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  1. Adventurer64's Avatar
    @onysi -- That makes total sense. A phone that has no apps wouldn't use much battery because you wouldn't spend a lot of time doing anything with it. Your Android phone doesn't last as long because it has apps and you probably use it more than your WP.
    Good point. However, I use my 950xl heavily because I travel weekly for business and rely on it for text, email, web, music, navigation and camera. Unlike Android, I can pick and choose which apps run in the background. Plus, my 950xl is not trying to monetize every step of my day with ads, data collection ,etc. This makes a huge difference. With W10M I don't have to worry about random battery burn.
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    03-01-2019 09:40 PM
  2. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I think it's kinda sad that MS gave up on their mobile OS. Sure Google and Apple are the king's, and it would take a lot of resources, as in time, money and development, all of which MS has to be a contender.

    With MS giving up, it's going to be a tough hill to climb for the next OS to dethrone the others.
    03-01-2019 10:11 PM
  3. 1claire's Avatar
    That is a pretty tough question, and it will actually depend on the manufacturer as to whether they want to work with a new model after it's shutdown. It is not easy to beat the latest features that both Apple and Samsung pruduce as they launch smartphone from time to time. Huawei is also starting to step up their game, and then there are only few of us who loves Windows phone.
    03-04-2019 06:04 PM
  4. JamesJinSC's Avatar
    Android sucks, it's just the biggest google datamining product on the planet. You cannot completely shut down apps the way you can in Windows Phone - no way, no how. I tried that awful OS for 2 years and went back to Windows, even threw away my android tablets and picked up a Surface. The guy who made the call to kill the very best mobile OS in this day and age needs to be dragged out in the street and publicly flogged by the stockholders!

    Now they not only have killed the mobile OS but are openly hawking android and developing for them, They have elected to go chrome with their flagship browser that is 4 times faster than chrome and less invasive. Oh yeah, they have also turned their business model over to making rental software for their competitions OS while at the same time that same company is developing 'free' software and giving it away to replace MS software.

    Who left the buffoons in charge at MS?? Being a hardware vendor in these times with all of the thefts of intellectual property and technology by the chicoms is just plain silly. Selling rental software with the free android apps is insane. Bring back the mobile OS and make software that is second to none, respect our privacy, treat our devices for what they are, OUR devices.

    If I owned any significant share of MS there would be a TON of current execs from the top down going home empty handed because they have been handing over the company piece by piece to google.
    03-11-2019 11:21 PM
  5. Adventurer64's Avatar
    I agree JamesJin. I hope they at least extend support for W10M beyond end of 2019. Wishful thinking though. MS has been Scroogled. I'll probably switch to FireFox before I use a Chromium based browser. Once my 950xl is unusable, I'll likely move to iPhone since I can get one from employer for free.
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    03-11-2019 11:32 PM
  6. playfulseagull's Avatar
    Sadly Microsoft seems to abandon the consumer space in favor of enterprises. I guess that's where the money is at the moment. But I hope WP will come back in the future in some form and MS's bet on technology shift will come true.
    03-18-2019 05:42 AM
  7. sd4f's Avatar
    Sadly Microsoft seems to abandon the consumer space in favor of enterprises. I guess that's where the money is at the moment. But I hope WP will come back in the future in some form and MS's bet on technology shift will come true.
    With the benefit of hindsight, it appears obvious that in saying that they're targeting what comes after smartphones, it really says everything it needs to and foreshadowed the petering out of windows on phones.

    Now with respect to the consumer space, I don't have numbers to back it up, but there's a few important things to consider, and since I've got time to write, I don't mind sharing my thoughts on the phone situation, so here goes...

    Alphabet/Google, I suspect, isn't making the sort of money one would expect out of mobile; certainly not with the market dominance that they have. I base this on reports that google's share of app revenue is consistently lower than iOS. This is an important consideration because there's about 9 android users for every iOS user. I suspect that google has a significantly larger overhead than apple does (like 9 times the users...), and it just shows that google customers are a lot less valuable on average than on iOS.

    It goes all the way back to how android was released. They were late to the market, so in many respects, they had everything to gain, and nothing to lose, in the sense that, they were already coming from behind; it's all or nothing, so that's why google gave android away. This is a critical change in the way software has been distributed, but also one which google, and advertising company, could do because their main line of business meant that they could monetise users in other ways, but it also helped create a race to the bottom, for instance the app stores, particularly any game these days will generally adopt a freemium model because if you have to pay for it, you'll only get a minute fraction of the potential users. This is basically the whole google platform in a nutshell; millions of users who will never pay a cent for anything, but, because google relies on collecting data, and their services consistently require someone to be online, then those millions and millions of users cost google, in turn, it's why so many mobile games suck, because invariably the game has been gimped to encourage users to part with money.

    This, I further suspect, is why Microsoft has chosen to ignore the consumer market. They're not as well geared to make money from users who don't pay anything as google is. Additionally, MS doesn't have a few critical services which are kind of necessary to attract said users, like youtube, meanwhile google knows that it's a killer app and I remember well how they did whatever they could to prevent youtube from being on WP.

    Now, the growth of smartphones made me think that MS going the enterprise route was in a way directing it into insignificance. In a way, it still is the case, but I now think that it's not as simple as that, because ultimately, you can win the platform, but at what cost? There's no point dominating at a loss. But also, important to note that the smartphone war was determined by consumers and not enterprise, and enterprise ultimately decided to go the route that consumers went, as opposed to the PC wars, where I suspect that most people first encountered a PC at work. This is probably why MS still want in on the mobile space, but have decided to retreat for now, because there's more important revenue streams for them, in the mean time.

    I'm not surprised that the Andromeda device has been shelved, I'm sure I wrote about my doubts for its release on this forum. WP was a great OS, but really shows that MS is capable of doing great things when they're on the back foot, but that's also why they've given up, because they can't possibly make it a profitable business. It appears to me that MS want to come in from their strengths, and build up support that way rather than jumping into something completely exposed and able to be competed against from every possible angle.
    03-27-2019 09:29 AM
  8. Adventurer64's Avatar
    My company is moving towards Apple, so enterprise is far from a sure thing for MS. First iphones and now large scale rollout of ipads. I've seen a few mac books floating around as well. IMO thats largely due to consumer preferences influencing corporate buying decisions. Apparently, many of the SAP tasks at the plant level will now be handled with ipads. They evaluated Surfaces starting several years ago and decided to go with Apple. Back of the napkin calcs indicate my company is spending more on Apple devices than Dell PC's. Of course we still have Office 365.
    03-27-2019 05:25 PM
  9. Timbre70's Avatar
    Enjoy the apple pies.
    03-27-2019 11:15 PM
  10. cadiyatsia's Avatar
    Exactly. They are developing apps and bringing their ecosystem to Droid.
    They are not going to develop nothing with Android. Vidmate iTunes Notepad++Is just give terrain to their enemy, before do this, they would be better do nothing. MS is not a hardware developer to other companies, if they launch a device, they will do it with their own hardware.
    Last edited by cadiyatsia; 04-01-2019 at 02:46 PM.
    04-01-2019 12:59 PM
  11. eshropshire's Avatar
    They are not going to develop nothing with Android. Vidmate iTunes Notepad++Is just give terrain to their enemy, before do this, they would be better do nothing. MS is not a hardware developer to other companies, if they launch a device, they will do it with their own hardware.
    What are you talking about. Microsoft's strategy for the last few years is about cloud and serices. As part of this plan they finally have a winning mobile strategy, having their services available on the key platforms (Android and iOS). The success of the strategy has been demonstrated by Microsoft's financial results.

    Who wants to be in the low margine mobile hardware and OS business. Not Microsoft, after losing billions in mobile they are finally being successful where it matters.
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    04-01-2019 07:20 PM
  12. sd4f's Avatar
    What are you talking about. Microsoft's strategy for the last few years is about cloud and serices. As part of this plan they finally have a winning mobile strategy, having their services available on the key platforms (Android and iOS). The success of the strategy has been demonstrated by Microsoft's financial results.

    Who wants to be in the low margine mobile hardware and OS business. Not Microsoft, after losing billions in mobile they are finally being successful where it matters.
    I was wondering about this a few days ago.

    One thing that the tech companies all appear to be deathly afraid of, is giving up anything that they could possibly make money from. Look at apple with their new 'Apple Card', they're basically moving into banking. It makes complete sense why they have held NFC payment off their platform now.

    So I sort of get the feeling that MS has learnt a huge lesson with google, who became huge by living off largely MS platform, back when it was just a website running on millions of windows machines.

    There's no doubt that people at MS look at google and think, we were there, we could have easily done what they did. But since google have expanded into platforms, all in order to protect their premier product, at the time, I have a suspicion that maintaining a platform and all those costs associated are large and onerous. MS probably have strategically decided that they can leave all that work with google, and just make money offering their software on it.

    That's probably what killed WP; I suspect that the strategy changed when an important metric showed that they could never make as much money with WP than doing what they're doing now. It possibly explains why they've decided to move edge onto the chromium engine.
    Last edited by sd4f; 04-02-2019 at 05:24 AM.
    04-02-2019 03:02 AM
  13. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Give me a Microsoft Mobile phone running a forked version of Android, created by MS, and I'd be interested. That's the closest you may get to Microsoft ever releasing a phone. They definitely won't release a phone running Windows anytime soon.
    04-02-2019 08:42 AM
  14. Duncan2's Avatar
    In the mean time I am using Microsoft Launcher on my Droid phone

    I reallly like it that way !
    08-03-2019 06:23 AM
  15. Timbre70's Avatar
    If it really comes back, will you jump 🔙 ?
    08-04-2019 12:11 AM
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