10-01-2016 03:13 PM
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  1. Ankur Grover's Avatar
    Hi All,

    Can sombody confirm whether this is rumor or not?

    link : https://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-looks-set-end-sales-lumia-phones-december-director-mentions-surface-phone

    Regards
    09-10-2016 03:14 AM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The end of the Lumia line does not equate to the end of Windows 10 Mobile. It does, however, signal the end of a very unsuccessful line of mobile devices. Why do we lament the demise of the Lumia brand as if it shattered sales records and put Microsoft on the same level of Android or iOS in terms of worldwide market share? The rumored Surface is not guaranteed to happen. If the HP, Alcatel or Acer high-end phones don't catch on with businesses or consumers, you best believe there will be no Surface phone.

    Windows 10 Mobile isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The 950 and 650 will continue to be supported as long as WaaS continues to exist. Those of us that continue to enjoy the OS will no doubt seek other OEMs for newer devices. Those that prefer to cry in their coffee can go elsewhere. That's just keepin' it real.
  3. ttsoldier's Avatar
    I'm just going to copy paste my post from another thread:


    So?

    These types of articles will cause panic across the internet.

    However, Lumia does not equal Windows 10 mobiles. Our lumia's will still be getting updates. Microsoft just wants other OEMS to take the mantle and release phones.

    HP has done it. Alcatel is coming with the Idol pro 4. The Xiaomi mi4 is available. There are rumours about roms for the one plus 2, one plus 3 and xiaomi mi5 and I am sure other OEMS will be following suit.

    This is not the end of Windows 10.. No , oh no.. This... is just the beginning.
    09-10-2016 04:05 AM
  4. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    I'm just going to copy paste my post from another thread:
    So?
    These types of articles will cause panic across the internet.
    However, Lumia does not equal Windows 10 mobiles. Our lumia's will still be getting updates. Microsoft just wants other OEMS to take the mantle and release phones.

    HP has done it. Alcatel is coming with the Idol pro 4. The Xiaomi mi4 is available. There are rumours about roms for the one plus 2, one plus 3 and xiaomi mi5 and I am sure other OEMS will be following suit.

    This is not the end of Windows 10.. No , oh no.. This... is just the beginning.
    I would normally agree with you, but your statements here are pinned to the wind..... HP has only started rolling, and I hope they do very well !!!!
    Lumia at this time is (for now), the one solid footing in the Market, now that Blu has closed it's door on Windows Phone
    Alcatel is coming????? Let me take you back to the start of the year CES 2016 Hands-on with the 8-inch Alcatel OneTouch Pixi 3 Windows 10 Mobile tablet/phone | Windows Central
    Alcatel stated it would launch in April....May,June,July,Aug, now Sept. and still no sign............

    Rumors of ROMs ??? Have any OEMS gone on record saying this is a line they are following or did this crop up because Microsoft invested in Cyanogen ( mainly to see the install of MS services on Androids).

    I think the smarter move would have been to hold the line as is until a Surface Phone is officially put on display at an event somewhere. It's the impression that is being shown that will do the most damage to whatever Market Microsoft holds right now.

    This story + the removal of Lumia from the Microsoft main page, with nothing to hold the mindset of the average Joe, like a Surface Phone, makes average people see Microsoft raise the White Flag of Surrender.
    09-10-2016 09:44 AM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The end of the Lumia line does not equate to the end of Windows 10 Mobile. It does, however, signal the end of a very unsuccessful line of mobile devices. Why do we lament the demise of the Lumia brand as if it shattered sales records and put Microsoft on the same level of Android or iOS in terms of worldwide market share? The rumored Surface is not guaranteed to happen. If the HP, Alcatel or Acer high-end phones don't catch on with businesses or consumers, you best believe there will be no Surface phone.

    Windows 10 Mobile isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The 950 and 650 will continue to be supported as long as WaaS continues to exist. Those of us that continue to enjoy the OS will no doubt seek other OEMs for newer devices. Those that prefer to cry in their coffee can go elsewhere. That's just keepin' it real.
    09-10-2016 12:47 PM
  6. Danobe's Avatar
    That was a short run Microsoft got out of buying Nokia. Two phones at the upper end, concurrently available.
    09-10-2016 02:02 PM
  7. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Yep. Lumia is a done deal. Stocks on hand are all we will see now and those are getting discounted to sell.

    Next phase is just starting to roll with 3rd party OEMs entering to fill the void. It's slow, but a necessary step. Nokia pumped out a bewildering number of models and variants and it didn't save Nokia Cell Phone Divisions. All it did was stifle competition. When Microsoft took over Lumia, it further alienated 3rd party makers.

    Microsoft needed to withdraw from hardware to entice makers back.

    The loss to consumers on this platform is Lumia Firmware. New OEMs need to step up and not just use the base OS which is free. They need to get some Firmware in there. SensorCore for a start, Camera needs work, Glance and DTtW functions. There is room for a dedicated OEM to innovate and differentiate. I've used phones with the base ROM and no frills. Things need to be filled in.

    Microsoft could also create a profit on the free OS by licensing Lumia Firmware and Hardware pieces. They have already Licensed ClearBlack to Coship. Coship uses ClearBlack and their own "High Brightness Mode" firmware to produce an outstanding display (IMHO) on Moly phones. I'd like to see more of this licensing happen. Imagine getting Lumia Camera Classic on a new W10M device from a 3rd party? Why can't they license or code their own Glance? FM radio app is gone. Write one or license the old one and hook it in...

    Likely, OEMs want to see some sales before they spend on developing or licensing firmware. That will probably be "stage 2."'

    If consumers don't buy in and sit and pine away for Lumia to come back from the dead, then the whole thing goes over a cliff.
    09-10-2016 03:43 PM
  8. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Microsoft should have run a transition. Yes back away from the release of devices, but state for the record something is yet to come. This would have a double message to the O.E.M. and the Windows Phone community.

    You show you are pulling away from the manufacture, but you also keep an already panic riddled community calm.

    You don't even have to give away fully what will be your one and only future phone, just a press release with a view of a kickstand, or something that is Surface related.

    I am very sure they have been in talks with Samsung who may take a lead roll with a device that will dual boot ( WC Story ), and even with as much as I hate Android...a Galaxy Note that can boot into Windows 10 for Mobile would catch a great many people who would otherwise just wait out a Surface Phone. I am also very sure Microsoft eased up on the transfer fee Samsung must pay to sell phones, if they bring Windows 10 for mobile into the mix.

    Microsoft needs to do one better then Apple and tease something. Heck they already have an almost perfect stage in which to do it any of the NFL broadcasts....a simple 10 second spot with something in shadow....and one word "Soon" or something like that.
    They have to start the buzz.....
    Heck if I was head of Marketing I would hire David Attenborough to voice very cryptic spots and start the world talking, have him talk about how humans learned to communicate, how things evolve over time..... then at what ever event just hearing that voice smooth chill the words Microsoft Surface Phone would be like a verbal orgasm to the Windows faithful.
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    09-10-2016 04:37 PM
  9. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Microsoft should have run a transition. Yes back away from the release of devices, but state for the record something is yet to come. This would have a double message to the O.E.M. and the Windows Phone community.

    You show you are pulling away from the manufacture, but you also keep an already panic riddled community calm.

    You don't even have to give away fully what will be your one and only future phone, just a press release with a view of a kickstand, or something that is Surface related.

    I am very sure they have been in talks with Samsung who may take a lead roll with a device that will dual boot ( WC Story ), and even with as much as I hate Android...a Galaxy Note that can boot into Windows 10 for Mobile would catch a great many people who would otherwise just wait out a Surface Phone. I am also very sure Microsoft eased up on the transfer fee Samsung must pay to sell phones, if they bring Windows 10 for mobile into the mix.

    Microsoft needs to do one better then Apple and tease something. Heck they already have an almost perfect stage in which to do it any of the NFL broadcasts....a simple 10 second spot with something in shadow....and one word "Soon" or something like that.
    They have to start the buzz.....
    Heck if I was head of Marketing I would hire David Attenborough to voice very cryptic spots and start the world talking, have him talk about how humans learned to communicate, how things evolve over time..... then at what ever event just hearing that voice smooth chill the words Microsoft Surface Phone would be like a verbal orgasm to the Windows faithful.
    I think it's a marketing technique. Kill off the lumia line now and let people forget about it and the failure (let's be real. it failed) it was to Microsoft.

    The next real re-launch with a new brand (surface phone) and everyone (non-windows phone users) will be wowed like "What is this device!". They may even think it's a whole new OS on the phone...
    09-10-2016 06:42 PM
  10. Bobvfr's Avatar
    I am still going to buy my wife a 950 to replace her two year old 830 and I will probably buy my boy a 650 to replace his cracked screen 930 that he still has on contract, at the prices MS are charging in the UK at the moment and for the specs the remaining stock still has validity, especially if you want a Windows phones at decent prices. I am not a fan of any particular device maker, although I do like having the word Microsoft on my XL.

    As mentioned it's maybe the end of Lumia hardware, but Windows running on phones is actually running pretty well at the moment.

    I think MS have handled this pretty poorly over the last few years with so many resets (Although I understand why things were done this way), and although I ended up with my 950XL via a 1520 because I initially liked the Metro design on my wife's first Windows phone running 7, Windows 10 is fantastic on PC and phone there is no need to press the panic button.

    Goodbye Lumia (Well after I buy some more that is) and long live Windows running on phones, whoever makes them.
    09-10-2016 07:57 PM
  11. wgrs's Avatar
    The sad thing: this is the real end of Nokia.

    And the quality of Nokia phones. Some OEM may build a cheap W10M phone. But it will be China style, who really needs it?

    And a 800$ HP? Who needs that and who will prefer it over an iPhone or Samsung? Without many essential apps?
    09-10-2016 10:11 PM
  12. BMT001's Avatar
    Well the end of Nokia and Lumia's doesn't mean the end of Windows 10 mobile. It has just begun. It will no stop me from buying a new 950 XL in the next few days. Maybe buy 2 and put one away. Maybe in 20 years it can be worth something. Like my old Atari, or Texas Instruments computer...Whe have only just begun.
    Maurizio Troso likes this.
    09-11-2016 03:11 AM
  13. mikepalma's Avatar
    The sad thing: this is the real end of Nokia.

    And the quality of Nokia phones. Some OEM may build a cheap W10M phone. But it will be China style, who really needs it?

    And a 800$ HP? Who needs that and who will prefer it over an iPhone or Samsung? Without many essential apps?
    No consumers in any meaningful numbers will by $800 HP. Maybe some businesses. More iPhones are sold in one weekend than Lumias in years
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    09-11-2016 03:48 AM
  14. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Well then where are all these other OEM Windows phones? I'm stuck on Verizon and they ain't got jack! I'm on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR, go figure, though its rural America here - and Verizon is all that works (WELL) in my area.

    Peace. Alan
    ICON 929 [Win10 M, Insider Preview, Redstone 2, 14915.1000.]
    Last edited by Shamshi-Adad; 09-11-2016 at 02:25 PM.
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    09-11-2016 02:12 PM
  15. sidtek50's Avatar
    You guys are right. An $800 HP is absolutely pointless at this point - even if it takes outstanding photos and has amazing battery life. The issue has always been the APP STORE. People want apps. Microsoft NEED to get developers onboard. The reason Android and iOS are so popular is because the latest apps come out on their app stores. Today I went to install PayPal on my 640. Nope. Doesn't work on Windows 10. So I went to install MyFitnessPal - nope, doesn't exist. Argh! If I can't even get basic apps on a $100 device, why would I pay $800 so I can't get apps??
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    09-11-2016 02:28 PM
  16. John Callaham's Avatar
    Lumia is indeed going to end soon but Microsoft wants Windows 10 Mobile to continue and it will
    09-11-2016 09:49 PM
  17. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Lumia is indeed going to end soon but Microsoft wants Windows 10 Mobile to continue and it will
    Yes, yes, we'll see, but for who? Corporations or for us too. And if they don't get over this pissin' contest with VZW they're still gonna blow it. Corporations in America are on VZW. I can't believe that the HP Elite x3 has a CDMA radio in it that's crippled by the firmware. Maybe that's a good sign that MS is planning on reconciliation with VZW, though.

    Peace. Alan
    ICON 929 [Win10 M, Insider Preview, Redstone 2, 14915.1000.]
    09-12-2016 08:13 AM
  18. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Well the end of Nokia and Lumia's doesn't mean the end of Windows 10 mobile. It has just begun. It will no stop me from buying a new 950 XL in the next few days. Maybe buy 2 and put one away. Maybe in 20 years it can be worth something. Like my old Atari, or Texas Instruments computer...Whe have only just begun.
    Yes and my original Commodore and Commodore Amiga with a whopping expanded 512K of RAM. The Smithsonian Institute hasn't called me yet.

    Peace. Alan
    ICON 929 [Win10 M, Insider Preview, Redstone 2, 14915.1000.]
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    09-12-2016 08:19 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    Yes and my original Commodore and Commodore Amiga with a whopping expanded 512K of RAM. The Smithsonian Institute hasn't called me yet.
    512K of RAM? That's massive! I have a Commodore 64 with 64K.

    I haven't fired it up in a few years, but it worked fine the last time I did. I'm hoping a functioning one becomes valuable someday.
    Last edited by tgp; 09-12-2016 at 11:45 AM. Reason: Fixed punctuation.
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    09-12-2016 08:32 AM
  20. Rich Edmonds's Avatar
    I'm just going to copy paste my post from another thread:


    So?

    These types of articles will cause panic across the internet.

    However, Lumia does not equal Windows 10 mobiles. Our lumia's will still be getting updates. Microsoft just wants other OEMS to take the mantle and release phones.

    HP has done it. Alcatel is coming with the Idol pro 4. The Xiaomi mi4 is available. There are rumours about roms for the one plus 2, one plus 3 and xiaomi mi5 and I am sure other OEMS will be following suit.

    This is not the end of Windows 10.. No , oh no.. This... is just the beginning.
    Pretty much agree with this post on all points. I'm actually excited to see what other OEMs can come up with. I'm done with Microsoft, have been since the company fluffed up Windows Phone 8 and subsequently destroyed Nokia. It's time for partners to pick up and take Windows 10 on smartphones further.
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    09-12-2016 10:10 AM
  21. MikeX74's Avatar
    If I can't even get basic apps on a $100 device, why would I pay $800 so I can't get apps??
    The Surface Phone could be made out of solid unobtainium, have a battery that lasts for weeks, and dispense cappuccino, but it won't solve the one problem that plagues W10M/WP: apps.
    09-12-2016 03:30 PM
  22. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    512K of RAM? That's massive! I have a Commodore 64 with 64K.

    I haven't fired it up in a few years, but it worked fine the last time I did. I'm hoping a functioning one becomes valuable someday.
    Remember before the internet when there was nothing but BB services. I used to drive up some hellacious long distance phone bills in those days.

    Peace. Alan
    ICON 929 [Win10 M, Insider Preview, Redstone 2, 14915.1000.]
    09-12-2016 03:55 PM
  23. georgetgonzales's Avatar
    Anonymous internal source says Lumia marque will be cease being sold in December.
    09-13-2016 03:44 AM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    Anonymous internal source says Lumia marque will be cease being sold in December.
    Yes, this isn't news.I believe it has something to do with agreements made when Microsoft bought Nokia's devices division.

    The big question is: what comes next?
    09-14-2016 07:34 AM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Yes, this isn't news.I believe it has something to do with agreements made when Microsoft bought Nokia's devices division.
    It was the Nokia name they were contractually obligated to stop using after a certain time. They purchased the name Lumia. However, the name Lumia is off-putting to 3rd party OEMs as it became synonymous with Windows Phone in the minds of consumers and fans alike...


    The big question is: what comes next?
    A long slow climb?

    3rd party OEM rollouts are trickling in right now. Microsoft needs to create some momentum when they come back from their hardware sabbatical. Hopefully the OS gets more features/polish/stability as well.
    tgp, libra89 and Laura Knotek like this.
    09-14-2016 12:05 PM
  26. tgp's Avatar
    3rd party OEM rollouts are trickling in right now.
    They were there all along. But with almost all Windows Phone sales being Lumia, the other OEMs were barely noticeable. Are there actually more now than there were? I wonder if it's just that we're starting to notice them now.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    09-14-2016 12:12 PM
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