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  1. nw47978's Avatar
    Could it be Nokia communicator design are making a comeback?
    Those patents look like the Surface Book to me, nothing new...
    05-28-2016 05:58 PM
  2. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    When HP made their Windows 10 mobile Elite X3 Continuum class smart phone they made the perfect dumb Laptop accessory to
    make Windows 10 mobile continuum smart phones more useful. you carry the HP elite X3 and the Laptop accessory use your HP Elite X3 Continuum class smart phone. to view and make Documents, play games, watch Netflix, You tube, access your document in onedrive or remotely access your business or at home Personal PC . hmm some people will like using a smart phone and dumb laptop in that way
    Last edited by Gregory Newman; 05-28-2016 at 09:41 PM.
    05-28-2016 09:25 PM
  3. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    folks do not be surprised if Microsoft and others make monitors that are designed to work flawlessly with microsoft Windows 10 mobile smart phones with Continuum mode. these monitors will sense and be able to immediately sync with and pick up Windows 10 mobile smart phone that is Continuum mode and display the Windows 10 mobile smart phones screen in a resizable window. a person can the use the on screen keyboard or a blue tooth mouse and keyboard to navigate the screen and use apps.
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    05-28-2016 09:36 PM
  4. onysi's Avatar
    if its 9 inches, its clearly a clam shell phone that u can expand. oh man this is epic.
    05-29-2016 04:20 AM
  5. Major Plonquer's Avatar
    It will have a 4" screen. And a 6" screen. And a 9" screen. And a 12" screen. And a stylus too.
    05-29-2016 07:37 AM
  6. Zidentia's Avatar
    In business most travelers use at least two devices; a phone and a laptop. The issue most seem to gloss over in these discussions is the continued march towards convergence devices is flawed and fails to take into account basic human tendencies and limitations. As humans we crave multi tasking because it seems to solve our need for efficiencies in our day to day but we are limited. Our brain can process nearly as many things as we take in but our process driven body demands core functionality from the brain and much like an interrupt for a processor, places other process's lower in the Que and defeats the idea of true convergence. Our largest failing is indeed our physical body due to the natural design that favors flight over thought.

    So we default to multiple devices, not out of desire, but of necessity to preserve true functionality and efficiency. If you look at forward thinking strategies by any technology company, none of them show a truly converged world to interact with due to the fact it is actually limiting to the human condition. Humans need and crave multiple interfaces to work through the limitation of our physical side. The Surface line of products then, in my opinion, is the effort by Microsoft to balance the convergence we want with the reality of the limitations. In my research on Microsoft Mobile they seem to be letting certain efforts play out while they engineer the true goal in the background which is the the universal software that allows for coverage from mobile to cloud usage.

    There may be a mini surface coming and past reports, verified by Microsoft, do indicate they have created such a product. A Surface version makes sense if we look at a progression as they fill out the line with a Mobile device. If you read internal memos and certain public statements by Microsoft about the HP Elite there does appear to be some consensus that they feel this is a product they feel strongly about when used in enterprise.

    I think for now, consumer is non mover for Microsoft and they will approach it again once the full scope of their strategy play out.
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    05-29-2016 08:01 AM
  7. Eric Hamilton's Avatar
    Could this be a Surface Phone?

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    05-29-2016 01:42 PM
  8. BluetoothFairy1's Avatar
    I hope MSFT surprises us all and comes up with a game changer. Anything I've read in the comments above still sounds like a rethought smartphone and to a real revolution. If I break my own needs into basics I keep getting back to two things: I want a device to allow for communications where I don't have to be fumbling around in pockets. I want also a device where I can have some real estate to view and interact with content.
    So, for me it always comes back to a 2 form-factor device - a wearable, which can connect to a bigger second half with a display. Whether they physically connect or are wireless, I don't know. The MSFT Vision 2020 video above has a lot of cool ideas I could identify with.
    I personally hope for a 3'-4" wearable and a similar or bigger second half, also with a display, which would contain more power. MSFT has successfully piloted the separation of components in the SurfaceBook, so it must be doable.
    05-29-2016 01:55 PM
  9. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    All the renders are old, the rumored specs are a 12 year old's wishlist, and with the sales of the phone division... nah. I call BS. Until MS announces it I'll consider it purely vaporware and a pipe dream. If such a flagship devices does get released... I cannot imagine it selling well or having much a sales pitch. Lumia gave up the imaging crown to the Galaxy S7, stability from what I can tell here lags behind even Android, and designs make the HTC One M10/whatever look like a brilliant clean sheet design.

    Since moving to android with my LG G3... I'll say this. Specs won't matter if MS can't get some solid app support. (Which has only gotten worse since I changed over last year.)
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    05-29-2016 07:11 PM
  10. Brian Emmerling's Avatar
    Paul Thurrott, isn't he the guy who said the ipad will be a huge failure?
    05-29-2016 08:53 PM
  11. houkoholic's Avatar
    I think that marketing a device for enterprise rather than consumers is a bad idea nowadays. The days of carrying 2 phones, 1 work-issued and 1 personal, are pretty much over.
    It is FAR from over, in fact it would NEVER be over.

    BYOD doesn't actually precludes people who want separate devices for many very legitimate reasons - keeping work/private live separate for one is a HIGHLY desirable goal, especially as people become more and more aware of how communication technology is extremely intrusive of private lives in developed nations. Less and less people are wanting to be on-call 24/7 - which if you use one single device employers would implicitly demand that of you (employers demanding employees to instantly answer emails/IM on their phone even after hours is a real thing, why do you think the French is passing a law which makes employers doing that illegal?!). Also as security concerns increases - do you really want your employer having the ability to wipe YOUR phone which you happen to also use for both work/private? What's going to happen to my little baby/girlfriend/family photos? Am I signing away the right for the company to audit the contents of my phone as part of the employee/BYOD contract? What about forcing the company's GPO on your phone? etc etc Many people would say "f**k no!" to that in a heart beat. There are nuisances for carrying multiple devices, but most people are not willing to trade these just to carry one less device, especially the phones today are really poor at supporting multiple profiles.

    There's also cost for the employer as well - IT maybe supporting "Android" BYOD but with the amount of fragmentation out there problems will arise alot in terms of compatibility.

    BlackBerry hasn't had any success by concentrating on the enterprise market.
    That's because BlackBerry isn't really doing things better than the competition - email and IM is no longer unique to BB.
    05-29-2016 09:55 PM
  12. Jason Ward's Avatar
    Hi folks...I wrote a piece last year (Nov 2015) "Will the rumored Surface Phone be a reimagined Surface Mini" where I posited how Pansy still uses his Mini as a Molesting or digital notepad. I posited that he's going to keep what's good about the Mini and put it in a form of a small Surface that sits at the lowest end of the Surface line - The Surface Book is a Laptop and Digital Clipboard, the Surface is a Tablet and Laptop and the Surface "Phone"(Which wont in my opinion be called a phone but a ultramobile PC with telephony) will function as a phone and Digital Notepad. The inking platform will really come to play here I believe. You can read a the piece here: Will Microsoft's rumored 'Surface Phone' be a re-imagined Surface Mini? | Windows Central

    I actually also talked about it in a piece I wrote in January of 2015, Is a 7" Surface phone on the horizon?


    Whatever it will be it most certainly won't be what we see as a phone today. :-)
    05-29-2016 10:54 PM
  13. anton267's Avatar
    Surface phone in my opinion is the next generation mobile device, coming in 2-3 years when the technology will be mature. With the processing power of today's mid-to-high range laptops it will serve as the main computing and virtual reality device for individuals. It will be around 6 inches but will connect and fit into other "dummy" display devices and support extensions, e.g. plug into cars. Despite today's position in the mobile market, Microsoft is well positioned for this market.
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    05-30-2016 02:54 AM
  14. levy shikukui's Avatar
    one request as per wish of many,lets have windows 10 roms which can run in all droid device,and someone will decide d the brand he loves and install windows 10.
    05-30-2016 06:53 AM
  15. Ten Four's Avatar
    BYOD doesn't actually precludes people who want separate devices for many very legitimate reasons - keeping work/private live separate for one is a HIGHLY desirable goal, especially as people become more and more aware of how communication technology is extremely intrusive of private lives in developed nations.
    What people want and what they get are two different things. Here in the USA BYOD is the only way at most companies--the company figured out that this makes employees happy and keeps corporate costs lower. A thing to keep in mind is that in the USA businesses with less than 500 employees account for more than half of the jobs. These small businesses don't have the budget to supply workers with phones, and why should they bother when employees are happier using their own phones? Despite press about getting away from employment demands outside of work it is just getting worse and worse in the USA--the lowliest job now includes the expectation that you are on call via email and text 24/7.
    05-30-2016 07:36 AM
  16. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    Why not have the best of both worlds and have both ARM and X86 in the same device.



    When you want to use it as a phone you run the ARM processor and when you plug it into a doc you enable the X86 CPU and the full version of Windows 10.



    You could have a dGPU option like the Surface Boot.



    Dual Architecture systems with dual operating systems are not new. I used one over 30 years ago.



    Apply this to a phone and it could be game changing.

    Dual boot Windows 10 Mobile and Full Windows 10.
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    05-30-2016 08:20 AM
  17. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    You could even have a built in projector that could give you a holographic screen and keyboard.
    05-30-2016 08:27 AM
  18. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    BYOD is fine but when companies lock the devices down BYOD becomes less appealing.
    05-30-2016 08:41 AM
  19. cracgor's Avatar
    I couldn't disagree more.
    Enterprise is their strength, focus on your strength, win that part of the market first with a super slick, super secure must have "Surface Companion".
    Then, just maybe, a portion of the consumer market may follow.

    I use a work phone for personal and business, (supplied) one phone works a treat. Problem is, yesterday I asked I.T to add the work email account to my new 'Windows Phone' and the I.T consultant had never heard of a Windows Phone. How sad.
    I had the same problem at my work where they would not enable the email server to recognize Windows Phone because it would be insecure. It doesn't matter if it is true when it negatively impacts the consumer.

    The enterprise strength thing is fading fast too. The only reason that they have enterprise strength is because companies bought into Windows 3 decades ago. Most of those computers run Windows 7, probably because they upgraded from XP. My experience is most companies are BYOD. So I would say iPhone still dominates mobile enterprise.
    05-30-2016 10:17 AM
  20. cracgor's Avatar
    folks do not be surprised if Microsoft and others make monitors that are designed to work flawlessly with microsoft Windows 10 mobile smart phones with Continuum mode. these monitors will sense and be able to immediately sync with and pick up Windows 10 mobile smart phone that is Continuum mode and display the Windows 10 mobile smart phones screen in a resizable window. a person can the use the on screen keyboard or a blue tooth mouse and keyboard to navigate the screen and use apps.
    Why not just buy a smart tv that can have your apps on the tv?
    05-30-2016 10:20 AM
  21. Ten Four's Avatar
    folks do not be surprised if Microsoft and others make monitors that are designed to work flawlessly with microsoft Windows 10 mobile smart phones with Continuum mode.
    Sure, but what is the point when most businesses prefer having people chained to workstations for eight hours per day where they and their equipment are completely under corporate control? Continuum is a cool idea with limited practical uses. I was convinced a couple of decades ago that today's workforce would be working from home via the Internet, but remote workers never became popular for a basic human reason: managers want to be able to lord over their troops and act like they are in charge of their army of workers. This requires rooms full of people who periodically must troop into the manager's office and report so it looks like the manager is doing something. Out of sight out of mind. I have worked remotely a lot in my life and without fail you are constantly struggling to prove to your manager that you are actually working. No matter how productive you are they just don't believe it unless they see you slaving away in front of a hot work station.
    05-30-2016 05:06 PM
  22. im.thatoneguy's Avatar
    Microsoft has done two interesting things lately. 1) They've made it clear "continuum" is key to WM distinctiveness. 2) They've included "Messaging Anywhere" as part of continuum. If I could take calls through my PC and put my "phone" in the cloud then whatever device I'm near would be sufficient. What if Windows Mobile became a screenless device? As long as it was connected to the internet you could use any LTE device as your "phone" seamlessly. Then a small 7" device would be a perfectly reasonable thing to carry with you as a "Camera".
    05-30-2016 11:35 PM
  23. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    I'm hoping we could get five to six inch 'dummy touchscreen' monitors we could slot a Windows TV-Stick in sometime.

    Probably makes no sense but, that's my (stupid) idea in a nutshell...
    05-31-2016 02:28 AM
  24. vcarvega's Avatar
    Who said it'll be called a Surface Phone? Mary Jo nailed it. It's a Surface Mobile device. Surface Mini form with high end specs and phone capability.
    I think there would be less of a market for that device than an actual Windows phone... which is already pretty low. The best thing Microsoft could do is create an actual phone and begin marketing it with it's Surface Pro in commercials and online ads. The Surface Pro has a positive, "cool" connotation attached to it... much in the way of Apple during the 90's. That's something they can build off of.
    05-31-2016 02:48 AM
  25. vcarvega's Avatar
    Microsoft has done two interesting things lately. 1) They've made it clear "continuum" is key to WM distinctiveness. 2) They've included "Messaging Anywhere" as part of continuum. If I could take calls through my PC and put my "phone" in the cloud then whatever device I'm near would be sufficient. What if Windows Mobile became a screenless device? As long as it was connected to the internet you could use any LTE device as your "phone" seamlessly. Then a small 7" device would be a perfectly reasonable thing to carry with you as a "Camera".
    I don't care what the tech is, a phone has to be able to fit in my pocket, period. I already have a Surface Pro 4 in my bag... making a mini one isn't really an attractive proposition for me, and definitely will not help Microsoft to replace my Nexus phone. Now, if they come up with an innovative way to make watches, or wearables in general, more productive... I could see that being a device that could replace a phone.
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    05-31-2016 02:52 AM
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