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  1. teemulehtinen's Avatar
    1. Yes. It has to be the real smart phone to kill the smartphones of today.

    2. Yes. It has to be able to replace the device in your pocket and do a lot more.
    06-19-2018 01:36 AM
  2. raycpl's Avatar
    As good camera as 950XL. I stop counting how often people want the image quality I took with soon-to-extinct W10M phone
    Ain't that the truth!!

    ... !
    06-19-2018 02:32 AM
  3. Drael646464's Avatar
    1. Telephony is a must. If you can't make calls and text, then I won't carry it around. I'll just carry a smartphone. And if I'm not going to carry it around, then I don't see the point in buying it.

    2. I would like a camera at least as good as the Lumia 950. I'm confused though about where the lens and camera display goes. Will Andromeda have to be unfolded to take pictures? Because I can't figure how you can fold it and expose the camera lens and camera display at the same time. Maybe the lens is small and fits in the bevel and can be on the same side as the display; like a front facing camera. Then I guess you could take pictures folded. Unless Andromeda has three displays? Ok. I don't know what I'm talking about.

    3. I wanted to add that Andromeda needs GPS, Bluetooth, and headphone jack. Of course since I'm saying it needs to have telephony, then it needs microphone and speaker (which should be a given). I would like it to support at least 512 GB SD card. There should be peripheral support right out the gate with version 1.0. That is, there should be a desktop docking device that will support connectivity to two monitors, mouse, and keyboard. I would be really happy if a lapdock device is available. Win32 support for x64 is also very important. But if Andromeda has Win32 support, I only want all the overhead of Win32 to be running in the background when I allow it to. For example, if running on battery, I would like to have the option to suspend Win32 scheduled tasks.
    There's an interesting set of questions - does snapdragon support m.2 ssd?

    Also for dual screen display, does the usb standard on snapdragon have enough bandwidth? Single screen I'm sure it could handle..but dual screen?

    Because ARM is very new to actual computers, I wonder what snapdragons limits are in these terms?

    Because I'm sure you could just use a generic usb-c laptop dock, and at the price point it would absolutely make sense to include the option for SSD (depending on how thin they try and make it/space design). I guess EMMC 5.1 is pretty fast though these days, so it would not be the end of the world if they just used EMMC, but the docking question is at least kind of an interesting one - if one hada device like this, given it can be a phone, a tablet (and with a portable keyboard and a stand a sort of laptop kinda) it would be very tempting to use it as an on the go PC and if you did you could have

    -external SSD hard drive
    -two monitors
    -network connection

    all running off the USB bus, and I'm not sure if snapdragon has that kind of bandwidth....

    Does anyone know what the maximum theoretical bandwidth of the latest snapdragon's USB runs at?
    06-19-2018 03:03 AM
  4. BogdanWG's Avatar
    1. YES
    2. Absolutely YES. Level L950XL or above.
    06-19-2018 03:45 AM
  5. WyattEarpNS's Avatar
    1. Yes
    2. Yes - Camera but not a high end.
    06-19-2018 05:19 AM
  6. Urbautz's Avatar
    1. YES
    We are not far enough to do everything via Skype / Teams / Slack / WA

    2. A bit
    It needs a camera with enough quality to take photos of whiteboards for office lens. So it doesn't need to be top notch, level of current Mid-Ranged Androids is enough for my needs.
    Still, Lumia 820 camera level would be great, which is still only equaled by iPhone X and beaten by new Huawai P20.
    06-19-2018 05:22 AM
  7. Burhan Eyimaya's Avatar
    1. Yes
    2. Yes

    But I don't think this device will be available outside the US
    06-19-2018 05:51 AM
  8. GraniteStateColin's Avatar
    rodneyej, great pair of questions. I think I agree with what most are saying here, but I have my own twist on these:

    1. Yes - must be able to make and receive calls. However, via a bluetooth headset or as a speakerphone would be fine for me -- I don't need to be able to hold this thing to my head. Otherwise, I'll finally break down and buy an Android flagship, and I won't buy both Andromeda and an Android phone.

    2. The camera would need to be about as good as what I'm currently used to in my smartphone -- now a Lumia Icon. That is, I don't want to feel like I'm DOWNGRADING my camera, but as long as it's not worse than what I'm using, I'd be OK with it. I avoided the HP Elite X3 almost exclusively because the camera was rated as significantly worse than what I have now. I don't need slow-motion or advanced lens functions, but I want to be able to take sharp pictures in day and low-light settings with good color reproduction.
    mtf1380 and teemulehtinen like this.
    06-19-2018 09:47 AM
  9. deadonthefloor's Avatar
    1. Limited. VoLTE only is OK. My carrier is rolling out VoLTE this year. No need for legacy radio types / bands that do nothing but cause another drain on the battery.

    2. Meh. Don't care. I assume if it's not as good as the Huawei cameras, their virtual PC solution may have more appeal to some.
    06-19-2018 12:09 PM
  10. GeorgeOnArm's Avatar
    Andromeda running on Snap850 comes with hardware accelerated AI for camera image/video processing. If 950xl well known for great image quality, image a 950XL camera with 850 AI accelerated image processing options and results.

    Definitely, we need at least 950 XL camera with Snap850 to deliver better image quality beyond what the current users of 950XL have.
    06-19-2018 12:17 PM
  11. Hirox K's Avatar
    1. No. I seldom call or SMS anymore. Just need data.
    btw, I said no to Q1 but... I know people want it. To me, it won't hurt to have it and I think it is easy for MS to include one. But again, I'm with deadonthefloor, data only would work fine for me.

    3. XPA, Surface Pen, is what I truly want!
    06-19-2018 01:51 PM
  12. Stiv X's Avatar
    I'll put this as simply as I can. The vast majority of potential customers won't even consider spending additional money on this device when they already pay lots for a smartphone, UNLESS it can replace their phone. So, it does not have to be called a *phone. However, it better do at least all the things a phone can do - including make calls and be the go to camera.
    teemulehtinen likes this.
    06-19-2018 03:30 PM
  13. Sean D.'s Avatar
    06-19-2018 04:10 PM
  14. Player Piano's Avatar
    Yes and Yes.
    06-19-2018 04:20 PM
  15. SvenJ's Avatar
    Of course it needs both. What would be the point of this 'new category' of device if I still need to carry one or more other things? There are plenty of options already if I want to carry two, or three, things.
    06-19-2018 04:51 PM
  16. GeorgeOnArm's Avatar
    "Current prototypes feature telephony capabilies, which mean it'll be able to make calls and send texts just like you could on Windows phone. Andromeda is definitely not a "Windows phone" however, so don't expect Microsoft to position this device as a competitor to the iPhone or Pixel."
    06-20-2018 04:04 AM
  17. opium_tm's Avatar
    We (WC) should conduct two polls.
    1. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have traditional native telephony in order for you to buy one?
    2. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have a state of the art camera in order for you to buy one?
    Both answers - YES
    06-20-2018 10:55 AM
  18. sd4f's Avatar
    " Andromeda is definitely not a "Windows phone" however, so don't expect Microsoft to position this device as a competitor to the iPhone or Pixel."
    I sort of wonder about this. Is it MS saying that just so that the past of WP and W10M is put aside and doesn't plague this new release, or is it because it well and truly isn't trying to be a phone?

    Because if anyone would say that the surface isn't a laptop, well, it's close enough. Sure, it doesn't follow the same form factor, but it's not that far off that one couldn't make valid comparisons, and after all, I don't think anyone says I need a laptop and a surface; they're similar enough that one can substitute the other.

    So I'm inclined to think that while that is being repeated; that andromeda isn't a phone, I still think that very few people will carry both, the andromeda device and a smartphone, at the same time. The people that will are probably the same ones who already carry two smartphones.
    06-20-2018 06:53 PM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    We (WC) should conduct two polls.
    1. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have traditional native telephony in order for you to buy one?
    2. Is it necessary for Andromeda to have a state of the art camera in order for you to buy one?
    1. Yes, what's the point otherwise?
    2. Hell yes, if I'm gonna drop 2 grand on this it better make coffee too.

    Sent from my Lumia 950 on mTalk
    06-20-2018 08:43 PM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    1. Yes, what's the point otherwise?
    2. Hell yes, if I'm gonna drop 2 grand on this it better make coffee too.

    Sent from my Lumia 950 on mTalk
    2 grand???
    It better do more than make coffee, it better grow the beans too.
    06-20-2018 09:00 PM
  21. markr65's Avatar
    1: Yes it need a phone and SMS, don't want to carry a phone also.
    2: Needs a good camera.
    My money $$ is ready, been using Windows phone from the start (HTC PPC6800).
    06-20-2018 09:13 PM
  22. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    If it costs over 400, it can have genuine unicorn inside (it has to be very small to fit though) and I'll still skip it. Simply, I have no use for one and I don't have desire for one.
    BUT, if "Andromeda" does phone calls and has great camera, there's a chance it'll be "(just) another Windows Mobile" and it will not sell because Android and Apple. Therefore I'd have to answer no to both.

    My next phone will do phone calls and propably has sort of good camera, but it won't be running Windows, unless very strange things happen in mobile environment.
    06-23-2018 05:35 PM
  23. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    Yes it must have a very good camera and telephony. Having multiple devices is becoming an ever expensive and increased maintenance affair. We should be thinking about a single device that could replace the tablet pc and phone. I think thats part of the appeal of the andromeda hardware. Anything less and the device is pointless for me. Im not going to carry around a surface pro and a smartphone and andromeda device, come on!
    07-07-2018 10:36 PM
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