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  1. jdballard's Avatar
    Trying out iOS and Android for a month after using WP for a few years, has made me realize what apps are actually important to me. It's one thing to have all the apps and use them, and another to have few apps and use them all, and of course, there's the middle ground.
    I've been using Android for the past week. Found a few apps that I like having - Waze (where the audio actually works whereas on my WP it doesn't) and Beyond the Whiteboard come to mind. My bank has an app for Windows mobile, so I'm set there. Don't use Snapchat, so not an issue. Loved a few things about Android over the past week, but not all app related. The fact it automatically remembers my parking location (although I usually do, too) is a nice touch.

    Honestly, my phone is nothing more than an expensive Facebook checker, RSS reader, Twitter client, messaging app, and I even use it as a phone sometimes!

    One other thing I noticed not related to apps: I've been using a 5" LG K7 instead of my 950XL, and I think actually prefer the smaller form factor.
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    03-31-2016 12:34 PM
  2. jdballard's Avatar
    I have a small Microsoft oriented store. Yesterday a young lady walked in to purchase an iPhone. She was adamant that was what she wanted. Being a salesman as well I queried to what she wanted to do with her phone. WhatsApp, Facebook, IG, Twitter, Snapchat, watch movies, email and music.
    On hearing this I asked her which network she was on. Both she replied and pulled out another phone. At this point I had her stuck.
    I introduced her to the 640dual xl. Upgraded to w10m, bookmarked a few movie websites and explained while there was no snapchat there was glide. Set that up for her and found her friends. And in a minute or two one of her friends sent her a video message. To add the polish, i had cortana sing for her. Lol. She was elated.
    Her reasoning was that she didn't know WP "could do all of that"
    What I'm trying to say is that alot of people (here?) have been "manipulated" into thinking that WP doesn't. So it never becomes an option for them.
    Today (while writing this) she brought in another friend who purchased a 1020 as they do alot of camera work. Again she never knew of 41mp phone with access too raw images. I hope you guys understand my point.
    Wow. Well done. You sound like a great salesperson (and business owner). You took the time to understand the needs of the customer, found a solution that worked and went the extra mile to get her set up. Too bad AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon don't have more people like you working for them!
    Last edited by jdballard; 03-31-2016 at 01:52 PM. Reason: Added "(and business owner)"
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    03-31-2016 12:39 PM
  3. Joseph Avena's Avatar
    Android has 85% of the mobile market Apple 15% so you are wrong in your statement "Apple contains the largest percentage of the mobile market while Android and Windows Phone follow behind it."
    03-31-2016 12:49 PM
  4. dontforgetyourkale's Avatar
    Apple is still riding high on the quality of their apps and iOS compared to the early days of Android. I owned a Zune HD (best music player ever). The music and UI experience was fantastic, but the apps for it and early WP7 and WP8 devices weren't anything special. The iPod Touch was a vastly superior device for doing everything but listen to music. Android is still having this problem of their apps being 2nd fiddle to iOS development. WP is plagued with the same lack of app support and quality that earlier Android devices did. It wasn't until the Samsung Galaxy series was that first break out quality experience. Android 4.0 and 5.0 really helped to set the stage for the current successes that Google is enjoying. Android 2.3 was a good stepping stone, but fragmentation and general lack of quality control of updates (mainly b/c of the carriers) was absolutely horrendous. That led me to try Windows Phone and even consider going to an iPhone.

    Apple has always had a great marketing and advertising strategy. You are kidding yourself if you believe that Microsoft will ever beat them. They are trying to copy and compare to Apple and Google. Windows is not the same experience. I don't want a knock off experience. I want something new and different.

    Steve Ballmer lasted 5 years longer than he should have. As a Microsoft fan, I will always hold him responsible for not forcing Microsoft for being a true leader in mobile. Remember when the Palm Treo got Windows Mobile and many were excited? Yeah, I know that was almost 10 years ago. The new strategy is for Microsoft to drive devices and get their unified (responsive design) app platform to fix the app store woes of a modern version of Windows. They must have get major apps on their platform, then they will have a chance to move hardware. I need mobile banking, NFC payment, games, productivity, etc. Android has always been behind the iPad when it comes to tablets, but the pricing and tablet specific apps helped to narrow the gap. Nobody is creating as unique of an experience as Microsoft Continuum and live tiles.

    I switched back to Android because I was tired of dealing with the same problems on my Lumia 1020 that I had Droid Bionic (pre-bricking update). My ****ty experience with the Bionic is why I will never own another Motorola or Verizon device. Lack of decent notification tracking (tiles are great, but what if I don't have an app setup as a tile); carrier limited models (are you F'ing kidding me MS?); and lack of Google app support. Don't tell me Nokia Here Maps is anywhere near as good as Google Maps. I put up with it for 2 months and it still sucks. End user/business support is why Google Maps is better than Bing.

    I kept coming back to my 1020 because of the quick and responsive UI, insanely bad *** camera, and great build (metal is great, but the Nokia polymers were just as good). The top leadership team and organization structure is what has always plagued Microsoft. Say what you want about Steve Jobs, but he was far better at ensuring products and marketing were designed for the consumer. They got lazy with the iPhone 4S - 5S. The iPhone 6 feels like Samsung Clone, but the 6S was a glimpse of the post Jobs era. Sorry, I digress. Microsoft's lack of leadership and sheer clueless view of mobile has finally caught up with them. I want to go back to a Microsoft mobile device, but I'm not willing to make sacrifices anymore. I'm not going to change banks or my workflow to get the best app experience on WP. 3rd party Google Maps apps will never have the integration of Google published apps.

    The sheer power and reliability of Windows 7 set the standard of their flagship products to an unprecedented high. Windows 8 was an interesting and fresh change of pace, but developers and users were underwhelmed. RT's "desktop" interface was just plain laziness (familiar, but lazy). Microsoft's lack of market penetration in phones didn't help to sell the unified user experience. There were glimpses, but after Sinofsky left they lost the main driving force and concise vision of the future. They need a dictator that doesn't settle for the lesser experience that is being presented. Consumers expect finished products, not "we are still working on it". Microsoft will never be able to lean on developers flocking to their platform because they are #1 and you have no choice.

    I could go on about everything they and everybody else did wrong, but I doubt most have made it this far down the post. The unified strategy is a long game for Microsoft and I hope it pays off. BUT in the mean time, I am not willing to leave my current ecosystems on the hopes and dreams that they will be able to deliver the experience I see at the end of the tunnel. The Lumia 950 and 950XL are overpriced. They should have been launch at $399 and $499 respectively. They need to stop charging what they want and charge what the market demands. They need their mobile devices to be slight loss leaders now in order to make up the gap later. Let us not forget that the end user in a corporate setting is still a consumer at the end of the day. It is time for them to stop treating them as mutually exclusive entities.

    Congrats on making it through my tirade built on years of frustration. I just want to come "home" again without feeling like I made concessions to do so.
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    03-31-2016 01:17 PM
  5. sekellogg's Avatar
    I am not an Apple guy, never owned one, but several family members swear by Apple. I think one of the biggest keys is in many ways they have very aesthetically pleasing products. There is no doubt the clarity on an iPad pops. It is clear, bright and looks good. Having said that, my SP3 pops every bit as much and can do far more... Now it is about the hip factor. Apple is hip, MS is not. In the last 6 months or so it seems some of the luster has worn off of Apple with users. The last few phones haven't wow'd. I'll stick with my 950, SP3 and be very happy with both.
    03-31-2016 01:23 PM
  6. v535's Avatar
    Not once I've seen MS/Nokia's advertisement(s) on Living Images or superior camera, lag-free experience even when phone storage is near zero etc, Only one ad, I watched was during L920 timeline when Shahrukh Khan was endorsing Lumias with CityLens feature of Here maps.
    03-31-2016 01:31 PM
  7. vincentwansink's Avatar
    If Microsoft had placed its product in the hands of every Kardashian and sports star, for free like Apple did, the mushed brained market that buys based on whos who having things would have come MS's way.
    The Kardashians, though they do now use iPhones, also still use Blackberries. That hasn't helped Blackberry much. Besides, Microsoft does a lot of product placement in non-reality tv shows.
    03-31-2016 01:33 PM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    The Kardashians, though they do now use iPhones, also still use Blackberries. That hasn't helped Blackberry much. Besides, Microsoft does a lot of product placement in non-reality tv shows.
    Microsoft put the Surface in the sidelines at NFL games, and they were called iPads.
    03-31-2016 01:53 PM
  9. robert beadles's Avatar
    What about apples philosophy vs. MS.

    Apple = A device for every user and a device for every purpose.

    MS = multiple users per device and each device with multiply uses.

    In addition MS and Apple have a difference in A Families, thought as well.

    Apple you can add devices, have to control security at the devices level. Parental controls/employee controls.

    MS you add users to you Family/Business. And Control is at the user account level not device level.

    MS I feel has a more budget friendly model for devices, and easer to manage controls as a parent. Manage once at account level update all devices.

    Apple I feel looks to get the most money for Apple, and the markets it as being better for the consumer ($100 more for increase in 16 GB on the budget phone, never allow and SD card on any phones)
    03-31-2016 01:57 PM
  10. midnightfrolic's Avatar
    This debate again? Simple answer is use one single ecosystem and product line only (MS, Apple, or Google). They're all pretty good.

    I've gone all Windows 10 recently. With OneDrive, it pretty seamless mobility speaking. I find it easier to use and more feature rich. For productivity, Windows ecosystem is still top IMO. For security, I only use the built-in Windows security solutions. Adblockers and custom HOSTS file stops 99% of malware these days. I get the same amount of work done regardless.

    If you're looking for the latest apps, then Apple ecosystem is for you. Snapchat anyone? Apple ecosystem is very solid and proven it's worth. Very good graphics and video editing platform. Easy to use relatively speaking. Security is better than Windows on any given day, but your mileage may vary. Apple's iCloud mobility solution is very solid, but more costly IMO compared to Office 365 with free 1TB OneDrive storage, but yes you can get Office 365 for Apple. But then again, you're using a Microsoft product, not an Apple exclusive product. On the other hand, you buy Apple products to be hip and keep up with the Jones, to one-up one another. Been there done that. No fun at all.

    What really chaps my bums is when peeps use Windows computer, MacBook, and Android smartphone and expects everything to work and sync everything seamlessly. Ain't gonna happen. If it does, it's a ***** to manage and work with. MS is making great strides with OneDrive though. DropBox, Box, Mega...all great solutions also.

    Maybe it's just me, but I feel Apple products and the whole social generation is a "HEY LOOK AT ME" generation. ME ME ME!! I'd rather buy a no-name brand for a fraction of the cost and do more. If one argues that XXX platform doesn't have YYYY apps or stuff, then it's probably not for you anyways. If one is finding reasons to justify leaving a platform, then it's not for you anyways.
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    03-31-2016 02:21 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    What really chaps my bums is when peeps use Windows computer, MacBook, and Android smartphone and expects everything to work and sync everything seamlessly. Ain't gonna happen. If it does, it's a ***** to manage and work with. MS is making great strides with OneDrive though. DropBox, Box, Mega...all great solutions also.
    OK, so I guess this means I "chap your bum". Throw in iPads and Android tablets as well. And yes, they all work together, and seamlessly I might add. I'll wager it is a much more complete and hassle-free system than those using Microsoft-only, "complete" being the main distinction here.
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    03-31-2016 02:24 PM
  12. libra89's Avatar
    OK, so I guess this means I "chap your bum". Throw in iPads and Android tablets as well. And yes, they all work together, and seamlessly I might add. I'll wager it is a much more complete and hassle-free system than those using Microsoft-only, "complete" being the main distinction here.
    This. I guess my sister will do that to Midnight too. She isn't interested in an iPhone but enjoys her Macbook and her old Galaxy S3. I also have friends who are just like my sister with an Android phone, iPad and Windows computer.

    Sorry, even if I had a Windows 10 Mobile phone, that doesn't mean that I should upgrade my laptop to Windows 10. It's not really a huge deal, people use what they want. Even on WP 8.1, I wasn't all in, it just happened that way.
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    03-31-2016 03:00 PM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    I also have friends who are just like my sister with an Android phone, iPad and Windows computer.
    This right here is my favorite setup: Windows for PC, iPad for tablet, and Android for phone.
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    03-31-2016 03:02 PM
  14. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Apple has 18% of market share in mobile and 8% of market share in PCs.
    In both markets Apple dominates the high-end segment and takes almost all the profits.

    Most people buys Android and Windows devices because they can't afford Apple products.
    Not true at all.
    I can afford to go buy a new IPhone 6s, ipad pro, ipad 9.7pro, all the trimmings the 10k watch right now if I want. I just don't like it.

    I have no desire to buy apple products, and purchase Microsoft products because I want to, not because I cannot afford apple products. Maybe I will sell one of my watches and buy a new house!
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    03-31-2016 04:40 PM
  15. mayconvert's Avatar
    "My iPhone freezes, reboots, and apps crash(even more so) than on my 950xl. "

    That is complete BS or you are so used to a crappy, crashing OS that you don't even know your device has a software or hardware issue.
    I have an iPhone 6S+, Galaxy S7, and a WP. (not on windows 10) and None of them crash and reboot or freeze on a weekly or even Monthly.
    I have had ONE random reboot on my WP, and Once on an android device (LG G3- old phone I used to have).
    My iPhone never freezes, apps don't crash, and has NEVER rebooted on its own a single time in the last 6 months.
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    03-31-2016 05:59 PM
  16. editguy's Avatar
    "My iPhone freezes, reboots, and apps crash(even more so) than on my 950xl. "

    That is complete BS or you are so used to a crappy, crashing OS that you don't even know your device has a software or hardware issue.
    I have an iPhone 6S+, Galaxy S7, and a WP. (not on windows 10) and None of them crash and reboot or freeze on a weekly or even Monthly.
    I have had ONE random reboot on my WP, and Once on an android device (LG G3- old phone I used to have).
    My iPhone never freezes, apps don't crash, and has NEVER rebooted on its own a single time in the last 6 months.
    Report: iOS 9.3 Hyperlink Bug Crashes Apps | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
    03-31-2016 08:06 PM
  17. midnightfrolic's Avatar
    OK, so I guess this means I "chap your bum". Throw in iPads and Android tablets as well. And yes, they all work together, and seamlessly I might add. I'll wager it is a much more complete and hassle-free system than those using Microsoft-only, "complete" being the main distinction here.
    So if you create a calendar event in a Macbook on OSX Calendar and a new contact in OSX address book, it auto syncs to your Windows 10 desktop computer and Android phone, and vice versa in Windows People/contacts and Calendar app? That is news to me. Last I checked OSX address book and Calendar only syncs via iCloud, which would be a 3rd party app on Windows. And it does not work well either.

    What about the files and photos you create and take? Do those auto sync to all 3 ecosystems devices?

    How would your general public 70 year old grandmother manage all that themselves?

    It's nice that we can all do it because know how, but for the general public it's a nightmare using different ecosystem devices.

    EDIT: what I'm saying is using the same ecosystem devices works very well together. But different ecosystem devices poses a problem for most peeps.
    Last edited by midnightfrolic; 03-31-2016 at 10:50 PM.
    03-31-2016 10:35 PM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    So if you create a calendar event in a Macbook on OSX Calendar and a new contact in OSX address book, it auto syncs to your Windows 10 desktop computer and Android phone, and vice versa in Windows People/contacts and Calendar app? That is news to me. Last I checked OSX address book and Calendar only syncs via iCloud, which would be a 3rd party app on Windows. And it does not work well either.

    What about the files and photos you create and take? Do those auto sync to all 3 ecosystems devices?

    How would your general public 70 year old grandmother manage all that themselves?

    It's nice that we can all do it because know how, but for the general public it's a nightmare using different ecosystem devices.

    EDIT: what I'm saying is using the same ecosystem devices works very well together. But different ecosystem devices poses a problem for most peeps.
    I primarily use Google's services for personal use. Android and iOS obviously have apps. Computers have browsers. All calendar events are done in calendar.google.com on the PC and Macbook, and of course with the apps on mobile. My Macbook even has a desktop notification for Google calendar events.

    I have Google Drive installed and it syncs to its local folder on the computers. All files sync to that. Photos are set to back up automatically when taken, and they also sync to their own folder in the local Google Drive folder.

    I guess you could say I use one ecosystem, with 3 different companies' platforms. A 70 year old Grandma could easily set that up. Setting it up takes little more time than it took for me to write this!
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    03-31-2016 11:03 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    So if you create a calendar event in a Macbook on OSX Calendar and a new contact in OSX address book, it auto syncs to your Windows 10 desktop computer and Android phone, and vice versa in Windows People/contacts and Calendar app? That is news to me. Last I checked OSX address book and Calendar only syncs via iCloud, which would be a 3rd party app on Windows. And it does not work well either.

    What about the files and photos you create and take? Do those auto sync to all 3 ecosystems devices?

    How would your general public 70 year old grandmother manage all that themselves?

    It's nice that we can all do it because know how, but for the general public it's a nightmare using different ecosystem devices.

    EDIT: what I'm saying is using the same ecosystem devices works very well together. But different ecosystem devices poses a problem for most peeps.
    It all depends on what programs/apps people use. I use Windows and Android devices (no iOS/OS X). However, I don't use People/Contacts/Calendar. I use Outlook (the desktop client on my PCs and the app on my Android devices). Outlook manages all of my accounts (outlook.com, Gmail, 2 others).

    OneDrive syncs photos on Windows and Android devices. Google Photos works in a browser on desktop Windows as well as the Android app. So my photos are backed up to 2 different cloud services (OneDrive and Google Photos).
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    03-31-2016 11:10 PM
  20. Bloobed's Avatar
    What Apple has reallized is that customers are, somewhat ironically, less likely to complain about a product with a high price tag. Less complaining gives a better perception. It also helps that Apple very very rarely completely drops the ball, like Ms / Nokia have done repeatedly.
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    03-31-2016 11:44 PM
  21. editguy's Avatar
    What Apple has reallized is that customers are, somewhat ironically, less likely to complain about a product with a high price tag. Less complaining gives a better perception. It also helps that Apple very very rarely completely drops the ball, like Ms / Nokia have done repeatedly.
    They drop the ball frequently. They just don't get the bad press because they are the darling of tech writers.
    04-01-2016 12:42 AM
  22. hemanlive's Avatar
    Exactly, I think most people miss the point he wanted to make in the first place. He was saying that people randomly pick up an windows phone, while most of their stuff is on iCloud and complain that things just don't work on Windows. Replace the phone with a PC or a tablet and the problem will still be the same. Although I have seen a feature in Windows 10 now to even sync with iCloud. So even those problems are a thing os past.
    I think the biggest reason for windows dismal performance is that most Android and Apple users don't even know what windows phone is all about. they have never even tried it and won't be doing so unless they start using it on their PCs and over the course of time realize that the phone is also pretty much the same.
    04-01-2016 02:37 AM
  23. n m's Avatar
    I think HoloLens is an amazing product. Looks cool, lets say $599 at retail as a guess. Should sell OK.

    Option 2: Licence it to Apple, very importantly- paint it silver and add the Apple logo. Charge $1,999 and watch it become the next biggest thing to sweep the world. The lemmings and hipsters will be tripping over themselves to buy 2 each, camping out for weeks in advance to be the first to own one of Apples new world leading inventions.
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    04-01-2016 03:05 AM
  24. Jeddic's Avatar
    Android has 85% of the mobile market Apple 15% so you are wrong in your statement "Apple contains the largest percentage of the mobile market while Android and Windows Phone follow behind it."
    While you are correct that Android does have more of the market, in many areas in the US you will run into few Android users. Here in the city where I live, I'd guesstimate that 85% or more of the people I keep close contact with use iPhones. And many of them assume that everyone else does too.
    04-01-2016 03:54 AM
  25. Jeddic's Avatar
    I think Microsoft overall is a better company, and does more for its customers. That said, Microsoft is still playing catchup on the mobile front, and on the branding and name recognition. Microsoft has a bad reputation in some regions, and their software is widely considered to be bug-ridden and unsecure. Microsoft is doing good things, but they need to step up quality at release, and their branding efforts. The MS brand will have to be repaired before they can compete toe-to-toe with Apple.
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    04-01-2016 04:06 AM
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