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  1. DavidinCT's Avatar
    From 2.5% share in 1st qtr 2015 to .7% share in 1st qtr 2016.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Smartphone Sales Grew 3.9 Percent in First Quarter of 2016
    Yep, just like my last post in this thread. It's hard not to see that happening, things Microsoft has been saying for years...ITS COMING and years later nothing. They are NOT focusing on Mobile this year...and that is clearly showing...

    The problem is, when they actually start "focusing on mobile" again, they will find out it's too late... They had their chance and screwed it up again... just like many other great Microsoft products.
    05-24-2016 05:00 PM
  2. sd4f's Avatar
    The problem is, when they actually start "focusing on mobile" again, they will find out it's too late... They had their chance and screwed it up again... just like many other great Microsoft products.
    I'm really thinking that's the case. By next year, they just won't have anyone to push to. Are they going to rely on bored android or iOS users? or hipsters who want something that no one else is using? So many users have switched already, that they'll launch a product to a market which actively chooses against the platform in favour of its competitors.

    I'm really miffed about the whole approach from MS, as there's a lot of stuff that's really good with WP, and they just seem to be so stubborn in their ways, that it seems like as if they want to kill it. I think the thing that really hurt it is the chopping and changing. They haven't been able to choose a direction and stick with it.

    The surface phone needs to be nothing short of perfect. It needs to be revolutionary. It needs killer features that no one else has. It needs the app gap sorted too. Currently the strategic problem with apps is, I don't think many people are developing apps for windows platform and turning a significant profit from it. This needs to turn around, because it currently looks like developers are doing MS a favour if they develop for the platform. Obviously, you can't have developers working for free, so it really needs to become profitable to develop for the platform.
    05-24-2016 06:50 PM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    From 2.5% share in 1st qtr 2015 to .7% share in 1st qtr 2016.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Smartphone Sales Grew 3.9 Percent in First Quarter of 2016
    You should remember to put a 0 in front of a decimal point I almost thought that said 7% LOL!
    05-25-2016 01:44 AM
  4. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I'm really thinking that's the case. By next year, they just won't have anyone to push to. Are they going to rely on bored android or iOS users? or hipsters who want something that no one else is using? So many users have switched already, that they'll launch a product to a market which actively chooses against the platform in favour of its competitors.

    I'm really miffed about the whole approach from MS, as there's a lot of stuff that's really good with WP, and they just seem to be so stubborn in their ways, that it seems like as if they want to kill it. I think the thing that really hurt it is the chopping and changing. They haven't been able to choose a direction and stick with it..
    When Windows Phone 7 came out, they went ALL out on it, buying Nokia, pushing phones, top ads for a long time (first year or so), I mean every football game there was at LEAST 3-4 ads for Windows Phone. They PAID off the top 10 devs to create apps and after many billions of dollars, they didn't get a major return. After all this major push, it maxed out around 4-4.5% of the GLOBAL marketshare. No promotion for retailers so, it was never pushed (this is where MS should did a lot of focus).

    So many dreams came out of Microsoft's mouth for Windows Phone and if everything came to light, it could of been what they wanted and all the dreams WE have for the OS...

    Trust me, I feel your pain and agree with you. I was one who was here from the VERY start, I came DIRECTLY from a PocketPC 6.1 device. Microsoft all the way for MANY YEARS (started with a HPC 1.0 all the way up to current)....

    The surface phone needs to be nothing short of perfect. It needs to be revolutionary. It needs killer features that no one else has. It needs the app gap sorted too. Currently the strategic problem with apps is, I don't think many people are developing apps for windows platform and turning a significant profit from it. This needs to turn around, because it currently looks like developers are doing MS a favour if they develop for the platform. Obviously, you can't have developers working for free, so it really needs to become profitable to develop for the platform.
    It could be made of 18K solid gold and with EVERY feature known to man that could be possable, It's still not going to change much. Microsoft is clearly not interested in promoting it and spending the money to grow marketshare. It could be the PERFECT phone, the fans will buy it but, cant see many iOS or Android users coming over. Just because the phone is perfect, it needs the support path to be PERFECT and Microsoft does not want to invest it.

    Riddle me this, If you were not a Windows Phone fan, FIRST time Smartphone buyer, As you look at the options.... Android has about 65%, iOS around 15-20%, and Windows Phone around 1.5% of the market, No local apps, No tap to pay features, outdated other apps. Then you look over your other options, vast hardware support, every app that you can dream of. Would you sign a 2 year contract or pay $500+ on a phone with support like this ?

    Personally for me, I dont think I would buy another Windows Phone unless Microsoft shows that they want to grow it and it's sad to say, with cutting 1850 jobs and No promition at all, by the time they change their mind and want to promote it, it will be too late...too far to start over.

    The dream is over...it really is..
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 05-25-2016 at 10:24 AM.
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    05-25-2016 08:58 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    My take on all this.

    If we look at the current mobile market we currently see a dualopoly. Android or iOS. They have everything going for them currently, from apps to hardware to market share.

    MS, going by their own words, has decided not to combat the status qua as it stands. That means they obviously have a different take on things. Thing is, will anyone care?

    That is the true question.

    So they bring out a 'Surface Phone'. It runs x86 apps, uses Contiuum and has UWP. Do the majority of smartphone users really care about this stuff? Would they really want a full computer on a phone?

    Can't really answer that question. It was the dream at one point in the past but I think the so called 'Surface Phone' is a starting point, a beginning. It won't be a great selling phone simply because mind shift will take time.

    The question will be will the mind shift happen? Will the UWP apps come? Who knows?

    It's hard to predict the future and harder for any of us to know MS plans. We can only speculate. Whether what they are doing is going to increase market share or be popular is something they can't even answer.
    05-25-2016 09:35 AM
  6. Roger Rios1's Avatar
    Lumia is not dead yet, Microsoft will continue to produce phones but in a smaller range.
    Surface phone is a fact and will be available next year.
    Source:
    Microsoft will ?Scale Back? Lumia and Windows Smartphone Operations - WinBuzzer
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    05-25-2016 10:43 AM
  7. Sunil Kumar Swain's Avatar
    Windows phone is not dead. Microsoft is just focussing on UWP more just for the simple reason that phones are not selling because of lack of apps. If things just work out we may find a well equiped windows store and in the meanwhile may have already achieved a well developed is which is going on at the moment with the Lumia experimenting the os and paving the path for a killer device to be announced later on. All that is required of MS is that they keep up to promises, meet deadlines and thereby keep our hopes running.
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    05-25-2016 11:39 AM
  8. Aranya Tantu's Avatar
    The question is will MS continue to make Lumia branded phones or not ?
    05-25-2016 11:40 AM
  9. Sunil Kumar Swain's Avatar
    Microsoft will continue to make Lumia for sure. For getting the UWP up and going Microsoft needs to be keeping the mobile phone market up and hence Lumia phones will continue to show up though fewer models, until it does not get other manufacturers making phone on the Windows OS.
    05-25-2016 11:53 AM
  10. fdalbor's Avatar
    Microsoft has written off the Nokia hardware business, they have sold the feature business and have let go of most of the Nokia people, they have done everything they can to promote their software on Android and IOS over their own OS. Now tell me what have they done to promote their own phones. How blatant can they get about killing off W10 on phones.
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    05-25-2016 12:14 PM
  11. Great deal's Avatar
    MS has one OS across devices, they are working on improving what they have, Lumia brand is linked to Nokia, that era is over (for now) and they would be foolish to keep the Lumia brand. Surface is a successful brand, pushed to business and they will continue to do so. The Surface phone will be pushed as a business device (not consumer ad MS are not targeting consumer from what I see) . A successful delve into enterprise will have a knock on effect on consumer such as Blackberry did. They will be back, stronger OS, great devices, sadly the time for that to happen is not today, tomorrow but 'coming soon' TM
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    05-25-2016 12:35 PM
  12. Sunil Kumar Swain's Avatar
    As you know the surface phone is to come out in three versions taking into consideration business, fans and normal consumers
    05-25-2016 12:55 PM
  13. sd4f's Avatar
    When Windows Phone 7 came out, they went ALL out on it, buying Nokia, pushing phones, top ads for a long time (first year or so), I mean every football game there was at LEAST 3-4 ads for Windows Phone. They PAID off the top 10 devs to create apps and after many billions of dollars, they didn't get a major return. After all this major push, it maxed out around 4-4.5% of the GLOBAL marketshare. No promotion for retailers so, it was never pushed (this is where MS should did a lot of focus).
    The question is, will the Surface Phone relaunch of sorts get 4-5% again? It's going to flop, that I can be quite confident in predicting.

    MS was never going to come out late and launch a phone OS and get immediate significant adoption of it, the problem I have is that they've had two false starts now and the realisty behind that is, the race around them has just continued while they were late to start, and then rushed back to the start line two times, and I think that's just showing why they've struggled to get any momentum. The app gap was a bigger problem back then, because there were heaps of apps which just weren't there. There was promise, though, whereas now, it's just obvious that the platform is in decline. Couple that with the strong contagion of a declining platform in the media, MS can't ignore that. Their advertising and marketing needs to address all of that.

    In hindsight, WP8, while the OS was good, it was a completely wasted effort. Why did they burn up all that good will and annoy so many customers by abandoning WP7, only to give up on WP8 three years later? Why spurn so many developers too? Why waste the momentum from WP7 by flicking the reset switch? I know they were going to change names, but what I'm referring to here is how with each major iteration, there essentially is no forward compatibility. Have apple or google done that where a change to the OS makes new apps no longer compatible with older versions?

    It could be made of 18K solid gold and with EVERY feature known to man that could be possable, It's still not going to change much. Microsoft is clearly not interested in promoting it and spending the money to grow marketshare. It could be the PERFECT phone, the fans will buy it but, cant see many iOS or Android users coming over. Just because the phone is perfect, it needs the support path to be PERFECT and Microsoft does not want to invest it.

    Riddle me this, ...

    The dream is over...it really is..
    My point was that it's a big ask, that nothing short of perfection will solve the problem, and even then, they need a large component of luck. So the reality is, like you said, it is over, and I agree with your sentiment. I don't think UWP is the solution, clearly we don't have a situation where developers are falling over themselves to release those apps, and while a surface phone that runs x86 apps would bring something very different to the table, I still don't know whether it could do it.

    I entered smartphones with an android phone. I got a SGS1 and it was a heap of junk. Incredibly buggy, and completely lacked support to fix it. I'm generally not an apple person, so I went with WP as an alternative. I liked what I saw, and I got a L920 at launch, which I'm still using. I like the OS, I like the UI, initially it was missing a lot of desperately needed features, but WP8.1 fixed most of that. To answer your question, I didn't really give WP a look in when I first entered, so I seriously doubt I would now.

    I want the platform to succeed, but like you've pointed out, there's absolutely no coherent message of support for it to succeed, and by the time next year rolls around, that's a lot of wasted time. If my phone dies and I have to get a replacement, in the foreseeable future, I'm out, unless I can get a W10M phone really cheap, I'll probably go to android.
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    05-25-2016 08:44 PM
  14. MSFanboy2's Avatar
    With the latest news, I believe Windows Phone for consumers is definitely dead. MS may try to win corporate deals but honestly, companies don't make decisions;people running those companies do and more and more of them are starting to love Apple and its eco-system.
    Biggest loss here is giving up on the possible eco-system. Windows Phone kept me in play for Windows eco-system. With no consumer centric phone device and more and more Windows services being made available on Apple and Android devices, i don't feel a need to buy any windows product now.
    i don't see people excited by the concept of continuum and UWP at my workplace, i'm sure that will be the case at a good number of other places too. It may be just my disappointed self speaking but giving up on Windows Phone for consumers is not fair on the loyalists even though it may make $$ sense.
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    05-25-2016 09:48 PM
  15. Felipeicd's Avatar
    With the latest news, I believe Windows Phone for consumers is definitely dead.
    I think you're right, worth all the latest news it seems that windows 10 mobile was a failure and it only be for enterprises, make sense thou



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    05-25-2016 10:13 PM
  16. Scotty_doesknow's Avatar
    Been a windows phone user for quite sometime. The days of the Treo & Samsung Blackjack running Windows mobile 4 & 5 to be exact. This current news of consolidation & writing off the Nokia purchase is definitely a backward move after slow progress forward. My take here is that now Windows mobile has returned to the days of the past. One or two random consumer phones will be released for diehards. The rumored Surface phone will be the equivalent of a Treo tablet. Microsoft is smart to focus on retaining its PC customers because the bottom line is essential & development is far more promising in this area. In a strange way, Microsoft may be ahead of the curve as phablets evolve. Anyone else been a user for sometime? What are your thoughts on the future? Glaze into the crystal ball & bring the noise
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-25-2016 10:37 PM
  17. Alyaniff's Avatar
    Don't forget that Microsoft's current strategy is to strengthen Windows 10 as the One Core and focus on widespread adaptation of Universal Windows Application (UWP). It doesn't matter if the Lumia name is abolished, it's just some kind of shell. The most important thing is the inside. When it is launched, Windows 10 will cross any hardware barrier and any devices with any Windows 10 iteration will run the same apps because of UWP. At least this is what I understand from what Microsoft has told the public. Try for once to get out of the bodily(shell) attachment and see the big picture. Microsoft is a software company first but they also have the high competency in producing high quality hardware like the Surface, X-box and Lumia products. So for them to roll out another great product like the Lumia was is doable. Have faith and have fun Its not that I'm a Microsoft fanatics but sometimes I am put off by those who advocate the Windows Phone / Mobile is dead campaign and the pessimists in Windows mobile users. Chill out, keep giving Microsoft those usage feedback and just relax and wait for it to unveil.
    05-25-2016 10:41 PM
  18. Scotty_doesknow's Avatar
    Very well said. The big picture is what Microsoft is focusing on here. The dead/alive discussions are generic at best & often end in arguments. Carpenters don't argue over which tools should or shouldn't exist. They embrace the diversity of tools to add to their arsenal. Microsoft has a very solid plan here simply by adapting to change.
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    05-25-2016 10:56 PM
  19. squire777's Avatar
    It was painful going on tech sites and reading all the misinformation about how Windows Phone is dead, and reading things written almost in a celebratory tone. Even the windows phone sub reddit was painful to read today with all of the trolls coming out of hiding and having a laugh about how WP was dead.

    I just hope MS gets some kick *** hardware out soon to shut the idiots up.
    05-25-2016 11:47 PM
  20. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    It was painful going on tech sites and reading all the misinformation about how Windows Phone is dead, and reading things written almost in a celebratory tone. Even the windows phone sub reddit was painful to read today with all of the trolls coming out of hiding and having a laugh about how WP was dead.

    I just hope MS gets some kick *** hardware out soon to shut the idiots up.
    Sorry... I'm certainly not a ***** and I firmly believe that the phone division is dead. Way too much time has passed, too many people let go, and too much money has been spent with nothing to show the shareholders for it.

    They may come out with a enterprise solution in a 6-8" tablet but I sincerely doubt that they will release another phone. There's no real money in it for them. All they have to do is to keep farming out their software so that it can be used on any Apple iPhone or Android smartphone. They can continue to bundle their cloud services along with them.

    I look to see Cortana to be able to move in on Google more than ever before now so Microsoft can take efficient usage stats from the largest market too.

    IF this tablet doesn't work fully and can use all of the apps that the Surface and PCs use I don't think it will be widely accepted,but I suspect that for Enterprises wanting another dumb portable terminal it may work well. They certainly don't want to cannibalize Surface sales in doing this.

    It's really sad to see the consumer phone division killed off. I had high hopes of it really being energized with a flagship Surface phone.

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    05-26-2016 12:23 AM
  21. calinib's Avatar
    I think mr Nadela is not giving a damn about W10M. It's all about the money. Problem for MS is that they didn't understand that the future stands in Mobiles. Their cloud approach is on the edge, because allmost every IT company can do a cloud server service. I think (hope to be wrong) that the future of the MS company itself is in danger. For the fans I have an advice: don't get drunk with plain water !
    05-26-2016 12:50 AM
  22. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    Finnish shop steward says that they were implementing the previous new strategy. New products didn't get out before decision to ditch consumer and value devices and now all the plans are down the toilet.

    Hopefully someday we get to know what they were cooking...
    05-26-2016 01:13 AM
  23. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    With the latest news, I believe Windows Phone for consumers is definitely dead.
    My thoughts exactly. My 640 will live for a while (Redstone any good?), but upgrade comes from Team Android. It will be interesting to see what Nokia brand will bring to the market ;)
    05-26-2016 01:25 AM
  24. mohit9206's Avatar
    I don't know why Windows Central ignored the news of WP dropping below 1% market share.They are probably too embarassed after Daniel Rubino wrote editorial articles every week arguing why WP isn't dead.However if the news had been say WP market share increased 0.5% the Windows Central would've been the first to break the news on the internet.Funny how it is ,isn't it?
    05-26-2016 02:24 AM
  25. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The question is will MS continue to make Lumia branded phones or not ?
    Microsoft will continue to make Lumia for sure. For getting the UWP up and going Microsoft needs to be keeping the mobile phone market up and hence Lumia phones will continue to show up though fewer models, until it does not get other manufacturers making phone on the Windows OS.
    Lumia is not dead yet, Microsoft will continue to produce phones but in a smaller range.
    Surface phone is a fact and will be available next year.
    Source:
    Microsoft will ?Scale Back? Lumia and Windows Smartphone Operations - WinBuzzer
    I highly doubt you'll see another Lumia branded phone. With Nokia returning to the mobile market it will just confuse consumers. They're going to distance themselves from the Lumia brand completely which is a smart business decision. With them basically writing off the entire Nokia Hardware division and laying off what's left of the staff I wonder what, if anything they will make.

    Forget about WP it doesn't exist any more. It's W10M for a reason as a way of re-branding and restarting, yet again. The last of the Lumias will be the 950 and 650. After that it will be whatever name they plan to give the phones in the future, if they plan to make phones that is.

    Though I know everyone goes on about the 'Surface Phone' I personally see that as confusing. But that's me.
    05-26-2016 02:49 AM
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