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  1. Ray Shum's Avatar
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    At midnight of 6th June GMT+8, MS China's social account in Bilibili (a video site) posted an odd video called Prototype No.1706 description & media auto-posting test P10 [delete in 18h]

    The cover image showed Microsoft Surface Mobile, while the description of the video wrote This is more than a mobile device. Based on Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ platform, it ensures the balance between performance and battery life, and can greatly empower your productivity. Introducing ONTO-TABLET Projection Continuum, which enables you to work with desktop programmes for more than an hour. The kickstand can be opened to 185°. With one press on the special-built Surface Pen, you can easily launch OneNote and start your writing. Introducing Surface Peking and Surface Slavonia, the mobile device that can be your workstation. Learn more at http://Surface.com/

    The video itself is simply an old showcase of Windows 10 Hero wallpaper, and was deleted in one or two hours. There is no futher information and the existances of so-called Surface Peking and Surface Slavonia are still remain to be proven.

    Related articles of CN tech media:
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    Last edited by Ray Shum; 06-06-2017 at 12:54 AM.
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  2. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    06-05-2017 09:45 PM
  3. Iain_S's Avatar
    there was also an api posted that pointed to a hinged device. Interesting stuff indeed.

    Seems that platform at this point is called Andromeda and that directly referred to it as surface phone=andromedadbm4s5numaal12t.jpg
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    06-05-2017 10:31 PM
  4. Iain_S's Avatar
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  5. Zachary Wilmes's Avatar
    Very interesting. So essentially this would be a cellular-enabled miniaturized version of the Surface Pro?
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    06-06-2017 12:13 AM
  6. cactuspete23's Avatar
    Very cool. Love to see MS still working to improve mobile functions !
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    06-06-2017 07:09 AM
  7. Drael646464's Avatar
    there was also an api posted that pointed to a hinged device. Interesting stuff indeed.

    Seems that platform at this point is called Andromeda and that directly referred to it as surface phone=andromedaClick image for larger version. 

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    No see these are different.

    "Andromeda":

    Is a detachable hinge clamshell device like that featured in microsoft's aspiration videos. As you can see from the two separate gyros and hinge value in the code above. It has its own OS variant.

    It will look vaguely like this (from the aspiration videos):

    Attachment 135864

    Surface Peking and Slovania (this):

    Is a phone with "table projection" - that is it can project a continuum screen onto your work space for an hour, no screen required - and it has a hinge, active stylus that operates like the surface pro. There's two variants.

    Table projection is this type of thing (you can touch trigger the table like a tablet via infrared sensors - this is a sony device, obviously not a phone though):

    sony-xperia-projector-5.jpg

    Essentially your surface phone will be able to play giant tablet, in continuum mode, on a table, for an hour. And the two devices themselves will look vaguely like this:

    microsoft-surface-phone-concept-2016-bartlomiej-4.jpg

    So this isn't ONE Microsoft phone,

    It's not TWO Microsoft phones,

    Its THREE goddamn catergory defining Microsoft phones.

    MS said mobile wasn't a priority and we believed them lol. All the while they are working on three catergory breaking phones! What a trick :P

    We didn't even know if we'd get ONE. "Satya:...oh we'll probably make phones again one day" *whilst ACTIVELY working on THREE phones. He should play poker!
    Last edited by Drael646464; 06-06-2017 at 07:42 AM.
    06-06-2017 07:18 AM
  8. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I believe this is what is popularly known as "fake news."

    FAKE NEWS!
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    06-06-2017 10:46 AM
  9. monster5's Avatar
    i don't think that Microsoft will release a new windows mobile they lost all the market share that they got in the last years and people (me :p) will not trust Microsoft and buy from them phones any more
    06-08-2017 07:19 PM
  10. Jozef jurcisin's Avatar
    I believe this is what is popularly known as "fake news."

    FAKE NEWS!
    you are wrong!
    They are 3 CovFeFe!
    06-09-2017 01:32 PM
  11. cactuspete23's Avatar
    So, is this fake or real? Guess we wait and find out ?
    06-19-2017 06:45 AM
  12. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    I think this has a grain of truth, not a large one, but one nonetheless. With Windows 10 Mobile on Feature 2 branch permanently and Microsoft rebooting the phone OS again (apparently) this does make a lot of sense.
    06-19-2017 08:30 AM
  13. chenryhen's Avatar
    I desperately want this to be true, but unless I'm mistaken, there hasn't been even partial confirmation since the leak right?
    06-19-2017 08:49 AM
  14. Drael646464's Avatar
    I think this has a grain of truth, not a large one, but one nonetheless. With Windows 10 Mobile on Feature 2 branch permanently and Microsoft rebooting the phone OS again (apparently) this does make a lot of sense.
    Theres like a grain of facts in what you said. There is no current plan to move win10m from feature2 (although it will be getting features there, so not to panic).

    The second part though is just something windows bloggers and various fans have made up. No official MSFT source has said anything about a "reboot".
    06-19-2017 09:37 AM
  15. L0rdG1gabyt3's Avatar
    I would sooooo love for this to be true! Unfortunately, I doubt this device will help with the app experience. My wife and daughter have moved on from WM10 onto an iPhone7 and Android device respectively, and I get a bit jealous when I see apps like FB load quickly (and on the first time), perform properly, and be feature current. Unless FB sees a future here, its going to stay terrible.
    06-19-2017 01:07 PM
  16. Drael646464's Avatar
    I would sooooo love for this to be true! Unfortunately, I doubt this device will help with the app experience. My wife and daughter have moved on from WM10 onto an iPhone7 and Android device respectively, and I get a bit jealous when I see apps like FB load quickly (and on the first time), perform properly, and be feature current. Unless FB sees a future here, its going to stay terrible.
    There's a couple of webwrapper apps on win10m that run faster than the official app, like slimsocial.
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    06-19-2017 08:48 PM
  17. milkyway's Avatar
    Theres like a grain of facts in what you said. There is no current plan to move win10m from feature2 (although it will be getting features there, so not to panic).

    The second part though is just something windows bloggers and various fans have made up. No official MSFT source has said anything about a "reboot".
    If Thurrott reports it, then it is most certainly true:
    https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/1171...tware-hardware
    06-20-2017 01:18 AM
  18. Drael646464's Avatar
    If Thurrott reports it, then it is most certainly true:
    https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/1171...tware-hardware
    "Two independent sources inside of Microsoft have told me that there is a new hardware device being tested internally and that there is also a separate branch of Windows Mobile for this device."

    You see thurott interprets this as "reboot". But if you think about what he's actually been told, that its a "branch", its obvious its not a reboot. A branch, isn't a reboot. A branch is a fork in the road, it means that there is another "branch" ie win10m. Two OS SKUs, one for the new device, and one for the current devices.

    Pretty logical if you consider it.

    It seems IMO to be talking about Andromeda.

    Andromeda, because its a new form factor, with as far as I can tell, dual detachable screens, requires its own OS. Obviously win10m wasn't designed for that sort of application.

    Check here, in my thread, which discusses code found, and aspirational videos, that came about well before all this recent talk of new phone hardware.

    And keep in mind the COO of surface division and the CEO of MSFT words about "will not look like phones do today". When MSFT releases a phone, it will not look like phones today. That is, it won't just have a hinge and a keyboard slapped on, it won't just have different software, but it will be a radical departure from slab smartphones.

    They were both teasing a current project - Andromeda.

    Anyway, here's the thread I made:

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/up...ml#post3670664

    Here's one of the parts of code that was found:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/h0x0d/sta...92892734730241

    Here's the code showing Andromeda is an sku of windows, like win10m is:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/h0x0d/sta...92892734730241

    *God dang it, one of thems been taken down, see next post

    And here's a screen cap of the detachable clamshell dual screen design, from microsofts much earlier aspirational video:

    Attachment 135864

    As you can see, this stuff, which (sorry to repeat this) is actually part of the windows code, is a lot more concrete than whispers from his insiders (although they entirely match, which does make me wonder if the similar whispers about "one last Lumia this year to tide us over until the new thing" might also be true). And it shows what is obvious linguistically, "a branch" is not a reboot, it's a deviation from, it's a new device catergory with matching OS.

    People have been saying reboot for so long now, all this surface phone, windows on arm on a phone, ultramobile blah, blah, I don't think a lot of these bloggers can see the wood for the trees any more. Almost everything they hear no matter what it is, they see "reboot". They are "reboot mad".

    The writing is right there on the wall of the current windows code - this is a new SKU (ie branch of the OS), based on win10m, with a "hinge value" and TWO SEPERATE sets of gyros. It's not a reboot, its a new type of product, like the surface was.

    And despite there being hard proof in the windows code, none of these bloggers remotely see this coming. They are being dropped clues all over the place, and they still haven't got it. Reboot this, cshell that. The CEO made it completely clear what their intention was. The COO echoed his words. They literally showed us what it might look like in a video, and now these leakers are telling us "new branch based on win10m", but...still they imagine some slab phone with a new OS being the next step......

    That said, blog writers are not serious journalists. They are click farms. They make money with sensationalist titles, and their only intergerity or accuracy requirements are hardware/software reviews, and tech events. The rest of the time, they have full license to ramble whatever speculative whatever they like - and are encouraged to, if people click the link, buy into the speculation, and spread it to their friends.

    It's a bit like the "converting to apple" articles on the main page here. You know they only do that because like an article on feminism, the feminists click to support, the anti-feminists click to hate, and nobody wins but the advertising revenue and google rankings.

    I'm not saying I know exactly what this "Andromeda" device is, or what it will be called. But if there's a new branch of windows, with a matching mobile device- well that's in the code already, was spotted awhile back, its this, which is absolutely not a reboot, it's not even nessasarily a replacement. Its a totally new, separate, thing, with a different type of useage, like hybrid tablets were, when they released the first surface.

    Amusing side note: Virtually all windows bloggers seem to think Andromeda is something to do with cshell, because someone said it once, and Chinese whispers. So far as I know, no blogger has reported on these code discoveries that actually make it pretty clear what Andromeda is, and what the "new device with a new os' is. The site we are on, has referred to it as an aspect of cshell, and I imagine thurott probably has to. Blogs aren't nessasarily authorities. Heck, news channels aren't. Not saying I am, I get plenty wrong, but with this one, actually all the pieces of evidence are clearer than they usually are with these things.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 06-20-2017 at 02:34 AM.
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  19. Drael646464's Avatar
    I just realized, that quite suspiciously, the link showing that Andromeda has a hinge value, and two separate gyros is gone.

    The one about the SKU part is still there. I'm willing to be Microsoft shut that down. It was still there about two weeks ago (ask nate W, Pm him, he found that tweet before I did)

    No wonder though, they probably have NDA's up the wazoo' and don't want this leaked too early.
    06-20-2017 02:32 AM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    If Thurrott reports it, then it is most certainly true:
    Says who? Thurrott?

    Please tell me you are being sarcastic...

    SMH
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    06-20-2017 05:38 AM
  21. milkyway's Avatar
    Says who? Thurrott?

    Please tell me you are being sarcastic...

    SMH
    Yes, I do think you would not report it with this clear statement if it wasn't true. Surely, MS could always change their plans along the way though
    06-20-2017 06:29 AM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    All very exciting, but will is work as it should (unlike W10M) and will it be affordable? Without those 2 things it's just a dream.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    06-20-2017 07:01 AM
  23. Ayrton01CZ's Avatar
    I get a bit jealous when I see apps like FB load quickly (and on the first time), perform properly, and be feature current
    That is weird, FB is the only apps that I've been struggling with on regular basis! FB and Messenger. They have soo many features that the apps are not so stable anymore. And if you have an older phone, FB can kill it. My friend has a 3 years old phone and FB is the only app he is really struggling badly with.
    06-20-2017 07:02 AM
  24. Drael646464's Avatar
    That is weird, FB is the only apps that I've been struggling with on regular basis! FB and Messenger. They have soo many features that the apps are not so stable anymore. And if you have an older phone, FB can kill it. My friend has a 3 years old phone and FB is the only app he is really struggling badly with.
    FB and messenger is the only thing that lags, or doesn't work properly on my win10m phone. Everything else is just right. Its the apps, they are terrible.

    I run a web wrapper called slimsocial. Much faster.

    I do think FB in general, on all OSes is bloated. They have an app platform, a social network, a video chat, a browser, a bot system.

    I get the notion of a "super app", but those other components should be optional, just like apps outside facebook are. If you don't run FB apps, you shouldn't have to run the app environment. If you don't want the browser or video chat, you shouldn't have to.

    IMO, that's a lot of the problem. The "features".
    06-20-2017 08:17 AM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    @milkyway Are these tech reporters not human? No one is infallible. You will never convince me that any press, no matter what area they report on, is 100% correct 100% of the time. Ain't gonna happen.

    Glad you have confidence in the source, but I'll not blindly accept the statement "If Thurrott reports it, then it is most certainly true..." And you can substitute any name in there you want: I'll not agree.
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