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  1. sd4f's Avatar
    Win10: I like the start menu (I set it as fullscreen)
    Wow, I'm not the only one. I actually much prefer the start screen on all my devices, desktops too. Really happy that it's an option, and actually has a lot of nice inclusions such as the sidebar with is customisable.
    10-13-2018 03:56 AM
  2. Old_Mil's Avatar
    I wouldn't say that the Windows tablet mode experience is awful. I still use my Acer W4-820 as my daily driver tablet and will continue to do so until it fails.

    I did turn custom scaring on at 150% to make things larger than they are in default mode.

    The on screen keyboard is substantially better than android's stock keyboard and slightly better than the one Apple provides with iOS. It is nearly on par with the old Blackberry/Swidtkey onscreen keyboard which was the best one ever developed.
    10-13-2018 07:32 AM
  3. gnirkatto's Avatar

    The on screen keyboard is substantially better than android's stock keyboard and slightly better than the one Apple provides with iOS.
    I assume/hope that you refer to eg word recognition/autocorrect rather than general usability. Because that sucks big time:

    KB showing instantly when tapping input field: iOS yes, W10Tablet:not always. WTF.
    KB overlaying input fields: iOS never, W10 often. A nightmare. Try eg Telegram.
    KB disappearing when Text input finished: iOS always, W10 sometimes not. Could live with that, if it was the only bug (calling these things bugs intentionally).

    This whole W10 tablet experience is such a mess, compared to iOS, with the keyboard being responsible for that to a high degree.

    I’ve been trying hard to get used to my Surface Go over the last 3 weeks or so, as a replacement for my iPad, because I would need/want the bigger freedom that W10 offers, but it just drives me crazy, how clumsy the experience is, compared to the iPad. Even a (supposedly) better word recognition does not help imho.

    Admittedly, with a type cover attached, the Surface (Go) experience is much better. But as a tablet - oh my god.
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    10-13-2018 08:25 AM
  4. ochhanz's Avatar
    KB overlaying input fields: iOS never, W10 often. A nightmare. Try eg Telegram.
    , and did you notify Telegram about it? Cause that sounds like sites like Telegram are to lazy to fix their website for Windows touchscreen devices. I feel that while Microsoft definitely deserves some criticism, a big part of these faults also comes from developers, e.g. Steam to give an example that still has not added any touchscreen support to their app. I mean how difficult is that for a company that makes so much profit? And there has been a very long thread about it dating at least a year back, so they do know about it. Sames goes for Firefox, wonderful browser but selecting text is just so broken and has been for a while now.
    10-15-2018 03:13 PM
  5. gnirkatto's Avatar
    , and did you notify Telegram about it? Cause that sounds like sites like Telegram are to lazy to fix their website for Windows touchscreen devices. I feel that while Microsoft definitely deserves some criticism, a big part of these faults also comes from developers, e.g. Steam to give an example that still has not added any touchscreen support to their app. I mean how difficult is that for a company that makes so much profit? And there has been a very long thread about it dating at least a year back, so they do know about it. Sames goes for Firefox, wonderful browser but selecting text is just so broken and has been for a while now.
    Why would I notify Telegram about something that is clearly an opsys issue? Telegram works fine on all other supported platforms. On touchscreen devices, it is the responsibility of the operating system to push the active input field to a position above the onscreen keyboard, as soon as it appears.
    And, why does this problem occur so often on a W10 device, never under iOS? ALL apps being misdesigned on W10, ALL apps good on iOS? Nah.
    P.S. even during the Windows setup process, some (Microsoft-) input fields were overlaid by the on screen keyboard on my Go.
    10-15-2018 04:05 PM
  6. gnirkatto's Avatar
    P.P.S. re-reading your post, I found that you mentioned "websites".
    I did not speak about websites (although this also happens there). I spoke about apps and the W10 keyboard overlaying input fields. Telegram being one of them.
    10-15-2018 04:12 PM
  7. ochhanz's Avatar
    Why would I notify Telegram about something that is clearly an opsys issue? Telegram works fine on all other supported platforms. On touchscreen devices, it is the responsibility of the operating system to push the active input field to a position above the onscreen keyboard, as soon as it appears.
    And, why does this problem occur so often on a W10 device, never under iOS? ALL apps being misdesigned on W10, ALL apps good on iOS? Nah.
    P.S. even during the Windows setup process, some (Microsoft-) input fields were overlaid by the on screen keyboard on my Go.
    , fair enough, OSK is indeed wonky sometimes. I was a bit to hasty to lay the blame on telegram.
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    10-16-2018 07:35 AM
  8. stodge's Avatar
    My major grips about Windows 10 in tablet mode is the on-screen keyboard.

    a) It often never shows up when I enter an input field. Often forcing me to click back and forth (if there are multiple) fields trying to cox is out. Usually, I give up and press the keyboard icon on the task bar.

    b) Even when the keyboard comes up... it often hides the input field -- or fields around it. In Edge, I find myself closing the keyboard, zooming and panning, and then hoping I can open it in some way it won't obscure what I'm doing. Or detaching the keyboard and moving it elsewhere.

    c) The keyboard often don't go away. Meaning even after you type in something, you can't see the OK button anymore and there is no way (other than the icon) to get rid of it.

    d) Lots of apps (even UWP) force a ton of issues with the keyboard. Edge repeatedly zooms and unzooms as fields are selected, others has UI issues once the keyboard is taking up 1/3 of the screen -- such as scroll bars in large text fields not being visible and the scroll position jumping around. Many force you to switch to touch to get to other tabs, buttons, show submit error messages under the keyboard, etc.

    e) Non-UWP are often hopeless. Entering values in tablets, editable combo-boxes, edit areas near the bottom or right of the screen, etc.

    What is more troubling is that these existing in Windows 8 and were never fixed. I use my wife's iPad and I've never had an issue entering anything into any field.
    This!! This was the reason I didn't buy a Surface a year ago. I played with the Go today in the store and it was slightly improved but this still happened far too often.
    12-31-2018 04:38 PM
  9. darrell reimer's Avatar
    This!! This was the reason I didn't buy a Surface a year ago. I played with the Go today in the store and it was slightly improved but this still happened far too often.
    I'm tryin out a Surface Go. Even when switching to Tablet Mode, this machine is not built for use as a tablet. Actually, I shouldn't say the 'machine', it's the Windows 10 OS. Windows 8/8.1 was such an awesome tablet experience; totally built for touch. Not so for Windows 10. Here's a sad example
    I was holidaying 3 time zones away from home; I wanted to watch my local sports team's evening game, but it was blacked-out where I was staying, so I pulled out my S8+, used my Optik TV app, and found the game. (too bad we lost). I tried to do the same thing with my new Go, but NO! First: there is no App in the Windows Store (typical; not surprising), so I tried watching via a web brower (Chrome and Edge). This was a disaster. I couldn't scroll through the menu to actually get to the channel I wanted to watch. I spent a few minutes trying everything, and nothing worked; it was a total nightmare. I ended up just going back to my phone and watching it there...my new Go was a no go...for watching my sports...with no proper App in the Windows store, this was just another fail highlighting the fact that the 'App gap' between Windows and Android/iOS affects more than just phones. You don't get the same touch experience using web page versions of the real apps...
    01-07-2019 12:52 AM
  10. Timbre70's Avatar
    Welcome to Windows 😄
    01-07-2019 04:16 AM
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