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  1. Jcmg62's Avatar
    07-02-2018 09:52 AM
  2. dlalonde's Avatar
    I was going to start this thread myself. This is what I told Mary Jo Foley

    Microsoft's going to miss the boat yet again. They're in a position where they could be pioneers by taking advantage of all the Web technologies (with PWAs) while all the other platforms are caught in their non future proof app model. Won't be the first time MS sabotages itself...

    To which she replied "timing is hard. it's bad to be late. it's also bad to be too early with something that isn't ready"

    And I agree, I think they should wait so they don't go the Windows 8 way but not give up altogether. Given they don't have an OS out at the moment they have the advantage to put all their manpower on building Andromeda and several key PWA's before releasing it ready to be used.

    Microsoft's in a great position right now... why are they, again, sinking their own ship!?
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    07-02-2018 09:55 AM
  3. Jcmg62's Avatar
    I was going to start this thread myself. This is what I told Mary Jo Foley

    Microsoft's going to miss the boat yet again. They're in a position where they could be pioneers by taking advantage of all the Web technologies (with PWAs) while all the other platforms are caught in their non future proof app model. Won't be the first time MS sabotages itself...

    To which she replied "timing is hard. it's bad to be late. it's also bad to be too early with something that isn't ready"

    And I agree, I think they should wait so they don't go the Windows 8 way but not give up altogether. Given they don't have an OS out at the moment they have the advantage to put all their manpower on building Andromeda and several key PWA's before releasing it ready to be used.

    Microsoft's in a great position right now... why are they, again, sinking their own ship!?
    All good points, but still sucks. Everyone is pushing duel screens hard. MS are going to end up missing this boat too.

    Man, wtf...even Panos has been posting hints about this thing arriving.

    Frankly, I hope Mary Jo is way wrong
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    07-02-2018 10:03 AM
  4. Luuthian's Avatar
    https://www.phonearena.com/news/surf...-year_id106258

    Another article. Dammit, this was a huge buzzkill. Was looking forward to this device and now... What a waste. I mean, sure, it probably is too early in some ways to make the device viable but what now? Microsoft needs in on the mobile game again in some way asap IMO. This is a huge blow to consumer fans.

    I'm starting to wonder if bundling *everything* under the Windows 10 OS is starting to harm Microsoft more than it helps them. By keeping OSes separate companies like Google and Apple are able to dedicate separate teams and resources to Chrome/Android or MacOS/iOS. This allows both OSes to share some features and communicate while remaining adaptable and nimble as time moves on.

    I mean, yes, there are benefits to Microsoft's unified OS ideology for sure, but I'm starting to wonder if those benefits don't outweigh the costs in the long term with delaying/cancellation of products or services because they all have to exist as a chunk of windows 10 in some way.
    Last edited by Luuthian; 07-02-2018 at 02:01 PM.
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    07-02-2018 01:46 PM
  5. Jcmg62's Avatar
    https://www.phonearena.com/news/surf...-year_id106258

    Another article. Dammit, this was a huge buzzkill. Was looking forward to this device and now... What a waste. I mean, sure, it probably is too early in some ways to make the device viable but what now? Microsoft needs in on the mobile game again in some way asap IMO. This is a huge blow to consumer fans.
    I'm gutted TBH. This was the only windows device I was looking forward to.

    I mean, all of the patents, the cryptic hints, the announcement of the Snapdragon 850 chip with specific duel screen support, the displays that LG would be supplying, the internal emails that talked about this device being actively developed. It was here dammit. It was as good as done.

    Here's what I'm hoping...

    That MS have "leaked" this story to kill the hype so that when it's announced onstage in October, it comes as a total shock and blows eveyone away.

    I'm clinging to the idea that this is a marketing ploy.

    We live in hope...
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    07-02-2018 02:02 PM
  6. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    "Additionally, the guys in Redmond do not see any demand for a device like the one that has been the subject of a number of patents"

    I guess their plan of creating a new category of mobile computing is not panning out. This news is a bummer for sure, but it's a smart move for them at the moment. Hopefully, they figure out a lucrative consumer plan soon.
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    07-02-2018 02:05 PM
  7. Luuthian's Avatar
    I mean if the market isn't there then it makes sense. But like Jcmg62 I'm pretty gutted about it. I've currently got an iPhone, iPad and an eight year old Windows 10 gaming PC. My dream setup long term would have been something like Andromeda and and a Windows 10 gaming laptop, ditching the rest and finally settling on one manufacturers hardware. That dream's basically dead now since I'll be choosing new hardware later in the year. Even is Andromeda comes out a year from now or later... yay, too late.

    Real shame no matter what. Especially since, so far as we know, there is *nothing* in the pipeline to replace it. At best you can use a Windows launcher on Android.
    07-02-2018 02:13 PM
  8. Iain_S's Avatar
    seems to be the same old story with MS. Samsung will release theirs next year and by that time MS would have missed the boat again. Most people if they want a device like this will go with an android based device, especially if Samsungs hits the market first, There is no second place when it comes to this.
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    07-02-2018 02:22 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    I'm starting to wonder if bundling *everything* under the Windows 10 OS is starting to harm Microsoft more than it helps them. By keeping OSes separate companies like Google and Apple are able to dedicate separate teams and resources to Chrome/Android or MacOS/iOS. This allows both OSes to share some features and communicate while remaining adaptable and nimble as time moves on.
    I don't know about the logistics, but I always did have reservations about one OS for everything. To me, it would be like a truck driver trying to use some kind of hybrid vehicle for both hauling freight and as a personal vehicle. Technically possible? Yes. Practical? Probably not. It wouldn't do either job well.

    We do see a bit of the advantage of one core OS with how W10M continues to get security updates, no doubt piggybacking somewhat from desktop. However, it is also being left behind in development, which indicates that it is not as simple as one OS.
    libra89, TgeekB, ven07 and 2 others like this.
    07-02-2018 02:42 PM
  10. mtf1380's Avatar
    hopefully, they are going to wait to fully bake and maybe the Snapdragon 1000 chip...that would be well worth the wait for me (and a great camera)
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    07-02-2018 03:11 PM
  11. Luuthian's Avatar
    We do see a bit of the advantage of one core OS with how W10M continues to get security updates, no doubt piggybacking somewhat from desktop. However, it is also being left behind in development, which indicates that it is not as simple as one OS.
    Security is a nice one for sure. As are blanket updates for the basic things or apps like Edge etc. There are advantages. The problem is adding anything to the ecosystem that it doesn't already have. Every other product has to be adapted and updated to accept the new device in some way which is a huge hurdle to ever creating new platforms.

    Hopefully this isn't a shot in the foot we see become more and more common for hardware.

    hopefully, they are going to wait to fully bake and maybe the Snapdragon 1000 chip...that would be well worth the wait for me (and a great camera)
    Ha, you have to wonder what's going to become of the 1000 series chip now
    07-02-2018 04:58 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    hopefully, they are going to wait to fully bake and maybe the Snapdragon 1000 chip...that would be well worth the wait for me (and a great camera)
    I can't say I'm surprised mostly because LG is having production issues. Microsoft doesn't build anything and Life's Great was supposed to be their supplier for the LCDs. The SD850 chip currently being used on the new WoA laptops is not performing as well as had been expected.

    Put all these things together and you have the makings of a colossal failure at launch. I'm very intrigued by this rig if it ever comes to light but my W10 Mobile devices have support for at least another year. I can wait. Besides, Samsung isn't releasing their "foldable" device at least until 2nd half of 2019 and nobody else is seriously in the mix. Chillax.
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    07-02-2018 07:12 PM
  13. Timbre70's Avatar
    Expected as like it would have been.

    Users need reliable hardware with excellent tightly integrated software into a device. Not some fancy folding thingy which is unproven.

    I say build a proper slab phone first.
    07-02-2018 07:29 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    Expected as like it would have been.

    Users need reliable hardware with excellent tightly integrated software into a device. Not some fancy folding thingy which is unproven.

    I say build a proper slab phone first.
    MS doesn’t get it or doesn’t care, one or the other.
    They could easily have continued building and developing smartphones while attempting to get their act together with these new devices at some future date. They quit on their customers all the time.
    Timbre70, Elky64, mtf1380 and 4 others like this.
    07-02-2018 07:40 PM
  15. Timbre70's Avatar
    MS doesn’t get it or doesn’t care, one or the other.
    They could easily have continued building and developing smartphones while attempting to get their act together with these new devices at some future date. They quit on their customers all the time.
    Exactly. There's no need to abandon WM while concurrently working on something supposedly new.
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    07-02-2018 07:53 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    MS doesn’t get it or doesn’t care, one or the other.
    They could easily have continued building and developing smartphones while attempting to get their act together with these new devices at some future date. They quit on their customers all the time.
    If you haven't fired up your Idol lately, you should. I've never seen Windows working this well. The promised bug fixes have so far been a welcome sight. Maybe in the long run this hiatus will be justified with a proper mobile/PC hybrid OS that will become a true 3rd player. Regardless of how any of us feels about their respective choice of OS, we need that 3rd option.
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    07-02-2018 10:54 PM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    Security is a nice one for sure.
    It is, in theory at least. But the general public doesn't seem to care much about security. It is certainly not a selling point for many.

    Functionality and stability seem to be far more important.
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    07-03-2018 12:12 AM
  18. anon(10458357)'s Avatar
    I think canceling Andromeda will be the final straw for many folks. Canceling Andromeda would be horribly deflating to fans and developers alike.

    I don't think it can hurt to drop a line satya's way... satyan@microsoft.com, and urge him to consider the morale factor alone. He may just answer.
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    07-03-2018 01:35 AM
  19. Jcmg62's Avatar
    I think canceling Andromeda will be the final straw for many folks. Canceling Andromeda would be horribly deflating to fans and developers alike.

    I don't think it can hurt to drop a line satya's way... satyan@microsoft.com, and urge him to consider the morale factor alone. He may just answer.

    I was listening to Dan and Zac's podcast last night and they actually hit on a clever idea...

    If MS are worried about launching this device to a world that isn't ready for it, why not take a page from the Tesla playbook and run a pre-order programme, where those that want it have to stick down a hefty deposit.

    That way, MS will know exactly what level of appetite exists for the device. Heck, they could then even offer some sort of personalisation...maybe a unique engraving, on your device. Something that personalises it could help to market it.

    The worst case scenario in that instance is that MS only get a handful of deposits and can then justifiably say "hey, look, we tried, but no one wants this thing right now, so we're putting it back in the labs and will revisit it one day."

    Personally, I think they'd get pre-orders for tens of thousands.
    07-03-2018 02:03 AM
  20. nate0's Avatar
    I can't say I'm surprised mostly because LG is having production issues. Microsoft doesn't build anything and Life's Great was supposed to be their supplier for the LCDs. The SD850 chip currently being used on the new WoA laptops is not performing as well as had been expected.

    Put all these things together and you have the makings of a colossal failure at launch. I'm very intrigued by this rig if it ever comes to light but my W10 Mobile devices have support for at least another year. I can wait. Besides, Samsung isn't releasing their "foldable" device at least until 2nd half of 2019 and nobody else is seriously in the mix. Chillax.
    Guess someone(s) will not be seeing that Christmas bonus this year?
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    07-03-2018 02:54 AM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    If you haven't fired up your Idol lately, you should. I've never seen Windows working this well. The promised bug fixes have so far been a welcome sight. Maybe in the long run this hiatus will be justified with a proper mobile/PC hybrid OS that will become a true 3rd player. Regardless of how any of us feels about their respective choice of OS, we need that 3rd option.
    I have and do occasionally but it only lasts a short time. For me it cannot compare to the experience of my iPhone.
    It would be great to have a 3rd os, I agree, but that's not up to me.
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    07-03-2018 06:23 AM
  22. etphoto's Avatar
    I was listening to Dan and Zac's podcast last night and they actually hit on a clever idea...

    If MS are worried about launching this device to a world that isn't ready for it, why not take a page from the Tesla playbook and run a pre-order programme, where those that want it have to stick down a hefty deposit.

    That way, MS will know exactly what level of appetite exists for the device. Heck, they could then even offer some sort of personalisation...maybe a unique engraving, on your device. Something that personalises it could help to market it.

    The worst case scenario in that instance is that MS only get a handful of deposits and can then justifiably say "hey, look, we tried, but no one wants this thing right now, so we're putting it back in the labs and will revisit it one day."

    Personally, I think they'd get pre-orders for tens of thousands.
    Customers need to know what it is before they know if they want it. Right now, other than people who follow MS, no one knows what Andromeda is.

    Btw, I listened to that podcast as well and Zac claimed he checked with his MS sources and they knew nothing about Andromeda being cancelled. (if I heard him right)

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    Last edited by etphoto; 07-03-2018 at 09:44 AM.
    07-03-2018 07:19 AM
  23. Jcmg62's Avatar
    Customers need to know what it is before they know if they want it. Right now, other than people who follow MS, know what Andromeda is.

    Btw, I listened to that podcast as well and Zac claimed he checked with his MS sources and they knew nothing about Andromeda being cancelled. (if I heard him right)

    Sent from mTalk
    I agree, so maybe they should announce in October, possibly do a Hololens launch, make it available to developers and larger organisations first, see how it lands and how people interact with it. However, they shouldn't then wait 2 years before bringing it to the masses. Rather, within 12 months they should open up a pre-order channel, with a significant deposit required. If people really want it, they'llpony up the cash. Apple proved that with the $1000+ iphonex.

    Yeah, I picked up that part about Zac not hearing from anyone inside MS knowing about a delay or cancellation, and I suspect that's why Windows Central are holding off on reporting it. I would imagine they're waiting for something concrete before reporting, which is totally understandable.

    Honestly, I just cannot see this thing being cancelled. MS need a mobile play. It's not optional. Even if they have to take a high stakes gamble and risk losing some money, they need a play in mobile.
    07-03-2018 07:49 AM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    Even if they have to take a high stakes gamble and risk losing some money, they need a play in mobile.
    Isn't this what Microsoft has been doing for the last 8 years?

    It's not optional.
    Why not? Microsoft's mobile has been doing nothing but hemorrhaging cash the last number of years, and amazingly they are doing fine. It wouldn't be too difficult to justify the argument that overall they would be better off financially right now if WP never existed.
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    07-03-2018 08:01 AM
  25. mtf1380's Avatar
    After looking at the Microsoft Photo App and all it is capable of doing, I see Andromeda accessing all of its power on a mobile device...which could make it a grand slam for mobile photo/picture editing and posting to social media - very, very impressive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=tKlHajAyavg). If they were to market correctly AND had a fully baked OS, with a great camera...I know it would be HUGE! with the younger generation (and me:)
    07-03-2018 08:10 AM
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