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  1. slivy58's Avatar
    I swear..... Can someone show me a mobile OS that doesn't have bugs?
    You are absolutely right, every OS has bugs but it depends on how those bugs play a role in affecting the daily usage of one’s device, going back to the late 80s I’m hard pressed to find any OS I’ve used first hand that created so much havoc as W10M has.

    I don't know where the complaints are coming from. Oh WAIT!! Could it be complaints from people running a beta on a device not meant to run it? Hrmmm.
    My 830 received its W10M upgrade via my carrier and is far from stellar, very disjointed compared to W8.1, don’t remember seeing “beta” stated anywhere for this upgrade and do believe MS included my device in the list of WPs “meant” to run it.

    None of this is "news", it's "news" to the easily scared.
    I think it has more to do with WP users being pissed off than being scared. MS has taken us on an unwieldy journey with the inception of W10M, which leaves many wondering as to whether they’ll be the ones getting laid off next, in other words, after many put their heart and soul into this ecosystem will they be left kicking the curb holding a redundant platform?
    Last edited by Elky64; 05-27-2016 at 08:04 PM.
    05-27-2016 06:50 PM
  2. slivy58's Avatar
    What someone wants and needs are subject to stubbornness, people are stubborn regardless of their stance on anything. Some won't reset their devices until you tell them that yields the best results. I used to act the same way, now it's just compulsory to reset my Android/Windows hardware.
    No platform in my experience has ever required so much due diligence in attempts to hopefully gain uniformity and satisfactory results, those resets that seem to be a prerequisite for W10M have become asinine IMO and just shows how poorly the OS has been implemented.

    Own/owned many an Android devices and can count on one hand the amount of times a reset of any kind was required to achieve stability, ditto for IOS… The majority of the people I know own one or the other and rarely is it a commonality there either.
    Last edited by Elky64; 06-07-2016 at 09:12 PM.
    05-27-2016 07:28 PM
  3. cribbcaleb's Avatar
    What is even more disturbing is the state of the lumia 950 line on wm10.
    I may just have a dud, but my 950 is less than stellar.
    Fails to hold charge, hell fails to charge period sometimes (no matter the charger)
    Reboots on it's own roughly a dozen times a day and about a half dozen times a day it simply just shuts off on it's own.
    I brought it to MSFT's attention and then wanted to send me a refurb of only the phone. Nothing would be done about battery OR quick charger.

    I fired up my 1020, and the good ol' days resumed. SIMPLY WORKS...

    The sad part is I have grown accustom to the form factor and interface and I want my 950 back in action.
    05-27-2016 07:54 PM
  4. Auggybendoggy's Avatar
    LOL! "can keep their grubby mitts off my data" - funny.
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    05-27-2016 10:22 PM
  5. Auggybendoggy's Avatar
    Makes sense to me Gregory. Feature phone is simply a dumb phone. MS, as far as I can see, still can design and simply contract out mfg to someone else. Hell they could contract BLU to make them. Blu's done a great job as a small company. But I get why they have to let go of thousands of staffers. How do you justify the cost of all that labor when you're selling minimal tonnage?
    05-27-2016 10:28 PM
  6. thinkitthrough's Avatar
    What is even more disturbing is the state of the lumia 950 line on wm10.
    I may just have a dud, but my 950 is less than stellar.
    Fails to hold charge, hell fails to charge period sometimes (no matter the charger)
    Reboots on it's own roughly a dozen times a day and about a half dozen times a day it simply just shuts off on it's own.
    I brought it to MSFT's attention and then wanted to send me a refurb of only the phone. Nothing would be done about battery OR quick charger.

    I fired up my 1020, and the good ol' days resumed. SIMPLY WORKS...

    The sad part is I have grown accustom to the form factor and interface and I want my 950 back in action.
    Sorry to hear you've had so many issues with your Lumia 950. My experience with my 950 has overall been very positive, and like you, I love the W10M interface, the perfect size of the 950, etc.

    I only had a battery drain issue for a couple of days after one of the updates a few months ago, but shutting the phone off and back on again seemed to cure it, so that one was a fleeting annoyance that I've never had before that one update and never since. I've had only one self-reboot since I got my 950 in December. With my Android 4 phone, that POS rebooted itself a few times per week, for about the last year or more that I carried it, so I feel your pain there.

    I suspect you got a lemon phone, and it's a real bummer that Microsoft isn't treating you as well as they should by replacing your dud with a brand new one.
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    05-27-2016 10:31 PM
  7. Mark Eggleston's Avatar
    950XL kicks ***, and as soon as a cheaper phone comes out with Continuum, getting them for the whole office of 25. I'm dumping every Microsoft phone, laptop and tablet that isn't running Win10. That era is over. I'll buy Win10 phones, i7 laptops and Surface 4 tablets. No more desktops!
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    05-27-2016 11:27 PM
  8. EspHack's Avatar
    so many lost jobs... but I'm always wondering, why the hell doesn't it happen to the skype guys too? in my opinion they should be getting the worst of it, at least lumia guys were trying its best even fixing what Microsoft couldn't with wp8 and adding more and more great features
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    05-28-2016 01:04 AM
  9. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    One thing I wonder if people realise is the the people laid off were mostly working in the feature phone business? Or is that not the case?
    05-28-2016 01:17 AM
  10. Great deal's Avatar
    One thing I wonder if people realise is the the people laid off were mostly working in the feature phone business? Or is that not the case?
    Microsoft had departments pointing guns at each internally, can only imagine what they thought of the Nokia people and teams. The people let go will get jobs at startups in Finland and thrive, lots of amazing things happening their. Nokia will also be back in the mobile phone space and grow. The people let go are not working on any specific device as teams can work on anything, most likely a mixture of everything from management to cleaners and every one in-between. I guess the key design team have been retained however some probably wouldn't want to stay at MS seeing how their friends and countrymen have been treated.
    05-28-2016 04:12 AM
  11. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    I'm confident that many of the Microsoft layoff folks will land on their feet, or better.
    Other companies, like Samsung, Apple, LG and others are always looking for great engineering and product design talent, particularly in mobile. And layoffs , unlike resignations, don't usually come with non compete agreements. At least, they wouldn't be enforceable in the case of a layoff.
    05-28-2016 06:35 AM
  12. jasongw's Avatar
    I am done rooting for Microsoft's phones. I have wasted the last 6 years telling people how great they are and expecting MS to get their **** together. Now with that ****tard Satya Nadella in charge, under whose "stewardship" Windows Phone has fallen from its highest market success to under 1%, it' clear that Windows Phone will never, EVER be a major player.

    I wish Ballmer had never left. But I'll tell you this much for sure: my next phone will be an iPhone. Microsoft has betrayed my trust enough times, and I've already started moving all of my business clients away from Windows Phone. A number inquired about the new 950 series, but I've had them move to iPhone. There is no point wasting another dollar on a product Microsoft is too incompetent and disinterested to do a good job on.
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    05-28-2016 07:59 PM
  13. jasongw's Avatar
    Skype is the worldwide standard in video calling. Windows Phone is the dumpster. That's why.
    05-28-2016 08:00 PM
  14. jasongw's Avatar
    I'll keep buying and recommending Surface and Windows 10 PC's, but I'm actively moving all my clients to iPhone. I'm done wasting time on Microsoft's stupidity in the phone space.
    theefman likes this.
    05-28-2016 08:01 PM
  15. madapo's Avatar
    Why i believe Microsoft next step is create android phone? :( :( :(
    05-28-2016 08:05 PM
  16. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    Why i believe Microsoft next step is create android phone? :( :( :(
    MSFT has done many stupid things in mobile but *that* would be the dumbest thing ever! Let other companies suffer with the low hardware margins and associated hardware hassles. MSFT should focus on making money selling software and services that run on Android and iOS.
    05-28-2016 11:46 PM
  17. Bloobed's Avatar
    My wife has a Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5. Absolutely beautiful machine and she paid plenty for it when it came out. WAY more than her current touchscreen laptop for crying in the mud. Updates? What updates... She received one update and is now stuck on Lollipop 5.0.2 and hanging on to rumors that Marshmallow may come to the Tab S sometime, whenever, if Uncle Sammy feels like it... By contrast my lowly and discounted Nexus 7 (2013) is running 6.0.1 and gets monthly security patches.
    A2-year-old device has so far gotten one major update, so it's been no worse than the best supported WP phones, and even has a good chance of getting a second major update. Not saying it's a perfect or even a good situation, but Android devices do tend to get more major updates than WP devices.
    05-29-2016 02:08 AM
  18. Bloobed's Avatar
    One thing I wonder if people realise is the the people laid off were mostly working in the feature phone business? Or is that not the case?
    IIRC correctly feature phones were being worked in China, Finland was strictly smartphones.
    05-29-2016 02:23 AM
  19. Ivan05il's Avatar
    Why i believe Microsoft next step is create android phone? :( :( :(
    They don't necessary need a phone with Microsoft written on it, having their software on Android and iOS phones is another story. Ballmer wanted a strong mobile OS with attractive services available only for Windows phones, Nadella said **** it, software is enough. That's why Windows phone is in a free fall, they don't care if W10M is doing well or not. Also it is in such a sad state because the MS programmers were busy porting their software to Android and iOS, W10M got neglected.
    05-29-2016 09:32 AM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    A 2-year-old {Android} device has so far gotten one major update, so it's been no worse than the best supported WP phones, and even has a good chance of getting a second major update. Not saying it's a perfect or even a good situation, but Android devices do tend to get more major updates than WP devices.
    What?

    Lumia 1520 was released in November 2013, eight months prior to the Tab S 10.5 which released in July 2014.

    Lumia 1520 launched with Windows 8 + Black. It received 8.1 + Cyan, it received Denim, it received W10M Threshold 2 and is getting monthly patches. That's 3 major version updates and now on the monthly patch train and riding along nicely. Looking forward to Redstone this summer. And my 1520 has never been off official. All these advances came to it OTA.

    Galaxy Tab S 10.5 launched with 4.4.2 KitKat. It received 5.0.2 Lollipop. That's it. Not even a patch after.


    How is the update record for my example using a top $, widely sold, highly advertised Android not worse than a Windows Phone? How is it receiving "more major updates" than well supported WP devices? Don't say root and flash custom ROMs. That isn't an update and it isn't an official push. It's a workaround for the sorry state of sell and abandon that is the Android OEM model.
    05-29-2016 10:06 AM
  21. sportex's Avatar
    I am done rooting for Microsoft's phones. I have wasted the last 6 years telling people how great they are and expecting MS to get their **** together. Now with that ****tard Satya Nadella in charge, under whose "stewardship" Windows Phone has fallen from its highest market success to under 1%, it' clear that Windows Phone will never, EVER be a major player.

    I wish Ballmer had never left. But I'll tell you this much for sure: my next phone will be an iPhone. Microsoft has betrayed my trust enough times, and I've already started moving all of my business clients away from Windows Phone. A number inquired about the new 950 series, but I've had them move to iPhone. There is no point wasting another dollar on a product Microsoft is too incompetent and disinterested to do a good job on.

    NEXUS 6P for me in a couple of weeks
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    05-29-2016 10:29 AM
  22. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    A2-year-old device has so far gotten one major update, so it's been no worse than the best supported WP phones, and even has a good chance of getting a second major update. Not saying it's a perfect or even a good situation, but Android devices do tend to get more major updates than WP devices.
    And not even mention how companies peddling out Kitkat (which is the only Android I care about atm) at 4.4.2 instead of 4.4.4? Come on man. Lollipop is probably the worst Android build I've used on phones and 5.0.2 made every device eligible for an upgrade chug. Kitkat was supposed to be a low-resource alternative to "more sophisticated" builds, but the way companies like Alcatel and ZTE have handled Kitkat is sort of embarrassing to say the least.

    Then there are these dumb 5.5'' Lollipop devices on the higher-end of prepaid networks and they almost never get updated. Even cheap Android phones should be able to update without a hiccup.
    Last edited by ArtificiallyYours; 05-29-2016 at 01:31 PM.
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    05-29-2016 01:01 PM
  23. J Dubbs's Avatar
    Microsoft have a habit of deliberately obfuscating any negative news because they obviously don't want to reduce confidence in Windows 10 mobile and and their possible Surface Phones.

    With regards to OEMs it seems like the same thing as happened before ie a bunch of OEMs were announced within a short time but it seems interest has died down. I mean how many consumer Windows Phone devices are there directly available? I can only think of the T-Mobile Alcatel!
    Windows phones are over. From everything I've read the "possible" surface phone is just a stock saving statement from microsoft. They've lost over 7 and a half billion dollars with the whole Nokia/Windows phone fiasco, and shaken up stockholders confidence a bit I'm sure. I suspect they're in recovery mode now and have moved way beyond the whole mobile phone business.

    They need to focus more on their windows pc division, people have not appreciated their handling of windows 8.1/10 at all, and their mistakes have really boosted mac and linux....especially linux.

    I personally know several large offices including a medical office that are still running windows xp, and I hear that's pretty common
    06-07-2016 03:11 PM
  24. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Windows phones are over. From everything I've read the "possible" surface phone is just a stock saving statement from microsoft. They've lost over 7 and a half billion dollars with the whole Nokia/Windows phone fiasco, and shaken up stockholders confidence a bit I'm sure. I suspect they're in recovery mode now and have moved way beyond the whole mobile phone business.

    They need to focus more on their windows pc division, people have not appreciated their handling of windows 8.1/10 at all, and their mistakes have really boosted mac and linux....especially linux.

    I personally know several large offices including a medical office that are still running windows xp, and I hear that's pretty common
    people mostly don't upgrade because of lack of finances, softwares that can't run on anything higher than XP or old hardware
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    06-08-2016 01:26 AM
  25. fdalbor's Avatar
    I hate to tell you about the stacks of software i have that wont run on 8.1/10. I keep a XP computer just because of that. Even though i have a W10 unit and one with 8.1 on it. I wish i still had a W98 system as i have a lot of stuff that needs it to run on. I bet there are a lot of people in the same situation. Piles of software with no place to run it.
    06-08-2016 08:36 AM
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