    I don't get why this bothers you so much.
    Look, this is a no win for Joe. If he botches on explaining a feature on the iPhone. Example; "I do not think you can use the fingerprint reader to pay on the app store", most people here will jump on his throat for not knowing that. Comments like, "No wonder Windows Mobile is so behind when you do not even know the iPhone has a very versatile fingerprint reader", would be heard.
    The man, on his own free time, decides to try use the MOST RECENT version of iOS to familiarize himself with it and people still jump on his throat. Like I said, we are too sensitive here in the WC community.
    01-28-2016 02:03 PM
  16. jbestman's Avatar
    If anyone at Apple used something other than an iPhone, it wouldn't be someone like Cook. Probably somebody in Craig Federighi's department--a software engineer.
    Tell me you know Joe is not the CEO of Microsoft.
    01-28-2016 02:06 PM
  17. Lord Method Man's Avatar
    Tell me you know Joe is not the CEO of Microsoft.
    No but Nadella was pretty damn proud to show off is iPhone during a presentation, too.

    Face it, not even Microsoft likes Windows Mobile.
    01-28-2016 02:29 PM
  18. WalrusTangerine's Avatar
    No but Nadella was pretty damn proud to show off is iPhone during a presentation, too.

    Face it, not even Microsoft likes Windows Mobile.
    The iPhone wasn't Nadella's, he said it himself.
    01-28-2016 02:31 PM
  19. Lord Method Man's Avatar
    The iPhone wasn't Nadella's, he said it himself.
    Sure it wasn't. He uses a 950XL! Well, he probably did right up until it randomly rebooted while he was in the middle of using it.

    Face it, Microsoft was so proud of their iOS offerings that the CEO himself went out to show them off. Did Nadella unveil the 950 and 950XL "flagships"? No, instead they just had Panos Panay stand there with them and show them to the public with the enthusiasm of a 10 year old being forced to show his dad his C- report card.
    01-28-2016 02:35 PM
  20. tofferne's Avatar
    Its great he is the user of a iPhone, if not he doesn't know how to kill them, its his job. He just show us he is serious and means it, great, a real MS guy.
    01-28-2016 03:00 PM
  21. soil2oil's Avatar
    the guy is serious and I agree with him.

    Windows Phone has been around for a while, but in moving to 10, there's been a significant regression in the polish that was a hallmark of WP7 and 8.

    Ok if that's your view, but I didn't see him say that. Only claim that windows phone is still in beta, enough time has passed si ce windows 7 that windows phone should no longer be in beta was my point
    01-28-2016 03:07 PM
  22. rromerof's Avatar
    After reading a lot of posts here (including mine), I don't even know how all this whining became a topic!
    01-28-2016 04:04 PM
  23. Siguardius's Avatar
    Come on! Phil Spencer and Larry Hryb are playing on PlayStations. Who cares?
    01-28-2016 04:06 PM
  24. TheZuneLune's Avatar
    Dollars to donuts that the Surface Phone will be an Android device. Apps are not coming to Windows. That is all.
    arwars likes this.
    01-28-2016 04:24 PM
  25. MikeX74's Avatar
    Tell me you know Joe is not the CEO of Microsoft.
    Of course I do. Why would I not know that? That's why I said that if anyone at Apple would use a non-Apple device, it would be a software engineer, not an executive like Cook. If Cook even breathed on a non-Apple device, it would be all over the internet like flies on a turd.
    arwars likes this.
    01-28-2016 05:36 PM
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