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  1. bleached's Avatar
    Any high end phone today needs these things. If Andromeda is missing either, it will be a tough sale compared to the iPhones and Galaxy devices they do have them.
    asoyemi likes this.
    06-18-2018 12:41 PM
  2. Anthony Morgan's Avatar
    The device needs to be able to handle voice communications in some manner, whether it is through the carrier's sim or through an app like Skype, but the hardware (microphone, speaker, etc.) needs to be there.

    For the camera, it would need to be able to work seamlessly with Office Lens, be able to stitch together panoramas quickly, and not subject clients to unobstructed views of my nose hair when on a video conference call. Do I need special portrait modes, ultra slo mo or other trick photography, NO.

    If this is meant as a productivity, note-taking, designing, brainstorming device, then it needs to do those type of tasks better than everyone else.
    06-18-2018 12:42 PM
  3. Dan12R's Avatar
    1. Yes. Otherwise it's just a foldable tablet and that's not too valuable.
    2. State of the art, no. Respectable, yes.

    Keep in mind that we're talking about a device that could be forming a whole new product category. We can't look at it just on phone or tablet considerations. What it can do and its use cases could change the equation quite a bit.
    asoyemi and Jcmg62 like this.
    06-18-2018 12:54 PM
  4. Manus Imperceptus's Avatar
    1: Yes. It's selling point is portability; I highly doubt I'd consider this if it couldn't replace my smartphone in at least some scenarios...
    2: Yes. At least as good as the 950XL, preferably faster, with faster focusing and perhaps even dual lenses (wide angle)...
    Edit: My real life use case - as an architect I often inspect buildings as well as building sites, noting things that need to be attended to. Being able to take reasonable photos on site, even in locations with limited lighting, for closer study back at the office is crucial. A device like this speculated Andromeda would be perfect for the job, but only if I could instantly take and scribble notes on quality photos...
    Last edited by Manus Imperceptus; 06-19-2018 at 04:21 AM.
    Lightning_Racer likes this.
    06-18-2018 01:08 PM
  5. Hirox K's Avatar
    1. No. I seldom call or SMS anymore. Just need data.
    2. No. Good if it has but I do have a proper camera in my bag.
    EspHack likes this.
    06-18-2018 01:08 PM
  6. jay_max's Avatar
    I think Andromeda is DOA without telephony. A good mid-range camera would be acceptable.
    scoots37 likes this.
    06-18-2018 01:12 PM
  7. onysi's Avatar
    It needs to be 5G ready. Kill telephony and free phone number subscription to Skype for 3-5 years.

    Sell it directly from online or tech stores to avoid AT&T hogging exclusivity with their ****ty data caps.
    EspHack likes this.
    06-18-2018 01:12 PM
  8. BanditoTR's Avatar
    If andromeda is a pocket PC it would need telephone capability (not necessarily SMS capability too) but not a camera.
    06-18-2018 01:58 PM
  9. asoyemi's Avatar
    We (WC) should conduct two polls.
    1. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have traditional native telephony in order for you to buy one?
    2. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have a state of the art camera in order for you to buy one?
    To both of your questions, I say big YES
    06-18-2018 02:08 PM
  10. anon(10458357)'s Avatar
    Without FULL phone telephony, and without a great camera there is absolutely ZERO reason to buy Andromeda. It's just a big brick in our pockets otherwise. If MS won't release a Surface Phone then this device NEEDS... yes ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES it to be the next best thing to a phone.

    I'd also venture to say that it REQUIRES a GPS too! It needs to be a phone for crying out loud... albeit, one that runs full Windows Core OS and folds out into a tablet. Phone first... folding tablet second!
    06-18-2018 02:16 PM
  11. EspHack's Avatar
    1-NO: they should have the courage to finally end "traditional" calls and sms, at least I wish they do

    2-state of the art camera? as in hardware? just put the 950's module there, the snapdragon 1000+ will do the rest

    they can(and hopefully will) invest heavily in imaging tech since "MR" is their big thing, so I would expect a pixel-like level of software magic to turn that camera into a nightmare to any competitor(it already is based on pure hardware alone), and considering its not a middle of the road sensor but the mighty 950's zeiss lens + pureview wizardry, adding the software and cpu bruteforce will just demolish whatever is out there usurping nokia's imaging legacy today

    not just still pictures and selfie tricks, but all sorts of amazing MR showcases
    06-18-2018 02:17 PM
  12. agnish chakraborty's Avatar
    1. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have traditional native telephony in order for you to buy one?
    Ans:- Yes, because that will eventually elemenate the necessity of a secondary device for telephony and that, will actually serve upto Microsoft's motto of actual productivity.
    2. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have a state of the art camera in order for you to buy one?
    Ans:-Yes of course, that's a prime factor of a pro photographer.
    Trix256 likes this.
    06-18-2018 02:39 PM
  13. Yangstax's Avatar
    Andromeda would fail miserably without telephony. Nobody want to carry two devices in their pockets, one phone and one folded tablet. It has to be ONE. It may not be called Surface Phone, but it better be one or a disaster is in the making.
    Trix256 and Lightning_Racer like this.
    06-18-2018 02:52 PM
  14. Jcmg62's Avatar
    We (WC) should conduct two polls.
    1. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have traditional native telephony in order for you to buy one?
    2. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have a state of the art camera in order for you to buy one?

    1. Yes. Absolutely. Total deal breaker without it.

    2. So so. Would be nice if it at least takes Lumia 950 quality pics
    06-18-2018 03:24 PM
  15. Akira X's Avatar
    We (WC) should conduct two polls.
    1. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have traditional native telephony in order for you to buy one?
    2. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have a state of the art camera in order for you to buy one?
    Im at the point now since moving from my 950xl and being on Android (S8) for the last year or so, im really like Who Cares. android has been meeting all my needs and then some.

    If an Andromeda device without a good camera sells for over $1k, but an Andromeda with a state of the art camera is $1,500... Forget that...
    06-18-2018 03:33 PM
  16. noirsoft's Avatar
    Yes
    No.

    I want a device that can replace my personal phone. I already carry two phones with me (work, personal) and I would/could not carry a third device just for the novelty of 2 screens. It must replace one of the two I already have.

    Super duper camera is not a must, but a decent camera is. It should be at least as good as my Lumia 950.
    06-18-2018 04:16 PM
  17. Eric Hamilton's Avatar
    1. Yes.
    2. No. Although I just read today that phone calls won't be something that this device will even be able to do. It will have LTE connectivity, but that will be for web and email connectivity, and not for phone calls. From the article I read today: "As for the phone capabilities, there are contradictory reports in this regard, but there’s a big chance it won’t be a phone. Not in the conventional way, that’s for sure, so you won’t be able to walk around with this device next to your ear and talk to your friends. LTE will be offered, but only for Internet access on the go." So, we will see. This was from the web site Softpedia news.
    06-18-2018 05:58 PM
  18. Trix256's Avatar
    1. Hell yeah - Why carry around more than one device. I know I only carry around my phone
    2. Hell yeah - If you want this to be competitive then it must have a good camera. Again I only carry around my phone, and we take more photos nowadays than we ever have before. The camera is one of the best features of the Lumia series and that's why I've still got mine. If you don't think a camera is important to people then take a look at any social platform/app and think again.
    Last edited by Trix256; 06-18-2018 at 07:46 PM.
    06-18-2018 06:05 PM
  19. aXross's Avatar
    1. Yes, no excuses not to have one. It has to have one. Able to use a pocketable device has to have cellular functions that able to make calls and send SMS. Andromeda is still technically a smartphone. A smartphone nowadays is not just a mobile phone with computer functions anymore, it is other way around. Its is the modern equivalent of pocket PCs.

    2. Yes, why not and because it is a flagship product that is expensive, really expensive. Having a device that can do-it-all which includes able to take great photos is something expected nowadays. Maybe it won't be a same quality as Lumia 950/XL PureView devices, but still needs to be more than average if possible. The problem here is physics since we expect Andromeda device to be really slim, and would be challenging to fit a bigger camera module with a good sensor on it. Number 2 can be not the greatest camera is acceptable, but it still has to be good to be still more than usable.
    06-18-2018 06:21 PM
  20. sd4f's Avatar
    1. Yes, still need to make calls every now and then.
    2. No. Would be nice if it did, but if it's as good as the L950 and a lot faster, then I'll be happy. Dedicated camera button would be really nice too, but can't see it working on it.

    MS can say that the andromeda device isn't a smartphone until they're blue in the face, but it's trying to replace one, it needs to do most smartphone functions as well. Telephony is still quite common, and just works too conveniently to be replaced by most other things. Camera is an intrinsic component of mobile devices. Things like instagram have made amateur photography so much more pleasurable, and broadly speaking, a lot of people like taking nice photos. Apple and google don't skimp on their cameras, neither should MS.
    06-18-2018 08:47 PM
  21. ChrisBartlett's Avatar
    1. Absolutely yes.
    2. Absolutely yes.
    06-18-2018 09:30 PM
  22. vrans99's Avatar
    1) Absolutely! Won't carry two portable devices.
    2) Yes. I believe it should come with an impressive camera with three lenses for AR and 3D.
    3) Android APPS. Won't carry two portable devices.
    06-18-2018 10:12 PM
  23. Aden Rossinni's Avatar
    Definitely needs telephony, and 200% needs a good camera, at least 950xl quality. Even if you take one photo a year, let it be good, and then there is MS Lens etc. Can't wait!!!!!
    06-18-2018 10:47 PM
  24. Jeffery L's Avatar
    1. Telephony is a must. If you can't make calls and text, then I won't carry it around. I'll just carry a smartphone. And if I'm not going to carry it around, then I don't see the point in buying it.

    2. I would like a camera at least as good as the Lumia 950. I'm confused though about where the lens and camera display goes. Will Andromeda have to be unfolded to take pictures? Because I can't figure how you can fold it and expose the camera lens and camera display at the same time. Maybe the lens is small and fits in the bevel and can be on the same side as the display; like a front facing camera. Then I guess you could take pictures folded. Unless Andromeda has three displays? Ok. I don't know what I'm talking about.

    3. I wanted to add that Andromeda needs GPS, Bluetooth, and headphone jack. Of course since I'm saying it needs to have telephony, then it needs microphone and speaker (which should be a given). I would like it to support at least 512 GB SD card. There should be peripheral support right out the gate with version 1.0. That is, there should be a desktop docking device that will support connectivity to two monitors, mouse, and keyboard. I would be really happy if a lapdock device is available. Win32 support for x64 is also very important. But if Andromeda has Win32 support, I only want all the overhead of Win32 to be running in the background when I allow it to. For example, if running on battery, I would like to have the option to suspend Win32 scheduled tasks.
    06-18-2018 11:52 PM
  25. tofab123's Avatar
    Yes. I will not even take a look at, whatever it is, if it comes without
    Yes
    06-18-2018 11:59 PM
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