Kevin Rush
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"Dead" No. Someday, just like everything, yes. Today, actually no. People love drama and to exaggerate, meanwhile my phone still works, they still sell phones, and issue updates. Take a deep breath.
This is a fair point, but seeing the numbers really makes one wonder if developers would even bother now, especially for NA based apps, or worse, they decide to pull their app :/"Dead" No. Someday, just like everything, yes. Today, actually no. People love drama and to exaggerate, meanwhile my phone still works, they still sell phones, and issue updates. Take a deep breath.
This is a fair point, but seeing the numbers really makes one wonder if developers would even bother now, especially for NA based apps, or worse, they decide to pull their app :/
The problem is with those apps that serve no purpose on devices other than phones. For example, these grocery store apps would not have any purpose on anything but phones, so the grocery store chain would not bother to develop Universal Apps.Huh? Isn't that the point of the massive Windows 10 push, Universal Apps. Developers would make app that works across all devices. Therefore the number of WM10 users is a moot point for a developer, or should be at least.
I suspect it has nothing to do with management not having time to deal with it. I suspect it's more of a case that Microsoft just doesn't want to announce it's exiting the mobile phone market because of the negative effect it will have on their company. They're probably just trying to let it die naturally in an attempt to slip out the back door so to speak, but the problem is, it doesn't seem to be working as everyone has already caught on to them.Microsoft will probably ditch Windows phone all together soon and why not, for them its not really bringing them any financial gain, they have more than enough focus on the other departments to justify a failing element within a huge business, its a bit like a failing area of a company, they allow it to tick along for as long as it can, usually due to the fact management are focused on other areas and haven't the time to deal with the bad egg area, but then it starts to create negative feedback from external sources and you have to deal with it, usually by relocating or closing said department. I would say that they will possibly R&D the surface phone, but will get it to a certain level and then the upper management will probably and justifiably shelve the project and focus on more lucrative and easier markets as they have the choice to do that, they already have their roots spread into the opposing iOS and Android markets and can easily develop that area quicker and with less negative or financial fallout.
Since you're a developer, I am genuinally curious as to how you think the strategy of universal apps will help the mobile phone division. I can see how it makes sense for other devices and of course there is no doubt it will be handy and cool to have the same apps on your phone as your desktop. The trouble is most people want a smartphone not just an extension of their desktop device. What I mean is, how will it help for apps that only make sense on a smartphone?With universal apps there is a big chance (for MS) to change the things.
For me as a developer it's just a little effort to support mobile also when I create a Windows (desktop) app.
Some "polish" (enable specific things in the APIs) and it is a perfect plattform - billions of customers from desktop - and this could close the "app gap".
So from my point of view Desktop has a chance to make the things going for mobile...
I guess the border between "mobile" and phone will sooner or later disappear.Since you're a developer, I am genuinally curious as to how you think the strategy of universal apps will help the mobile phone division. I can see how it makes sense for other devices and of course there is no doubt it will be handy and cool to have the same apps on your phone as your desktop. The trouble is most people want a smartphone not just an extension of their desktop device. What I mean is, how will it help for apps that only make sense on a smartphone?
Regarding the grocery store chain app example, wouldn't having their app available on the PC be a plus for them? My family uses a synced OneNote list for our grocery list. Yes, mostly we access it from our Windows Phones, but each of us has, on occasion, enjoyed the convenience of accessing the list from our respective PCs to quickly add or to check on an item. Maybe grocery stores would want their app available on their customers PC to increase it's availability / convenience. A universal app would make sense for that.The problem is with those apps that serve no purpose on devices other than phones. For example, these grocery store apps would not have any purpose on anything but phones, so the grocery store chain would not bother to develop Universal Apps.
More than slightly exaggerated if you ask me. The verge has been chomping at the bit to push this story. Including holding a mock Windows Phone funeral. But it is the nature of blogs like the Verge to exaggerate, embellish, spin and outright lie to persuade the mobile community how to think about this phone.
This product is morphing from Windows Phone 7 and it is going to take time to complete. It has to be tested, torn apart and tested again. It has to have one bullet proof OS since it will be paired with its operating system with tighter integration than any other mobile platform. That takes time. Smart phone buyers don't have to wait around until that happens and many don't. And that's expected. The verge has a very simpleminded audience and simpleminded bloggers. All they have ever developed is a keen sense of selling technical dishonesty and making that mainstream. It works and it sells ad space. But that isn't the truth. Its pure sophistry
But you cannot deny the improvements in this OS and understand that its not a finished product. Usable yes, but still being developed.
Regarding the grocery store chain app example, wouldn't having their app available on the PC be a plus for them? My family uses a synced OneNote list for our grocery list. Yes, mostly we access it from our Windows Phones, but each of us has, on occasion, enjoyed the convenience of accessing the list from our respective PCs to quickly add or to check on an item. Maybe grocery stores would want their app available on their customers PC to increase it's availability / convenience. A universal app would make sense for that.
I really don't know if grocery stores would think this was an advantage, by my family does.
Is there another example of a phone only app that wouldn't have any purpose if it was accessible on the PC?
Just wondering.
The problem is with those apps that serve no purpose on devices other than phones. For example, these grocery store apps would not have any purpose on anything but phones, so the grocery store chain would not bother to develop Universal Apps.
The problem is that the web apps don't allow scanning of the loyalty card barcode, adding e-coupons directly to the rewards card, refilling prescriptions by taking a picture of the barcode. The website, even the desktop version, is pretty much useless.Web apps (project westminister) are perfect for grocery chains as they can update their website with minimal work done to the app.