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  1. Arun3's Avatar
    So here is something that I have been thinking of for the past few weeks about the future of Windows Phone. We have heard from several sources that Windows phone as we knew till now, is dead. Whether one chooses to believe it or not is his pejorative. It may just be the semantics aka Windows Phone, that is dead. But the new realm of Windows on Mobile is flourishing. Mobile is a huge part, if not the foremost one for Mr. Nadella's vision of "mobile first, cloud first" to hold true.

    So here's the thing, what if Microsoft does a Google and makes their version of "Surface" phones as the latter makes their Nexus lines? Rope in an OEM or two to manufacture and sell their mobile efforts. They can license Windows 10 to the OEMs at a reduced price or make it free for pushing MS's mobile (aka cellphone) efforts. Microsoft has been known to work closely with HP and other companies in making their current breed of svelte PCs. Why can't this happen with phones?

    I for one would like Dell to be the foremost partner and see the revival of Dell Venue Pro. It was one of the best looking phones of the bygone era (if I may say so). Dell has made Windows laptops "sexy" with their new breed of XPSs. I would like to see them do that with Windows phone.

    What do you guys think? Is it a good idea? And again, this is just a "what if" scenario. Microsoft may well make their own phones.
    Legatus and Guytronic like this.
    02-13-2016 07:53 AM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    It is what Microsoft already did with Surface Tablet. They showed a strong direction and OEMs followed. Pre-Surface, how many tablets were running Windows Desktop? Not many. Now they are everywhere and the number of OEMs offering them, as well as the number of models, is growing all the time...

    Microsoft has already hinted this is the direction they want to go. They are scaling back from pumping out the number of new releases which Nokia did every year and they want to show an example at certain price points, while allowing OEMs to fill the market.

    Here is the difference.

    Google works with an OEM (or two) each cycle to make a benchmark device. Solidly conservative on the high-end. Not all out, but very nice spec and current. Their goal is to showcase the software. To show what the Android Platform can do and encourage OEMs to use Google's platform on their hardware.

    With Surface Tablet, Microsoft created hardware in-house that was designed to show what the form factor was capable of. It brought lots of new hardware innovation to the form factor and created a vehicle for the platform. In a lot of ways, Surface changed how tablets are viewed and moved them from being a means of enticing consumers to buy into the software and spend more on consuming Apps. Surface Tablet brought about a productivity oriented revolution to tablets that makes them fit into managing our resources rather than simply marking time with games and entertainment.

    You see this duality getting mixed in more and more. Sure you can play games on Surface and get productive on the other platforms. But Surface really broke the Tablet Form Factor free of the smart phone model and pushed it out to being much less of a toy in the consumer mindset.

    Hopefully, Surface Phone can bring something unique to open up the form factor to new perceptions in the market. I expect it will be a high level reference device. I also don't look for it to try and capture the space so much as help show OEMs a new way forward. I imagine Continuum as an opening salvo...
  3. MikeX74's Avatar
    It's a good idea(in theory), but the Surface Phone, in whatever form it takes, won't solve the one issue that holds the platform back=apps. If the devs and apps don't come, it won't matter who makes it.
    Arun3, Guytronic, libra89 and 5 others like this.
    02-13-2016 08:26 AM
  4. Arun3's Avatar
    Absolutely agree... Apps are critical to the platform. People need a phone to do what other smartphones do, first, before anything else.

    via the W. Central App for Android on One plus 2.
    02-13-2016 11:47 AM
  5. PachecoCorporationCeo's Avatar
    Hmm I was just thinking about this recently.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Nexus 5x
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    02-13-2016 12:45 PM
  6. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    How is a Surface Phone going to be any different from what is out now?
    02-13-2016 12:48 PM
  7. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    How is a Surface Phone going to be any different from what is out now?
    It won't be but people are in love with the idea that it's going to reinvent the wheel. Everyone wants a shiny new toy yesterday. It'll underwhelm (because it can't teleport you through time) and still won't have Snapchat or any bank app besides Wells Fargo so the same people claiming they're going to leave today will be a saying it again.
    02-13-2016 12:54 PM
  8. Arun3's Avatar
    It won't be but people are in love with the idea that it's going to reinvent the wheel. Everyone wants a shiny new toy yesterday. It'll underwhelm (because it can't teleport you through time) and still won't have Snapchat or any bank app besides Wells Fargo so the same people claiming they're going to leave today will be a saying it again.
    You seem to know the future with certainty! ;)
    02-13-2016 03:54 PM
  9. mark233's Avatar
    or any bank app besides Wells Fargo
    USAA Bank makes a really nice app and is available for WM
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    02-13-2016 04:07 PM
  10. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    So here is something that I have been thinking of for the past few weeks about the future of Windows Phone. We have heard from several sources that Windows phone as we knew till now, is dead. Whether one chooses to believe it or not is his pejorative. It may just be the semantics aka Windows Phone, that is dead. But the new realm of Windows on Mobile is flourishing. Mobile is a huge part, if not the foremost one for Mr. Nadella's vision of "mobile first, cloud first" to hold true.
    Windows 10 Mobile is many things but "flourishing" is about the last thing that comes to mind. The weeds in my back yard are flourishing. Windows 10 Mobile hasn't even been watered yet.

    As for Nadella's vision of mobile first...
    nadella-keynote-rcm992x0.jpg
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    02-14-2016 04:54 AM
  11. Arun3's Avatar
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    On the contrary, the above pic proves my point of mobile first being on the forefront. Here is what I mean. For Nadella, also the new Microsoft, mobile does not just mean mobile phones (aka cellphones)., it means the mobility of experience, which in this case being Microsoft services like Office, Outlook, Groove and recently typing (in the form of Swift acquisition). The traditional meaning of mobile aka cellphone is dead to them. This has been explained multiple times here in the forum and else where. Also refer to my previous post:http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...10-mobile.html )

    Not too distant in the future we probably will see Microsoft services being used on all mobile platforms. An iPhone will essentially be a "Windows phone" with people using Microsoft services like the key board, to the calendar, to email, to Cortana and Office. The hardware doesn't matter; Microsoft may well own the Services part of all iPhones and Android phones combined.. To me that is "power". It is underestimated now; Microsoft is slowly and quietly playing it right without much fanfare and bruhaa. Satya is nothing short of a visionary. Microft's Windows mobile may well not include a mobile phone (a hardware) in future. Who knows! But I like the way the company is heading, creating its own distinct path and not just going with the flow.
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    02-14-2016 07:24 AM
  12. Arun3's Avatar
    How is a Surface Phone going to be any different from what is out now?
    Well, I don't now! It may be something be radically different, creating its own category. OR not have no idea! For what it is worth (http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...10-mobile.html)
    02-14-2016 07:39 AM
  13. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    You seem to know the future with certainty! ;)
    Yup I'm a psychic and my powers are telling me that the surface phone will be a phone.
    02-14-2016 08:58 AM
  14. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Yup I'm a psychic and my powers are telling me that the surface phone will be a phone.
    Are you sure about, that?


    samsung-galaxy-note-8.jpg

    I just hope we don't end up with something like this.....
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    02-14-2016 10:07 AM
  15. Arun3's Avatar
    Yup I'm a psychic and my powers are telling me that the surface phone will be a phone.
    Hahaha.. I don't think you need to be a psychic to know that a phone that's going to be released in future will be a phone.
    I was commenting on your psychic powers to know with certainty that it will underwhelm and not have Snapchat and bank apps other than WellsFargo. ;)
    02-14-2016 10:12 AM
  16. ClixT's Avatar
    How is a Surface Phone going to be any different from what is out now?
    Here just for laughs and giggles, I photoshopped this concept hahahaha :D

    spios9.jpg
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    02-14-2016 10:22 AM
  17. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Here just for laughs and giggles, I photoshopped this concept hahahaha :D

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    Lol, wow those icons sure look pretty dated, other than the colours... in terms of a static UX nothing really has moved beyond the IBM's Simon "Smartphone" . Pity the crazy geniuses behind that project didn't get the credits that they are due imo.
    Arun3 and ClixT like this.
    02-14-2016 10:30 AM
  18. ClixT's Avatar
    Lol, wow those icons sure look pretty dated, other than the colours... in terms of a static UX nothing really has moved beyond the IBM's Simon "Smartphone" . Pity the crazy geniuses behind that project didn't get the credits that they are due imo.
    I dont know anything about ios haha. I just took that photo from google lol.
    02-14-2016 10:31 AM
  19. TechFreak1's Avatar
    I dont know anything about ios haha. I just took that photo from google lol.
    Lol, fair enough :).

    ios has come along away from the first iphone, people forget it didn't have the basics like copy, paste and mms out of the gate - they came with ios 3.

    When you've used phones like the 3210 which had a simple colourless display, a grid of icons just looks bland.

    Take away the apps from ios and android, they are no different the palm pda's of years past.
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    02-14-2016 10:43 AM
  20. MikeX74's Avatar
    Here just for laughs and giggles, I photoshopped this concept hahahaha :D

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    A Surface Phone made by Apple would sell like hot cakes, mostly because Apple would actually bother to advertise it.
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    02-14-2016 11:23 AM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    It is what Microsoft already did with Surface Tablet. They showed a strong direction and OEMs followed. Pre-Surface, how many tablets were running Windows Desktop? Not many. Now they are everywhere and the number of OEMs offering them, as well as the number of models, is growing all the time...

    Microsoft has already hinted this is the direction they want to go. They are scaling back from pumping out the number of new releases which Nokia did every year and they want to show an example at certain price points, while allowing OEMs to fill the market.

    Here is the difference.

    Google works with an OEM (or two) each cycle to make a benchmark device. Solidly conservative on the high-end. Not all out, but very nice spec and current. Their goal is to showcase the software. To show what the Android Platform can do and encourage OEMs to use Google's platform on their hardware.

    With Surface Tablet, Microsoft created hardware in-house that was designed to show what the form factor was capable of. It brought lots of new hardware innovation to the form factor and created a vehicle for the platform. In a lot of ways, Surface changed how tablets are viewed and moved them from being a means of enticing consumers to buy into the software and spend more on consuming Apps. Surface Tablet brought about a productivity oriented revolution to tablets that makes them fit into managing our resources rather than simply marking time with games and entertainment.

    You see this duality getting mixed in more and more. Sure you can play games on Surface and get productive on the other platforms. But Surface really broke the Tablet Form Factor free of the smart phone model and pushed it out to being much less of a toy in the consumer mindset.

    Hopefully, Surface Phone can bring something unique to open up the form factor to new perceptions in the market. I expect it will be a high level reference device. I also don't look for it to try and capture the space so much as help show OEMs a new way forward. I imagine Continuum as an opening salvo...
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 02-14-2016 at 06:07 PM. Reason: typo monkey
    02-14-2016 05:45 PM
  22. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    The thing that is being forgotten here, is that with Surface range as it stands now, Microsoft just needed to convince the market that a hybrid tablet device made sense. The devices entered the market with its Windows OS already well proven along with the fact that it already had all the apps anyone could possibly need ie the exact opposite of Windows Phone.

    Windows Phone came to market as the underdog in both the OS and ecosystem, and that has only gotten worse, so this is where the comparison with Google Nexus ends.

    Universal Apps are still not going to solve the problem of apps that only make sense on Phones. In other words, they are still going to be in the chicken and egg situation since the Surface phone won't sell in great enough numbers due to premium price to make any difference, and OEMs won't continue to make Windows 10 mobile phones if they don't sell enough due to the app problem.

    If the app problem isn't solved then Microsoft will have to can it. Both Paul Thurrot and Mary Jo Foley on windows weekly said that while they are continuing to keep it alive, they won't do this indefinitely if it doesn't improve.

    Of course, as we all hope, perhaps Microsoft have finally found the secret formula and we'll all be looking back as the Optimists say "we told you so!". If that is the case then I, for one, will have no problem whatsoever in acknowledging they were right.

    If UWP is going to work, then surely within a year after Windows 10 phone is released to everyone, we should start seeing some dramatic results. It's no good saying after a year has passed, that we just need to give them 2 more years, as we are being told the idea of UWP is that the Windows 10 market share should be enough to drive this, not Windows 10 mobile.
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    02-14-2016 09:23 PM
  23. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Having said the above, what if Google finally relented and created some universal apps for Windows 10 ie at least Youtube and Maps, do you think that would be enough of a game changer to get people onto Windows Phone? More to the point, the fact that Google still haven't is surely telling is it not? I know many here would say they don't care about Google, but far more do and it is probably one of the main reasons for them not using Windows Phone.
    02-14-2016 09:43 PM
  24. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    On the contrary, the above pic proves my point of mobile first being on the forefront. Here is what I mean. For Nadella, also the new Microsoft, mobile does not just mean mobile phones (aka cellphones)., it means the mobility of experience, which in this case being Microsoft services like Office, Outlook, Groove and recently typing (in the form of Swift acquisition). The traditional meaning of mobile aka cellphone is dead to them. This has been explained multiple times here in the forum and else where. Also refer to my previous post:http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...10-mobile.html )

    Not too distant in the future we probably will see Microsoft services being used on all mobile platforms. An iPhone will essentially be a "Windows phone" with people using Microsoft services like the key board, to the calendar, to email, to Cortana and Office. The hardware doesn't matter; Microsoft may well own the Services part of all iPhones and Android phones combined.. To me that is "power". It is underestimated now; Microsoft is slowly and quietly playing it right without much fanfare and bruhaa. Satya is nothing short of a visionary. Microft's Windows mobile may well not include a mobile phone (a hardware) in future. Who knows! But I like the way the company is heading, creating its own distinct path and not just going with the flow.
    The not too distant future? MS has been exporting pieces of Windows Phone to other platforms for a while now. They even whored Cortana out. They've done everything in their power to make WP even more irrelevant. Nadella may be a visionary (lol). It's just that his vision doesn't include Windows Phone, W10M or it's users.
    02-15-2016 12:30 AM
  25. Arun3's Avatar
    The not too distant future? MS has been exporting pieces of Windows Phone to other platforms for a while now. They even whored Cortana out. They've done everything in their power to make WP even more irrelevant. Nadella may be a visionary (lol). It's just that his vision doesn't include Windows Phone, W10M or it's users.
    Okay.. So you seem to repeatedly miss my point of saying windows "phone" in its traditional sense is no more; it is becoming Windows on any phone (mobile). On top it, judging from your comments, you seem really frustrated. Probably best to leave it here. Enjoy your day .
    02-15-2016 06:57 AM
  26. GrandGerminator's Avatar
    In fact, they already did : The official names of the HTC 8X and 8S are "Windows Phone 8X" and "Windows Phone 8S". It changed nothing.
    02-15-2016 07:05 AM
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