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  1. JuannyBooBoo's Avatar
    I was disheartened this morning when a coworker asked me if I had seen the news that MS might be discontinuing their Lumia line of smartphones.

    I was shocked when I did not see any mention of this on the Windows Central site, or say even in these forums...

    Microsoft may have just killed its Lumia line. Good riddance - CNET
    Microsoft just hinted it's the end of Lumia phones | The Verge

    I am not intending to troll, as I am rooting for MS. I sure hope that whatever strategy they have in mind grows the market-share. Surface phone? Sure hope so. Or, maybe they can somehow incentivize hardware mfg's to continue to roll out some good Win10M phones.

    [Edit: Just noticed that there's a "Microsoft News and Rumors" forum... Could an admin kindly move my mis-placed post? ]
    Tom Snyder and sameersaab like this.
    05-18-2016 01:23 PM
  2. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    You got the spam news. The original were different
    aaaah... lazy coworkers
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    05-18-2016 01:31 PM
  3. pkcable's Avatar
    Well Windows Central DID cover this...

    Microsoft sells its feature phone business to Foxconn for $350 million | Windows Central

    And THIS...

    The Nokia brand is coming back... on Android | Windows Central


    And I believe they (or one of them and then the other ran with the same story) made some guesses and speculation, based on those 2 press releases. Perhaps Windows Central wasn't quite ready to make that jump. However logical it may be. But truthfully who knows? BlackBerry is still making phones so you NEVER know! lol
    05-18-2016 01:35 PM
  4. JuannyBooBoo's Avatar
    Well Windows Central DID cover this...

    Microsoft sells its feature phone business to Foxconn for $350 million | Windows Central

    And THIS...

    The Nokia brand is coming back... on Android | Windows Central


    And I believe they (or one of them and then the other ran with the same story) made some guesses and speculation, based on those 2 press releases. Perhaps Windows Central wasn't quite ready to make that jump. However logical it may be. But truthfully who knows? BlackBerry is still making phones so you NEVER know! lol
    Touch, pkcable.. I didn't think of reading the latest Nokia related articles on Windows Central w/ those that I linked... They both cite the same MS-statements, but the CNET and Verge articles take the leap to a click-bait-worthy inference... and I guess it worked. On me, at least.
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    05-18-2016 02:11 PM
  5. hack14u's Avatar
    It's over folks. Look where they stated they would continue to "support" the old Nokias, no mention of ANY future products. Done. Guess I just got lucky unloading my last 640.
    poststamp likes this.
    05-18-2016 04:13 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    It is known.

    This has already been talked about as the "retrenchment" phase for the mobile branch of the OS.
    05-18-2016 04:56 PM
  7. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    Don't know if any saw CNN correction which said , " An earlier version of this article said Microsoft is selling the business to FIH Mobile. There are two buyers in the deal: FIH Mobile and HMD Global, Oy." FIH Mobile will get all of Microsoft (MSFT, Tech30) feature phone assets, including brands, software, and customer contracts, as well as its factory in Vietnam. And.... Interestingly, HMD has signed a licensing deal with Nokia (NOK) to put the Nokia brand on its new devices. So in some ways, the Nokia deal with Microsoft has come full circle.

    Microsoft is selling its cheap phone business to Foxconn - May. 18, 2016
    05-18-2016 06:01 PM
  8. pkcable's Avatar
    Perhaps MS will now make their own hardware for the mobile OS, OR they will look for other vendors. In the past HTC, Samsung, LG etc have all made Windows phones!
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    05-18-2016 08:11 PM
  9. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I believe it's already pretty much known that the Lumia brand name is dead. Microsoft will not release any new devices branded Lumia. Whatever is released next year by Microsoft was be branded Surface or something else completely brand new.
    05-18-2016 08:41 PM
  10. fdalbor's Avatar
    All i can say is this has been the biggest mess i have ever seen. I moved on to Android a few months ago. I gave away a 635, 820 and a 925, also a Dell windows tablet. I did keep a 640, but its sitting unused in a drawer. Will probably never see W10 as that was the only reason i kept it. I stillbcheck
    05-19-2016 08:42 AM
  11. Sedp23's Avatar
    The quote never said they are killing the Lumia brand. It said they will support the Lumia's and other oem phones.

    if that's the case u can say there won't be any more oem phones then either since they didn't say future oem phones because they didn't say future Lumia's...

    It's not news until Microsoft directly says it. All this is is speculation

    Sent from mTalk
    libra89 and pkcable like this.
    05-19-2016 09:21 AM
  12. Jakoh's Avatar
    This is more than just phones, Smartphones are computers, if microsoft got out of them, then when the Surface gets smaller and smaller how will they succeed when noone will want to carry one around. Mobile is computing, the strategy is correct. if they fail, then its over for Windows.
    I think next step for M$ to be innovative is, start innovating around the Mobile Browser to start treating each site like an app (besides merely "pin to start"). Make an install for each website, bend the f'in rules. Most Apps are web services anyways with bigger nicer buttons and Seriously Webapps currently are way getting way better (Case in point ESPN app sends you to the web for the stats page albeit a different one on IOS and WM10, the WM10 is so much better) if they just remembered where you left off, kept your login, etc etc.
    So create a Browser/web standard thats like an OS. segregate each domain. let them have their own space. Isnt this what Android is with 6.0? apps are just website where google knows everything. So holistically, google is the web browser, apps are webpages.
    Last edited by Jakoh; 05-19-2016 at 02:39 PM.
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    05-19-2016 12:38 PM
  13. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    The quote never said they are killing the Lumia brand. It said they will support the Lumia's and other oem phones.

    if that's the case u can say there won't be any more oem phones then either since they didn't say future oem phones because they didn't say future Lumia's...

    It's not news until Microsoft directly says it. All this is is speculation

    Sent from mTalk
    Microsoft have a habit of deliberately obfuscating any negative news because they obviously don't want to reduce confidence in Windows 10 mobile and and their possible Surface Phones.

    With regards to OEMs it seems like the same thing as happened before ie a bunch of OEMs were announced within a short time but it seems interest has died down. I mean how many consumer Windows Phone devices are there directly available? I can only think of the T-Mobile Alcatel!
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    05-19-2016 02:41 PM
  14. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    The statement refers to "feature" phones. Feature phones are not "Smart" phones. All this wailing and gnashing of teeth over what appears to a lack of reading comprehension on the part of some the article's authors.

    As the BBC properly reports this deal refers to phones such as the 105,130, 215, 222, and possibly the 230. These are feature phones and thus phones Microsoft continued to use the Nokia name with BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT A SEGMENT THEY EVER WANTED TO BE IN. This segment was simply a part of the Nokia deal and they have finally offloaded it.

    Your reacting to inaccurate inflammatory articles that can be unsubstantiated within fifteen seconds of typing "Microsoft Feature Phones" into a google search. We call these articles "CLICK BAIT"......welcome to the internet.
    05-19-2016 04:36 PM
  15. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    The statement refers to "feature" phones. Feature phones are not "Smart" phones. All this wailing and gnashing of teeth over what appears to a lack of reading comprehension on the part of some the article's authors.

    As the BBC properly reports this deal refers to phones such as the 105,130, 215, 222, and possibly the 230. These are feature phones and thus phones Microsoft continued to use the Nokia name with BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT A SEGMENT THEY EVER WANTED TO BE IN. This segment was simply a part of the Nokia deal and they have finally offloaded it.

    Your reacting to inaccurate inflammatory articles that can be unsubstantiated within fifteen seconds of typing "Microsoft Feature Phones" into a google search. We call these articles "CLICK BAIT"......welcome to the internet.
    Commonly known as FUD.
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    05-19-2016 05:06 PM
  16. mggm100's Avatar
    There really is nothing new here, though some of the tech bloggers may be experiencing some degree of memory impairment.

    Don't forget what Chris Capossela said last December about WP. This latest development seems very much in line with his statements. Low end feature phones are not a part of their plans to develop something new and different.

    "Capossela strongly hinted that the company's smartphone unit is taking its cues from Surface, particularly how it 'exploits the seam between' tablets and PCs. 'We need some sort of spiritual equivalent on the phone side that doesn't just feel like it's a phone for people who love Windows,'"
    See http://www.eweek.com/mobile/microsof...ne-rumors.html
    Last edited by mggm100; 05-19-2016 at 09:08 PM.
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    05-19-2016 06:05 PM
  17. Iain_S's Avatar
    my Samsung S7 sits mostly in the drawer because android is pretty crap as an OS, sure it has tons of useless apps and gimiky apps. Windows 10 Mobile is coming long very nicely and will only get much better as we get into 2017. Devices will come from MS in 2017. The smartphone market right now is a shark tank and most are being eaten up by cheap Chinese oems. Samsung are starting to struggle, Apple saw its first double digit YOY drop last Q, MS did the right thing in backing out right now. The new Nokia stuff will too find it extreme tough to do anything in the mobile market and I wouldn't give them a very high % of doing anything that would succeed. The current smartphone market is in for a huge shock over the next year. MS hopefully will have something new and unique in the mobile space in 2017 that will actually put them ahead of the curve.
    05-19-2016 07:21 PM
  18. Sedp23's Avatar
    It's over folks. Look where they stated they would continue to "support" the old Nokias, no mention of ANY future products. Done. Guess I just got lucky unloading my last 640.

    They didn't mention any future OEM products either....

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    05-19-2016 09:14 PM
  19. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    my Samsung S7 sits mostly in the drawer because android is pretty crap as an OS, sure it has tons of useless apps and gimiky apps. Windows 10 Mobile is coming long very nicely and will only get much better as we get into 2017. Devices will come from MS in 2017. The smartphone market right now is a shark tank and most are being eaten up by cheap Chinese oems. Samsung are starting to struggle, Apple saw its first double digit YOY drop last Q, MS did the right thing in backing out right now. The new Nokia stuff will too find it extreme tough to do anything in the mobile market and I wouldn't give them a very high % of doing anything that would succeed. The current smartphone market is in for a huge shock over the next year. MS hopefully will have something new and unique in the mobile space in 2017 that will actually put them ahead of the curve.
    You know, I really hate when people don't research what they say.

    Sure Apple is having issues at the moment but they're still selling way more phones than MS by a landslide.

    Also Samsung reported a 8% increase in their mobile division first quarter 2016.

    As for Android being a 'crap OS' that's a matter of personal opinion. There are over 1 billion Android users. How many WP users are there?

    On top of that, what crap apps are you referring to? Side loaded apps from crappy sites or real apps from MS or other OEM vendors? Last time I checked all the apps I used were very good. As for gimmicky apps they exist in all app stores, including WP. Also WP is loaded with a lot of fake apps.

    I'm not against WP by the way, I just hate misinformation.

    I'd like to see W10M succeed but I think they have a long way to go, I wouldn't mark 2017 as the year of MS by any stretch.
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 05-20-2016 at 09:05 AM.
    05-20-2016 06:15 AM
  20. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Also personal point.

    I predicted that MS would stop using the Lumia name fairly quickly. They had a 10 year usage on it but I doubted they would keep it. So no surprise to me they'd end up dropping it.

    I doubt Nokia will pick it up either as that would be confusing.

    MS will use a name that works for them. Regardless how you feel about the Lumia name it's something that's relegated to the W8 line. W10M needs a fresh start.... again.
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 05-20-2016 at 09:08 AM.
    05-20-2016 06:20 AM
  21. fdalbor's Avatar
    My first smartphone was a windows phone, and for the past 4 years i suggested the OS to everyone. Two months ago i GAVE away all my windows phones and my dell win tablet. Only way i could get rid of them. I switched to android, and will never buy a phone by microsoft again. Like you said, they are starting AGAIN. Sometimes; even when you want something to work , it just does not. They have had too many agains for consumers to give them another. I will still follow the forum, just to see what is happening. But i have wasted too much money already on their products. For me; and most others there will be no more agains.
    05-20-2016 06:55 AM
  22. theefman's Avatar
    my Samsung S7 sits mostly in the drawer because android is pretty crap as an OS, sure it has tons of useless apps and gimiky apps. Windows 10 Mobile is coming long very nicely and will only get much better as we get into 2017. Devices will come from MS in 2017. The smartphone market right now is a shark tank and most are being eaten up by cheap Chinese oems. Samsung are starting to struggle, Apple saw its first double digit YOY drop last Q, MS did the right thing in backing out right now. The new Nokia stuff will too find it extreme tough to do anything in the mobile market and I wouldn't give them a very high % of doing anything that would succeed. The current smartphone market is in for a huge shock over the next year. MS hopefully will have something new and unique in the mobile space in 2017 that will actually put them ahead of the curve.


    I'm curious why you (and other Microsoft cheerleaders) think all other oems will continue to struggle but somehow Microsoft will produce a miracle device next year (again!) and be immune to the same "shark tank" effects of the "cheap Chinese OEMs".
    05-20-2016 08:47 AM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I'm curious why you (and other Microsoft cheerleaders) think all other oems will continue to struggle but somehow Microsoft will produce a miracle device next year (again!) and be immune to the same "shark tank" effects of the "cheap Chinese OEMs".
    Well said.

    Good point. The mobile market is thoroughly saturated. More and more people are not jumping on new phones when they come out. Most look at what they have and keep it a while longer. Who wants to dish out that kind of cash all the time on the next 'new' thing?

    The tech articles go on and on about 'compelling hardware' but at the end of the day, does it work? Does it do what I want? Does it look decent? Is it a good price? Are the questions people want answered.

    I'll never buy a new phone at release ever again regardless how much I like it simply because I refuse to pay a premium for the privilege. Since my phone is almost two years old now I'll be thinking of my next one but really it does what I need right now so I'm in no hurry. So unless it breaks, I'm not changing.
    05-20-2016 09:15 AM
  24. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I remember I was saying this when leaks got out of the lumia 950/XL. I was saying they will be the last of the lumias before MS starts the surface line of 2-in-1's. People were very negative towards me though I was right. I was also right about MS wanting to kill off its phone market share and leaving only the hardcore fans. The reason being is that the fans usually keep up to date with latest hardware so when they move to their new device category, most fans will follow. Some will still hold on to the lumia 950/xl for a while but likely not a very long time. So enthusiasts won't expect support on 3 year old phones. Their entire market share is made up of people on extremely old outdated phones. If they only use them for calling and basic stuff, keep using them. But they shouldn't expect support for apps or anything.

    Everything will be going towards their 2-in-1 category now. This is where market share is growing and putting more hardware types into the market will grow it even further.

    Expect something like a surface book but in a really small form factor. Almost like a wallet. The advantage will be it can be used for hand held gaming. It will have 2 screens and detachable. Not 100% sure but I imagine something close to this. How it will look or how it will be done is a mystery, if this is the path they take.
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    05-20-2016 12:31 PM
  25. Brian Emmerling's Avatar
    Yes, this isn't really surprising to me. Why have a Lumia and a surface line? Lumia is the leftover of Nokia.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    05-20-2016 12:49 PM
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