08-14-2013 12:23 PM
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  1. drjekel_mrhyde's Avatar
    My list(All models with spec bumps on the current Surface RT)
    Surface RT: 64GB $299 with Touch cover,but without Office (Office can be brought for $39 in the store)
    Surface RT Pro: 128GB $399 with Stylus, Type cover and Office
    Surface RT Pro +/Enterprise: 256 GB $499 with Stylus, Type Cover, super high resolution screen, and Office
    08-08-2013 10:22 PM
  2. mase123987's Avatar
    My list(All models with spec bumps on the current Surface RT)
    Surface RT: 64GB $299 with Touch cover,but without Office
    Surface RT Pro: 64GB $399 with Stylus, Type cover and Office
    Surface RT Pro +/Enterprise: 256 GB $499 with Stylus, Type Cover, and Office
    No offense but those prices won't happen in a million years.
    08-08-2013 10:24 PM
  3. drjekel_mrhyde's Avatar
    They have no other choice, with Apple and Android so entrenched they have to do something, or bury it like Zune.
    08-08-2013 10:33 PM
  4. mase123987's Avatar
    They have no other choice, with Apple and Android so entrenched they have to do something, or bury it like Zune.
    So you want them to offer 4 times the SSD space as any tablet on any platform for the same or lower price? It is never going to happen. The Nexus 7 is considered to be sold at very close to cost. The 32gb version would be only $30 cheaper than what you price a 64gb RT (with a bigger screen and a keyboard). You can dream, but it won't happen. Microsoft has already shown they aren't going to play the "sell at cost" game Google and Amazon play.
    08-08-2013 10:41 PM
  5. spaulagain's Avatar
    They have no other choice, with Apple and Android so entrenched they have to do something, or bury it like Zune.
    Huh? By losing their ***? Surface Pro at $399 is beyond a loss, its a suicide knife. The Pro is a full blown PC packed into a tablet. Its specs are better than a MacBook Air which is already more expensive.

    Updated Surface RT with better chip will do fine at $399 with touch cover or $299 naked.

    MS just went from 0% tablet market share to 5% in less than a year. They'll make it happen without cutting their legs off in pricing.
    08-08-2013 11:03 PM
  6. drjekel_mrhyde's Avatar
    They did it with Xbox 360 for years(3) and still came out on top, so much so that it might not even been a PS4 even coming out.
    08-08-2013 11:08 PM
  7. mase123987's Avatar
    Huh? By losing their ***? Surface Pro at $399 is beyond a loss, its a suicide knife. The Pro is a full blown PC packed into a tablet. Its specs are better than a MacBook Air which is already more expensive.

    Updated Surface RT with better chip will do fine at $399 with touch cover or $299 naked.

    MS just went from 0% tablet market share to 5% in less than a year. They'll make it happen without cutting their legs off in pricing.
    You might want to read his original post again.
    08-08-2013 11:09 PM
  8. dkp23's Avatar
    First don't put out a laggy sluggish product out the box
    08-08-2013 11:13 PM
  9. mase123987's Avatar
    They did it with Xbox 360 for years(3) and still came out on top, so much so that it might not even been a PS4 even coming out.
    People buy tons of games priced between $30 and $60. No one is buying software that expensive on the RT that it could make up a loss.
    08-08-2013 11:25 PM
  10. spaulagain's Avatar
    You might want to read his original post again.
    So he calls it a Surface RT Pro?

    Combining RT and Pro into the same name when there is already a Pro device would confuse the hell out of everyone. Especially when the "Pro" part distinguishes a very important difference between the two.

    I'm glad the OP isn't in charge of MS's marketing department. Its bad enough as it is.
    08-08-2013 11:50 PM
  11. Razdek's Avatar
    Microsoft needs to solve the marketplace issue with apps before they try to promote the Surface RT 2. Having a machine dependant on that marketplace spells death if they don't get the major apps in there.
    08-08-2013 11:57 PM
  12. drjekel_mrhyde's Avatar
    Well Surface RT plus. Asus and Acer just pulled out of making more RT devices. Hell Acer even want to make less W8 device period.Android tabs started off iPad prices and failed till they started selling them cheaper.
    /I won't even mention the Blackberry playbook
    08-09-2013 06:45 AM
  13. infinidim's Avatar
    Microsoft needs to solve the marketplace issue with apps before they try to promote the Surface RT 2. Having a machine dependant on that marketplace spells death if they don't get the major apps in there.
    I do think that they need to get some of the other major apps in the store which they seem to be progressing slowly with.

    They also have to find the "killer app" as well, something that Android and IOS don't do well or even something new.

    I also think that they need to merge RT with Windows Phone operating system as well. By doing this they will get additional apps to the store and stop some of the confusion that is out there.
    08-09-2013 06:56 AM
  14. inteller's Avatar
    uh sorry no, neither Apple or Google is making laptop replacements that function as a tablet. Your Surface Pro prices are in fantasy land.
    08-09-2013 09:03 AM
  15. inteller's Avatar
    Well Surface RT plus. Asus and Acer just pulled out of making more RT devices. Hell Acer even want to make less W8 device period.Android tabs started off iPad prices and failed till they started selling them cheaper.
    /I won't even mention the Blackberry playbook
    Acer never made an RT device and Asus is just stupid. I'm actually glad all of them are pulling out of RT, I hope Dell and Lenovo do too. RT needs to be a Microsoft exclusive thing so they can control the platform tightly.
    08-09-2013 09:04 AM
  16. mase123987's Avatar
    Acer never made an RT device and Asus is just stupid. I'm actually glad all of them are pulling out of RT, I hope Dell and Lenovo do too. RT needs to be a Microsoft exclusive thing so they can control the platform tightly.
    Screw all OEMs! Microsoft should become like Apple!

    Really???
    08-09-2013 09:10 AM
  17. 4hab's Avatar
    They should make better tv spots. That dancing stuff was just too awkweird...

    But what they really have to do, is to reboot their product strategy with Windows RT. The concept of delivering a "totally normal Windows" for ARM, which cant handle usual applications ended up in a constant storm of hatred and whineyness ("MUH WINDOES"). They MUST! MUST MUST MUST differentiate it more from the normal x86 Windows. Otherwise the flood of dumbasses (who are perfectly fine with the barriers of Android and iOS) who cant differentiate between a computer and a tablet will never end.

    Screw all OEMs! Microsoft should become like Apple!

    Really???
    I would appreciate that. OEMs are making tons of scum and crap hardware. There are some nice tablets and nice notebooks too, but I dont know any devices that makes me loose my **** to get one. I'm hoping for Nokia according to a tablet. They dont need to screw all OEMs by cutting licensing Windows, but they definitely should enter the device market. Microsoft showed great product concepts with Surface, I bet they could also build a notebook that kicks *** of everything on the market.
    08-09-2013 10:03 AM
  18. mase123987's Avatar
    They should make better tv spots. That dancing stuff was just too awkweird...

    But what they really have to do, is to reboot their product strategy with Windows RT. The concept of delivering a "totally normal Windows" for ARM, which cant handle usual applications ended up in a constant storm of hatred and whineyness ("MUH WINDOES"). They MUST! MUST MUST MUST differentiate it more from the normal x86 Windows. Otherwise the flood of dumbasses (who are perfectly fine with the barriers of Android and iOS) who cant differentiate between a computer and a tablet will never end.



    I would appreciate that. OEMs are making tons of scum and crap hardware. There are some nice tablets and nice notebooks too, but I dont know any devices that makes me loose my **** to get one. I'm hoping for Nokia according to a tablet. They dont need to screw all OEMs by cutting licensing Windows, but they definitely should enter the device market. Microsoft showed great product concepts with Surface, I bet they could also build a notebook that kicks *** of everything on the market.

    ATT has already had their hands on a Nokia tablet. I don't know when we will see it though.
    08-09-2013 10:08 AM
  19. gsquared's Avatar
    Oh my. More armchair CEO's.

    Better to leave such things to the Pro's. Thats their job. Or sstated differntly; Its their *** on the line, not ours.
    08-09-2013 10:13 AM
  20. 4hab's Avatar
    ATT has already had their hands on a Nokia tablet. I don't know when we will see it though.
    I know its coming, the signs are unoverlookable. But since nobody has seen it yet, I really hope they will show a tablet that that will make the masses go crazy due design. When they showed the Lumia 800 for the first time, I felt an excitement that I never felt before when a mobile device was published. The iPhone 4 got close to that, but didnt unleash the DO WANT-feeling.

    The Lumia did. And I hope the Tablet will do so as well.
    08-09-2013 10:19 AM
  21. mase123987's Avatar
    I know its coming, the signs are unoverlookable. But since nobody has seen it yet, I really hope they will show a tablet that that will make the masses go crazy due design. When they showed the Lumia 800 for the first time, I felt an excitement that I never felt before when a mobile device was published. The iPhone 4 got close to that, but didnt unleash the DO WANT-feeling.

    The Lumia did. And I hope the Tablet will do so as well.
    I think you over did the prefixes and suffixes with "unoverlookable".
    08-09-2013 10:43 AM
  22. Onager1286's Avatar
    While I don't exactly know how low of a price is realistic, I do find it funny that people are justifying the not selling at a loss. I'd rather MS made money on the Surface, but honestly, they are so far behind in the phone and tablet game that they need to bite the bullet and get these things in people's hands. I recently got a 32gb RT with a touch cover. $620 is not the right price for a tablet that's coming up against the entrenched leader, the iPad. They're in a tough spot, no doubt, but they need to be really aggressive in convincing people that the Surface is worth their consideration. If they keep the price in this premium bracket, they'll continue to have difficulty and the press with continue in their quest to make Microsoft and the Surface look like a joke. If you look at the reviews for the new Nexus 7, everyone loves it. It's got great hardware and a no-brained cost. Microsoft needs do something fast, or else Surface will become another Zune.
    08-12-2013 09:32 AM
  23. Leahtt's Avatar
    Onager
    $620 is not the right price for a tablet that's coming up against the entrenched leader, the iPad.
    Agree, but the iPad has its drawbacks.
    My iPad 3 does not have directories, the Photos App which came with the iOS moved all the names on my photos and replaced them with meaningless numbers. My family history needs folders so that I can save jpegs, pdfs and other formats into particular folders but on the iPad all those files have to be saved under their Apps which fragments my family history.
    Surface RT has twice the RAM of the iPad 3, both have ARM.
    I have played on the Surface RT and am very interested in maybe purchasing it. Microsoft needs to advertise its plusses, make the price affordable in these hard times to get it going and not have people dancing around being stupid.
    08-12-2013 01:51 PM
  24. rebornempowered's Avatar
    I would improve the marketing of it as a time waster. Most people I know don't do anything on their iPads except mindless surfing & games while watching TV. If they need to do anything productive they break out the laptop or go to their desktop.
    08-13-2013 04:14 PM
  25. Leahtt's Avatar
    My iPad works: I write html and css longhand using a neat program called Textastic which also saves all my web sites and does ftp. I use Adobe Photoshop Touch and Photogene for preparing photos for the web.
    What I don't like about the iPad (mine' and iPad3) is that there are no directories and all files have to be saved under their respective apps. The Photo program which came with it removes the names of photos, replacing them with meaningless numbers. It is also slow when compared to my Mac Book Pro. I like the Surface RT, having had several plays on one. I'm intending to buy one but will wait (if I can) until the new 8.1 and updated Surfaces come out.
    08-13-2013 11:41 PM
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