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  1. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I could say some people purchase iphones due to their apparent prestige status and high prices. Middle to high class people will buy iphones due to the prestige that the phones seem to have and they wish to look as if they are ahead of others, above the rest of the people. Functionality isn't the deciding factor but the coolness factor and the price.

    Others buy them because that is what they see in majority of their friends and family. Certainly the share of iphones is higher in USA than in most other countries because of the peculiar telcom system there
    03-30-2016 11:59 PM
  2. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Most people buys Android and Windows devices because they can't afford Apple products.
    I wouldn't say that is the case with desktop computers. Gamers buy PCs (or build their own PCs), since Mac OS X doesn't have anywhere near the amount of games that are available for PC.
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    03-31-2016 12:09 AM
  3. Spectrum90's Avatar
    I wouldn't say that is the case with desktop computers. Gamers buy PCs (or build their own PCs), since Mac OS X doesn't have anywhere near the amount of games that are available for PC.
    There are a couple of small niches in which Windows does well. However, the primary cause of the Windows high market share is that Apple's products are too expensive for most part of the world population.

    As Nadella says, people don't choose Windows because they like it. Just read consumer reviews of Windows PCs and compare to Macs. Even Chromebooks are better evaluated than Windows laptops.
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    03-31-2016 12:34 AM
  4. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    There are a couple of small niches in which Windows does well. However, the primary cause of the Windows high market share is that Apple's products are too expensive for most part of the world population.

    As Nadella says, people don't choose Windows because they like it. Just read consumer reviews of Windows PCs and compare to Macs. Even Chromebooks are better evaluated than Windows laptops.
    Do you have any sources to verify your claims?
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    03-31-2016 12:35 AM
  5. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Microsoft probably has more diversity in profitable business ventures. Google has unbelievable diversity in their products, although a lot of them are almost blue-sky research projects that do not contribute to their bottom line.
    I don't think products like Skype, Surface, Lumia, XBOX, Bing, Azure and even Office 365 for consumers contribute positive numbers to the bottom line.

    Microsoft makes money from Windows, Office, server software and developer tools.
    03-31-2016 12:39 AM
  6. Guytronic's Avatar

    Most people buys Android and Windows devices because they can't afford Apple products.
    I can afford Apple products all day long.
    Why would I buy a Mac or iPhone if Android or Windows accomplishes the same task for less money?

    Not seeing your reasoning here.
    03-31-2016 12:52 AM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Apple has 18% of market share in mobile and 8% of market share in PCs.
    In both markets Apple dominates the high-end segment and takes almost all the profits.

    Most people buys Android and Windows devices because they can't afford Apple products.
    I've been using MS products since DOS 5.

    I can afford Apple products without any issues at all. I can easily get an iPhone or a Mac but I don't want them.

    I don't disagree that cost is a major consideration when it comes to buying something and sometimes people just settle. Thing is, some people just don't see the need or value in spending 1000 when 500 will do.

    I will say, with regards to MS OS updates, they're not always great and if you're not overly tech savvy you can get frustrated and annoyed using MS products. No one likes losing data or having to do clean installs. Not saying Apple users don't face similar situations sometimes but it seems less likely.
    03-31-2016 04:27 AM
  8. NICK TOALE's Avatar

    I will say, with regards to MS OS updates, they're not always great and if you're not overly tech savvy you can get frustrated and annoyed using MS products. No one likes losing data or having to do clean installs. Not saying Apple users don't face similar situations sometimes but it seems less likely.
    Apple OSX patches over the last few months haven't been smooth to apply. And taking 2-3 times longer than Windows to apply.

    Could buy Apple systems and have done but usually end up getting rid of them just as quickly as you realise how poor value they are. The wife loves her apple products iPhone, iMac, MBP but always comments the Camera is better on my Lumia, The Nav apps are better, Adobe stuff runs faster and smoother on my Win PC. In my regular field of doing Sound & Video stuff a lot of people believe apple is dominant, its not unless you go to colleges and universities. Always fun interviewing students fresh from these places who then realise that ProTools and Apple isn't really as wide spread as they have been told. Sheer look of panic on their face when you ask them if they are comfortable working in a Windows environment.
    03-31-2016 05:35 AM
  9. pankaj981's Avatar
    In both markets Apple dominates the high-end segment and takes almost all the profits.

    Most people buys Android and Windows devices because they can't afford Apple products.
    I'm not sure where your analogy about Mac dominating PC came from. The iPhone, yes its dominating the profit margin but not the devices sold. The high end segment PC is dominated by the gaming community which I'm pretty sure is more than the number of active Mac users overall and machines more expensive than the Mac. The comment about consumers choosing non-iPhone over iPhone may be true due to pricing up to a certain extent but not completely. I bought my MSI GT60 for $1700 3 years ago not because it was affordable but because it is more productive than a latest gen Mac even today. I also have a 5S lying at home which has no use but FaceTime while my wife uses a 6S, both bought off-contract, I use a 1520 because of my choice. So your first argument doesn't hold true on certain cases.
    03-31-2016 07:09 AM
  10. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Apple OSX patches over the last few months haven't been smooth to apply. And taking 2-3 times longer than Windows to apply.

    Could buy Apple systems and have done but usually end up getting rid of them just as quickly as you realise how poor value they are. The wife loves her apple products iPhone, iMac, MBP but always comments the Camera is better on my Lumia, The Nav apps are better, Adobe stuff runs faster and smoother on my Win PC. In my regular field of doing Sound & Video stuff a lot of people believe apple is dominant, its not unless you go to colleges and universities. Always fun interviewing students fresh from these places who then realise that ProTools and Apple isn't really as wide spread as they have been told. Sheer look of panic on their face when you ask them if they are comfortable working in a Windows environment.
    I work for a large company, there's no such thing as Apple anything here except for company phones. Every company I ever worked for was Windows only simply because Dell still (unfortunately?) rules the corporate world when it comes to PC.

    With any OS there is always a flaw or fault. Some are bigger than others.

    Upgrading my wife's PC from 8.1 to 10 has been frustrating and I'm very good at PC issues. I simply have to do a clean install of W10, which I'll recommned to anyone doing an upgrade. You simply have too many issues doing an upgrade in most cases and this is where MS and Windows in general fails.

    I'm not saying Windows is bad just not usually user friendly and when things go wrong people get upset. Which is why there was a switch to Apple in the first place, other than it becoming fashionable.
    03-31-2016 07:30 AM
  11. jallister's Avatar
    I could say some people purchase iphones due to their apparent prestige status and high prices. Middle to high class people will buy iphones due to the prestige that the phones seem to have and they wish to look as if they are ahead of others, above the rest of the people. Functionality isn't the deciding factor but the coolness factor and the price.

    Others buy them because that is what they see in majority of their friends and family. Certainly the share of iphones is higher in USA than in most other countries because of the peculiar telcom system there
    Or people buy iPhone because it a good phone, they like them, and it works for them in they're use cases.
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    03-31-2016 08:03 AM
  12. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Or people buy iPhone because it a good phone, they like them, and it works for them in they're use cases.
    that too of course. I did say some and not all
    03-31-2016 08:04 AM
  13. sheldon cohn's Avatar
    I have worked with PCs and Macs for years, I dealt with the hardware end. The PCs have better hardware, then Apple, I used to replace Apple keyboards and mice with PC keyboards and mice, since they seemed to hold up in computer labs, better then the Apple. Apple is made for one user, not multiple users,
    Students seem to want to use a PC over Macs, there was 3 times as many PCs in one room. When all the PCs were in use, only a few Macs were in use. Students actually waited for a PC to free, instead of jumping on a Mac.
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    03-31-2016 08:45 AM
  14. extrikate's Avatar
    Apple's success lies in simplicity and consistency.

    The average user is only needs four things: basic email, calendar, document editing/creation, and internet. Apple, Google, and Microsoft offer these experiences at pretty much the same level. Remember that tech forum members, us, are not the average users so don't argue the merits of features within these programs. The flexibility to customize is not a mass market selling point. If anything, it means that grandma can screw something up which will degrade her user experience.

    Software:
    Apple has a small library of software options, first and third party, compared to Microsoft. What they do offer though works without much effort for the basic user. Then there are "pro" offerings for those who are more advanced. Until the Mail and Calendar apps appeared in Windows 8, many Windows users were using Outlook even though they barely leveraged its capabilities. Too many menus and options could easily lead to confusion.

    Hardware: By controlling the hardware, Apple doesn't have to worry about the build quality or component compatibility of having OEM's. The buttons are always where the user expects them to be, and accesories are always available.

    Ecosystem:
    While Microsoft has far more options and features for their ecosystem that is also a huge problem. Having 5 ways to do something means that people have to make a decision and hope it is the best option for their needs. Apple removes that factor. They dictate what syncs, how thing connect and communicate with one another, and put it front and center for the user to see.

    These are the reasons that people say Apple "just works." A full mechanics tool set is great for a car enthusiast. The homeowner who just wants to change batteries in a kids toy is more than happy with a basic tool kit that has a screw driver. Could they do it with a cordless drill, sure. Do they need to, no.
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    03-31-2016 08:49 AM
  15. pbike908's Avatar
    Having owned and used Windows computers, Windows phones, Android, IOS, and Chromebooks, all have their pros and cons.

    I do believe from my own personal experience that Apple makes the highest quality products top to bottom and I do believe they have the best of the "flawed" operating systems. The combination of Iphone and IOS is the BEST personal computing experience I have ever used -- not the best in all areas for all uses, for all users, but best total integrated combined package.

    Their are solid manufacturers of Android and Windows hardware -- but unfortunately the majority of the Android and Windows devices out there are NOT well made. Sure, it's possible to get a gem or a lemon at any price point, but the quality of Apple hardware and engineering is superior.

    Hey, I don't like all Apple products -- not because of lack of quality, but because I think they aren't a good value. Case in point Mac Book 12, Ipad Pro, and Apple TV.

    For a casual computer user, I am a big fan of Chromebooks by the way...
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    03-31-2016 10:00 AM
  16. jdballard's Avatar
    However, I see no reason for that to mean I have to be all in with everything Microsoft. I guess I have a hard time understanding why some people feel like they need to be either all in or nothing.
    I don't feel the need to be all in myself, other than the fact I think that their mobile OS is better than either iOS or Android. The app gap doesn't affect me personally too much - at least nothing I can't live without but I do I understand that is not true for everyone. Perhaps I'm living ignorantly in my bubble as far as apps are concerned, but I don't feel that I'm missing out too much.
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    03-31-2016 11:11 AM
  17. libra89's Avatar
    I don't feel the need to be all in myself, other than the fact I think that their mobile OS is better than either iOS or Android. The app gap doesn't affect me personally too much - at least nothing I can't live without but I do I understand that is not true for everyone. Perhaps I'm living ignorantly in my bubble as far as apps are concerned, but I don't feel that I'm missing out too much.
    Nah, I don't think you are, you just know what you want and need, and that is very important. I actually believe that everyone should realize what is important to them, regarding apps.

    Trying out iOS and Android for a month after using WP for a few years, has made me realize what apps are actually important to me. It's one thing to have all the apps and use them, and another to have few apps and use them all, and of course, there's the middle ground.
    03-31-2016 11:21 AM
  18. GrandSpartan117's Avatar
    It's one thing to have all the apps and use them, and another to have few apps and use them all, and of course, there's the middle ground.
    I agree with this. Just last night I was looking at my wife's phone because she stated she keeps running out of space. She had well over 75 apps on the phone. We went through all of them and most of them she never even used. Comparing to myself only have a handful of apps and use most of them daily. I see my phone more as a tool for communication rather than social addiction toy. To each their own though.
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    03-31-2016 11:37 AM
  19. JPDVM2014's Avatar
    As someone who recently switched from a Lumia 1520 to an iPhone 6S+, I still vastly prefer my Lumia. The only consideration I had for switching was the lack of apps. Yes, I don't use all that many apps, but it is nice to have them available when someone says, "Hey, you should check out this app!" Other than that, and the camera speed, my 1520 runs circles around my iPhone.
    03-31-2016 11:37 AM
  20. extrikate's Avatar
    I don't feel the need to be all in myself, other than the fact I think that their mobile OS is better than either iOS or Android. The app gap doesn't affect me personally too much - at least nothing I can't live without but I do I understand that is not true for everyone. Perhaps I'm living ignorantly in my bubble as far as apps are concerned, but I don't feel that I'm missing out too much.
    I think your last sentence sums it up. Where you don't feel like you're, "missing out too much," the users of iOS and Android are unlikely to feel they are missing out at all.

    I can use the Chase Bank mobile website, but wish I had the app. There are workarounds for most missing apps, but I would rather not have to use them. The hard part is when there isn't a workaround. My family enjoys the card game Exploding Kittens. They also released an iOS and Android app. This means that if we are out and want to pass some time, they can play against each other without having to remember to bring the cards. Does this happen often? No, but the few times it has it kind of sucks. It may sound insignificant, but it's little things like that where you realize this is an "outsider" mobile OS.

    I'm happy being on Window Mobile as is evident by the fact I've used a Windows based phone since 2004. But we can't be blind to the fact that there IS an "app gap" and that the quality/support of OEM's can be questionable. If this OS is going to succeed, it needs more than just us.
    03-31-2016 11:44 AM
  21. loribinca's Avatar
    I've been using OSX El Cap for about two months now on a 2012 Mac Mini. I use scrivener on it for writing .

    Honestly. I've found the experience to be rock solid and pleasant indeed. The only thing where the mac lags is gaming.

    For creative people, it's the logical choice. because other creatives are making thier apps for it
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    03-31-2016 11:49 AM
  22. ROBBIE HALL's Avatar
    I have a small Microsoft oriented store. Yesterday a young lady walked in to purchase an iPhone. She was adamant that was what she wanted. Being a salesman as well I queried to what she wanted to do with her phone. WhatsApp, Facebook, IG, Twitter, Snapchat, watch movies, email and music.
    On hearing this I asked her which network she was on. Both she replied and pulled out another phone. At this point I had her stuck.
    I introduced her to the 640dual xl. Upgraded to w10m, bookmarked a few movie websites and explained while there was no snapchat there was glide. Set that up for her and found her friends. And in a minute or two one of her friends sent her a video message. To add the polish, i had cortana sing for her. Lol. She was elated.
    Her reasoning was that she didn't know WP "could do all of that"
    What I'm trying to say is that alot of people (here?) have been "manipulated" into thinking that WP doesn't. So it never becomes an option for them.
    Today (while writing this) she brought in another friend who purchased a 1020 as they do alot of camera work. Again she never knew of 41mp phone with access too raw images. I hope you guys understand my point.
    03-31-2016 11:52 AM
  23. erasure25's Avatar
    There are a couple of small niches in which Windows does well. However, the primary cause of the Windows high market share is that Apple's products are too expensive for most part of the world population.

    As Nadella says, people don't choose Windows because they like it. Just read consumer reviews of Windows PCs and compare to Macs. Even Chromebooks are better evaluated than Windows laptops.
    LOL! You can go on thinking that in your small world. But the rest of the business world uses PCs. If you're calling the business world small and niche... well ok ... LOL

    And LOLchromebooks are just that... no one buys them... lol
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    03-31-2016 12:09 PM
  24. jdballard's Avatar
    But we can't be blind to the fact that there IS an "app gap" and that the quality/support of OEM's can be questionable. If this OS is going to succeed, it needs more than just us.
    I'm definitely not blind to the fact there is an app gap. I was very specific in pointing out it doesn't affect me too much. Sure, occasionally at a museum or somewhere they won't have an app for Windows mobile, which doesn't bother me. I have most of the apps I personally need, but I get that the app gap is a real thing for many people. And there are some apps I would love to have that I can't get, they're not enough to sway me to jump ship. (An example being Beyond the Whiteboard for tracking my CrossFit workouts. While using Android this past week it was nice to be able to enter it before I even leave the gym because sometimes if I wait until I get home, it never gets done.)

    And I wholeheartedly agree it needs more than us. I think the universal app is a great starting point, and Microsoft's purchase of Xamarin and making it free in the community edition of Visual Studio is also a great step. If a developer can truly write it once and output a native Windows, iOS and Android app with minimal adjustments, it's a big win. They just have to convince the developers to use it. Time will tell if the strategy works, but it certainly has potential.
    03-31-2016 12:24 PM
  25. Saqib Sabih's Avatar
    I have been using WP since 2014 and I must say it's an excellent phone. Previously I was Android fan and was using Samsung Note 2. I switched to Nokia 1320 then because of Android short battery life, viruses and slow response. Now I'm using Nokia 1520 with latest fast ring W10. It's an excellent set. Although its 2013 model but it's still competing with iPhone6S plus. One thing I like about WP is live tiles. It enables you to interact with the phone as minimum as possible. Just by looking at the start screen one can get updated info instantly. Battery is excellent. No comparison with any Android or iPhone here. Most of the apps are available now. However Microsoft should introduce interactive live tiles soon to even ground with Androids and iPhones.
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    03-31-2016 12:26 PM
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