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  1. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    On the first Surface Pro? really? maybe if your screen is set to very dim and you're just web browsing. But video editing and such things,.. 2 hours!
    Yes, but the OP is asking about the 2nd gen Surface (RT) not the first gen Surface Pro. You are correct that is was possible to drain the battery on the original Surface Pro in a couple of hours if you threw a constant intense workload at it, but that isn't the case with the Surface RT, Surface 2, or Surface Pro 2. The Surface 2 should go for several hours in a worse case scenario.
    05-13-2014 08:39 PM
  2. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Yes, but the OP is asking about the 2nd gen Surface (RT) not the first gen Surface Pro. You are correct that is was possible to drain the battery on the original Surface Pro in a couple of hours if you threw a constant intense workload at it, but that isn't the case with the Surface RT, Surface 2, or Surface Pro 2. The Surface 2 should go for several hours in a worse case scenario.
    There must be a communication error, because we are actually on the same page.
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    05-13-2014 08:42 PM
  3. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Well this shows that the life expectancy of the surface is ONLY 3 years. Don't like that at all. The ipads have been around for 4 years and are still going strong. Is there a use by date from apple? This alone will shift me towards the ipad. 3 years is definately short.
    That is very misleading in my opinion. First, MS committed to support Windows RT with operating system updates until *at least* April 2017. Second, that date is based on the Surface RT (original) which was released in 2012. So MS was committing to support it with updates for ~5 years at the time they made that announcement in 2012.

    While Apple may seem to support their old products well, I would argue that they don't in many ways compared to Microsoft's committment. For example, the iPad 2 was released about three years ago. Several months ago iOS7 was released and it is supported on the iPad 2, but the version of "iOS7" for the iPad 2 is limited compared to the versions that run on the iPad 3+. It's clever version naming, but any other tech company would call it "iOS 6.5" since it is missing functionality supported in iOS7. I mean it's the same version or it's not, right? So after only 2.5 years, Apple is limiting their update support for that device. Furthermore, iOS 8 is not expected to be supported for the iPad 2 so more than likely it has received it's last update. This is the case with the rest of the iPad and iPhone line as well. The iPad 1 was even worse. It only supports iOS 5 which was released only 18 months after the hardware. When you compare that track record to Microsoft's 5 year commitment to RT, the MS support is pretty impressive.

    To be honest though, it doesn't matter as much on a device like this. After a few years most of the software kinks have already been worked out anyway and the hardware is limited in what it can do compared to the latest software. These kind of devices are designed to "just work" and you can only expect so much from updates a few years down the road. The mobile devices of today are very much like the desktop/laptop computers of several years ago. The software on mobile devices is still maturing and it will outpace the current mobile hardware along the way.
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    05-13-2014 09:33 PM
  4. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    There must be a communication error, because we are actually on the same page.
    Probably, yes. I thought you were talking about battery time, but maybe you were talking about charging time.

    The person you were responding to didn't quote you so I lost track of who was saying what. I think he might have been talking about exkerZ's post anyway, because I don't see where you mentioned battery life at all.

    Anyway, I wasn't disagreeing with you so much as trying to clarify the product that is being discussed so the OP doesn't get the wrong idea.
    05-13-2014 09:44 PM
  5. geotos's Avatar
    Cleavitt76, Thanks for clearing those issues for me. Top info there in your 2 long posts!

    And as for the battery, I'm aware it can last around the 10 hour mark, and 6 or 7 surfing the web due to flash.

    Ok. It's going to be the Surface 2. I'll put the order in to my sis on Friday and will report back here when I receive it on around june 17/18 with 1st impressions.
    05-14-2014 01:25 AM
  6. SeeVuPlay's Avatar
    Am leaning towards it as I defo like it for what it does better than the ipad, but I'm a little afraid because it hasn't been out for very long. What am I afraid of? Well 2 years ago I bought a Blackberry Playbook. The battery died suddenly 2 years later and it's now useless. Apparently they have a fault with their charging system, a design fault which is showing up on playbooks all the time. Blackberry acknowledge the problem. I just hope these surfaces will last and will be supported by microsoft as blackberry have given up on their playbooks. Don't want the surface dead in a few years. I know the ipads are built like bricks and last but I'm a bit iffy on the surface 2. Are there any reports on bricked surfaces? Might still be early for this question.
    Hey i know that issue....and i know how to deal with it. The playbook was nice, but was very limited. For the charging issue, the battery got down so low that once you plug it in, the playbook goes through a startup cycle that requires more juice, and so everytime you plug it in, the startup drains it again and shuts down....then u have to unplug and plug up again....and then it stick in that cycle. But there was a trick to sort of give it little sips of enerjon until it could sustain the startup
    05-14-2014 03:27 PM
  7. christenmartin's Avatar
    On the first Surface Pro? really? maybe if your screen is set to very dim and you're just web browsing. But video editing and such things,.. 2 hours!
    man my bad I have a S2. I've read the pro does about 7 hrs
    05-14-2014 03:33 PM
  8. geotos's Avatar
    Hey i know that issue....and i know how to deal with it. The playbook was nice, but was very limited. For the charging issue, the battery got down so low that once you plug it in, the playbook goes through a startup cycle that requires more juice, and so everytime you plug it in, the startup drains it again and shuts down....then u have to unplug and plug up again....and then it stick in that cycle. But there was a trick to sort of give it little sips of enerjon until it could sustain the startup
    I went through all that. But like others, mine, when plugged in, would light up the red, then the charging symbol would show up, then after a while do the yellow light blink once only, then go to the boot up screen with the playbook logo and different colours for a few minutes then switch off. That's as far as it gets. Tried plugging it in and out over 100 times with all the different methods, but nothing. When others contacted bb with similar symptoms to mine, they were told the charging circuit is gone. I have found replacement batteries on a web site for 54 euros, but having seen some vids on youtube on how to replace it seems very delicate. And when they say the charging circuit is faulty, does this mean a new battery won't charge?
    05-14-2014 05:45 PM
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