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  1. txo's Avatar
    It's all about universal apps primarily not continuum or surface phone. If they catch up there will be no reason for win phone death. And I slowly see rise of them. Garmin for example ignored win phone altogether and now they released uwp app..
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    02-01-2016 09:51 AM
  2. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    What about Ubuntu for phones? Bq and Meizu are the only manufacturers atm but its still trying. Same with Tizen, Jolla, etc
    02-01-2016 09:52 AM
  3. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    It's all about universal apps primarily not continuum or surface phone. If they catch up there will be no reason for win phone death. And I slowly see rise of them. Garmin for example ignored win phone altogether and now they released uwp app..
    Releasing an app is not the problem, it's that they maintain it. In the past we would often see companies finally release an app for Windows Phone only to see it languish. The success of UWP for me would be that apps are actively maintained not just released to say they have a presence on the Windows Universal App platform.
    02-01-2016 10:02 AM
  4. Sedp23's Avatar
    The 950 and xl aren't going to make any noise because they are only on one carrier and Microsoft selling them unlocked was a bad idea with no financing. Nobody is going to pay 700 for a phone with beta software and limited apps. Very dumb move on Microsofts part. They need more phones and manufacturers on the carriers and more developer support

    It's definitely not dead as long as windows 10 pc is around

    Sent from mTalk
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    02-01-2016 10:13 AM
  5. deezus's Avatar
    Yes it is safe to say it is dead...as we know it. The Surface phone if true has to run android apps because without apps, it will fail and developers are not going to make apps for a third ecosystem no matter who makes it. I'm not sure how that would work as MS would have to have the play store on its phones or run a forked version of android like Amazon. Its kinda confusing to me but that's whats gotta happen.
    02-01-2016 10:27 AM
  6. pericle's Avatar
    To my view, Paul Thurrott isn't more averse to click-bait than any other tech journalist. He'd much rather court controversy than be respected for journalistic integrity. But that's just my view.

    I tend to respect Mary Jo Foley more. In her analysis of the revenue report, she states in part:


    Source: Microsoft continues its pivot to being all about cloud services | ZDNet

    Yes, it's tempting and fun to jab at Microsoft at every opportunity, but I don't see the need to join in, I don't see the need to throw my Windows Phone in the trash because the internet told me to.
    Oh of course, anyone who writes something you agree with is an unbiased and balanced writer, people who writes things you don't agree with are biased click-bait writers. Makes perfect sense.
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    02-01-2016 10:33 AM
  7. Antonht's Avatar
    I dont think the future windows phone will run android apps. I would like to have more of these standard apps that people take for granted, but people should have more patience.
    02-01-2016 10:40 AM
  8. christenmartin's Avatar
    In North America, it certainly seems that way.

    Back when 920 and 1020 first launched, MS had a pretty big ad campaign on TV and online.

    Now, it seems that they are barely advertising their phones.

    And here in Canada, not a single carrier is carrying the 950 and 950XL. They can only be had from MS store in Canada. Back in 2013, all Canadian carriers had 920 and 1020.

    Nevertheless, I do not see MS dropping Windows Mobile any time soon.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for BlackBerry
    Yes. I keep reading what does Microsoft need to do. Market. I bought a 920 when they came out and there was a big marketing campaign. At that point wp was growing fast. That was the last time Microsoft seemed interested in selling phones. The surface is doing well but there is alot of marketing behind that devise. Until Microsoft actually acts like they want to sell phones it's all about wp being dead.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    02-01-2016 10:46 AM
  9. pallentx's Avatar
    Releasing an app is not the problem, it's that they maintain it. In the past we would often see companies finally release an app for Windows Phone only to see it languish. The success of UWP for me would be that apps are actively maintained not just released to say they have a presence on the Windows Universal App platform.
    Which is the reason for the aggressive W10 push. If every W10 device is a potential user of your app, there is an incentive to maintain a universal app for a wide customer base. The phones get the benefit. MS is letting WP do whatever it does, but will try or not try to resurrect the phone later if/when they get apps. Problem is, a lot of popular phone apps don't really make sense on tablets or desktops. So, universals apps wont get everything, but if they can shift the momentum significantly, it might be enough to give WP a chance again. It will be a year or so before we know.
    02-01-2016 10:50 AM
  10. pallentx's Avatar
    Yes. I keep reading what does Microsoft need to do. Market. I bought a 920 when they came out and there was a big marketing campaign. At that point wp was growing fast. That was the last time Microsoft seemed interested in selling phones. The surface is doing well but there is alot of marketing behind that devise. Until Microsoft actually acts like they want to sell phones it's all about wp being dead.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    They are taking a break on marketing right now. Its money down the toilet without apps. If they get apps, they marketing push will happen again.
    02-01-2016 10:52 AM
  11. chuckdaly's Avatar
    Windows Phone is dead. Windows 10 Mobile is not a direct replacement for WP, as it is not intended to compete against iOS and Android, but exists as extension of Windows 10. So while Microsoft has created a new mobile OS, and ported it to some WP8 devices, and even an Android device, W10M is no more important than Microsoft's Android and iOS development team, hence the frequent use of the term "Fans" when MS discusses W10M. At best Window Phone is a zombie. It still walks eats, but its definitely not alive. Its not just Tom Warren saying it, Paul Thurrott, the writers at WMPoweruser, and now even Dan Rubino.
    02-01-2016 11:17 AM
  12. Dato Zaqariashvili's Avatar
    windows phone is almost dead, windows 10 mobile will has a new life. i will say in 2017, if windows 10 mobile OS is dead for me. app gap is #1 problem.
    02-01-2016 11:23 AM
  13. Ruufus's Avatar
    My friends are impressed with my 950XL but are so unfamiliar with the different interface they are uncomfortable. My iPhone friends are fine with their wall garden of a static look and feel because they have a gazillion different photocollage apps. My Android friends bearly use the flexibility of their UX basically changing their background but it has enough of apps.

    Nonetheless, I love my 950XL despite its not quite 100% working OS. I enjoy the quirks usually cause I know the it happens on other OS's such as the random start. I emjoy the amazing camera and the tight integration with the overall Windows experience.

    Microsoft missed the opportunity to highlight how their UX, built-in core apps, and unique hardware made the complete hardware and software experience in Windows a DISTINGUISHING, NEEDED AND DESIRED one. Essentially Windows Phone just another option for most who just want a solid phone and a useful set of core apps. We fans see beneath the hood and the strategy but most don't and don't care.

    Remember that Microsoft is a services and subscription company at heart: Office 365, Windows 10, Groove, Xbox Live, Cortana, One Drive, Live.com account, etc. They are OK with the delivering platform being iOS, Apple OS, Android, etc. That's why alot of great MS app developement has shifted toward iOS and Android versions first and better.
    02-01-2016 11:27 AM
  14. Deepak's Avatar
    It is dead, almost. If Microsoft is still working on W10M, it's for the WM fans. WM, unlike BlackBerry, has millions of die hard fans, who won't be able to digest the termination of WM. BlackBerry's end was comparatively silent and it went almost unnoticed. But it's not the case with WM. For now at least WM won't see the buffer stop.
    02-01-2016 11:35 AM
  15. tohoshinki's Avatar
    I wish they hadn't cancelled Astoria. It would have made all the difference, even just being able to sideload would have changed things tremendously. It was the stopgap we needed.

    At the end of the day, if im stuck on an old phone running a dying platform with nary an app update in sight... being able to sideload a more recent android app and eek out a little extra functionality would have made all the difference.
    02-01-2016 12:06 PM
  16. AirdanWP's Avatar
    It's dead. MS releasing new APPs for IOS, and updating them more than the W10 version, the OS is not really polished doesn't feell it will be anytime soon, . I'm considering buying an iPhone and using Cortana, MS Keyboard and Outlook on it lol
    02-01-2016 12:16 PM
  17. theefman's Avatar
    MS releasing new APPs for IOS, and updating them more than the W10 version, ......I'm considering buying an iPhone and using Cortana, MS Keyboard and Outlook on it lol


    Case in point:



    http://microsoft-news.com/bing-searc...latest-update/



    http://www.winbeta.org/news/cortana-...-screen-widget
    02-01-2016 12:20 PM
  18. Pete's Avatar
    Oh of course, anyone who writes something you agree with is an unbiased and balanced writer, people who writes things you don't agree with are biased click-bait writers. Makes perfect sense.
    Hence the importance of making your own mind up based on what you read and not be led by sensationalistic journalism. You can take your point of view, I can take mine. I'm just not going to push my point of view to excess. I just point it out here in a vain attempt at a balanced point of view.
    02-01-2016 12:27 PM
  19. ShaneRay's Avatar
    It's dead. I don't know how someone can argue otherwise, honestly. But, they do...and that's fine: We're all only making predictions based on opinion mixed with some facts. But, as the evidence mounts, it's becoming increasingly difficult to defend the "it's alive" argument.

    I wrote a post quite a while back stating that companies never just suddenly bail on product like this. There's always an organized retreat to protect the share price and skittish investors. That's what we continue to see here.

    My prediction: The current crop of Windows Phones (available and announced) are the last hardware we'll see. The Surface Phone will not happen. Mobile may continue on in some form (tablets etc), but it won't be available on phone hardware.

    We'll see....
    Last edited by ShaneRay; 02-01-2016 at 12:57 PM.
    02-01-2016 12:41 PM
  20. ahadzivasilev's Avatar
    It's not dead. But this is definitely a bad time for anyone to get into WP. I have a L630 and I got my mom and dad a 435 and 535, which being their first smartphones are more than they need. And I don't think I'll upgrade them to W10M until I consider it stable enough. As far as I'm concerned, I'll probably need to buy a new phone this summer, but I'm not really sure I will stick to Microsoft. If they (or a partner of theirs) release a good midrange phone and W10M is stable enough for daily use, considering I am a student and rely heavily on my phone to get me through the day, I might just go with another Windows phone. If not, I will most likely get a second hand iPhone (a 6, or even 5s will do the job I need), because I have no intentions of going back to Android. So, to sum up, it's not dead, but if Microsoft don't come up with something in the next year or so, it will be.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    02-01-2016 12:55 PM
  21. editguy's Avatar
    It's not dead until Microsoft says it is. As long as they keep selling phones, it's alive. People can speculate and make all of the pronouncements about it being dead that they want, but as long as MS continues to sell phones and some people keep buying, it's alive. Tech bloggers don't run MS (thank goodness. If they did, the Surface would have been history after the first generation).
    02-01-2016 12:57 PM
  22. pericle's Avatar
    Hence the importance of making your own mind up based on what you read and not be led by sensationalistic journalism. You can take your point of view, I can take mine. I'm just not going to push my point of view to excess. I just point it out here in a vain attempt at a balanced point of view.
    Accusing authors of articles of click bait headlines and sensationalistic journalism is not a 'balanced point of view'. While I agree Thurrott is a bit negative in his assessments, that's his opinion, and I don't think he's putting up articles as click bait. And on the subject of Windows Phone, his predictions have actually been spot on.
    02-01-2016 01:12 PM
  23. christenmartin's Avatar
    Chicken and the egg. You have to have user to get app development. The app thing is worse now than it was 2 years ago. Why? Microsoft abandon wp for some reason. I switched to android and a lot of apps definitely. If I fell like ms is ready to get serious about wp I'm back on board no problem. It's a better os in my opinion, I just wish Microsoft felt that way.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    02-01-2016 01:17 PM
  24. donkiluminate's Avatar
    I don't know if it's necessarily dead but I do think MS needs to get out there and say something. Even if it's just something like "Yes, sales are horrible but we are committed to WM10 for the next XX years/moths."

    The fact that there is such speculation about WM being on life support can only speed up it's demise. Who, outside of hardcore fans, is going to drop $500+ on a phone you don't know is going to be supported for very long.

    I must not be a hardcore fan because even though I love WM I'm not willing to buy a new phone until I feel confident MS will support it for the next 2 years.
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    02-01-2016 01:24 PM
  25. bsayegh's Avatar
    Yeah, I know people don't want to say its dead. But right now its pretty dead. They may come out with a Surface Phone that changes the game, but what we have now isn't going to cut it.

    Yeah, we all generally like WP. But normal consumers don't care. They want the devices that every app is released for. They want the devices that their friends have. Yeah, WP has a bunch of apps, but its not just about that. When you see an ad for a company's mobile offerings, it also says Android and iOS. Rarely ever WP. Most popular apps don't make it on the WP until they are on the downturn of their popularity. There are hardly any bank apps for WP. Restaurants with bonus programs like Dunkin Donuts don't have a WP app.

    What does WP do RIGHT NOW that no other device can do AND that people are actually interested in? Continuum is cool, but it doesn't really address a need that anyone is waiting for. Hello is nice, but it doesn't work properly. Most of the office and MS specific apps not only exist on iOS, but they are BETTER on iOS.

    The live tiles are mostly just eye candy. They rarely display anything useful that I cant see in my notification center. Anyone who has been using an Android or iOS service for a long time is so used to the interface that they last thing that is going to draw them away is a totally different interface. They like to be comfortable and they know how to navigate their phones.

    MS may rebound and succeed in the mobile marketplace, but it wont be with WP.
    02-01-2016 01:27 PM
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