09-30-2013 01:01 AM
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  1. Daylife's Avatar
    Nothing, it just feels like a big price jump just to get there. However looking at a 11" macbook air with the additional 4gb of ram, I see it's starting the same price as the Pro 2...

    Still it feels a bit of a premium in price for the Pro 2 considering you have to buy the most important component-- the keyboard.
    True, but i still think they are both even...I would still take the Surface Pro 2 over the MBA the Air might might have a little bit of a bigger screen but horrible resolution, plus the touch, pen feature.
    09-27-2013 01:30 PM
  2. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    True, but i still think they are both even...I would still take the Surface Pro 2 over the MBA the Air might might have a little bit of a bigger screen but horrible resolution, plus the touch, pen feature.
    Yeah I would take the Pro 2 also. I suppose it could be argued the additional cost goes towards the features you pointed out. :S
    09-27-2013 02:11 PM
  3. StuBeck's Avatar
    At $200, would you still get a SurfaceRT over the Surface 2? My other thought is to spend $300 or so and get a basic Win 8 tablet with an Atom proc. Thanks.
    09-27-2013 02:14 PM
  4. nuprotocol's Avatar
    At $200, would you still get a SurfaceRT over the Surface 2? My other thought is to spend $300 or so and get a basic Win 8 tablet with an Atom proc. Thanks.
    I just sold IMHO (in my humble opinion) the best atom tablet on ebay to get a Surface2. I had a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 which was an awesome atom tablet. However atom is unable to handle desktop apps. I only sold my SurfaceRT for the Lenovo b/c I knew atom could handle metro apps better. Surface2 has meshed the two. The two being that now I can have really really fast desktop apps and even faster metro apps.

    For me, the Surface2 is worth the extra money over the SurfaceRT since its performance in launching apps is very similar to the Pro2. I'm going to head back there today and run those benchmarks others suggested. However in real world testing of just launching desktop apps and metro apps, the Surface2 is very close to the Pro2.
    09-27-2013 02:43 PM
  5. StuBeck's Avatar
    For my use, it'd be mainly Internet browsing and netflix, nothing very difficult (otherwise I would get a Tablet 2 for its digitizer support). Does it make that big of a difference with the new one? It sounds like the original Surface is almost unusable based on some of the descriptions which are coming out.
    09-27-2013 03:00 PM
  6. nuprotocol's Avatar
    For my use, it'd be mainly Internet browsing and netflix, nothing very difficult (otherwise I would get a Tablet 2 for its digitizer support). Does it make that big of a difference with the new one? It sounds like the original Surface is almost unusable based on some of the descriptions which are coming out.
    Thanks for that info. For what you'll be using it for, the SurfaceRT will be fine. The digitzer was/is an excellent tool with the Tablet2. I really didn't need a mouse b/c of the digitzer. Choosing between the SurfaceRT and Surface2 really just comes down to how fast you believe your tablet should be. Even with browsing, I want the IE tabs to open up fast and close fast, but IE Metro lagged on the SurfaceRT.

    Even for nextflix, internet browsing and some word processing, I would rather pay for an Surface2 over an RT. I would look at the Surface2 as a future proofing purchase. I really liked the RT, but hated hated hated the performance issues. This seems to be resolved with the Surface2. I'm actually going to output the Surface2 to a monitor and use it as a mobile desktop/laptop. This could be done with the SurfaceRT, but the desktop performance was horrendous.

    I was one of those people that reserved and purchased the SurfaceRT on day one. I believe I spent almost $800, lol. I think that's the most I've ever spent on a non gaming device. lol I build beastly gaming desktops for myself and friends and the SurfaceRT total cost was close if not the price of a nice gaming rig.

    $499 SurfaceRT
    $129 Type Keyboard
    $100 Warranty (just in case, lol)
    ---------
    $788 was my total I believe after taxes.
    09-27-2013 03:22 PM
  7. Daylife's Avatar
    At $200, would you still get a SurfaceRT over the Surface 2? My other thought is to spend $300 or so and get a basic Win 8 tablet with an Atom proc. Thanks.
    Me personally, i would still get the Surface 2 :D the performance difference is just too much, and dat screen! :)
    09-27-2013 03:26 PM
  8. nuprotocol's Avatar
    Me personally, i would still get the Surface 2 :D the performance difference is just too much, and dat screen! :)
    True! Forgot about 1080p. The screen looks amazing....! So amazing I kept adjusting my contacts b/c I felt like the screen was tooooooooooo crystal crip/clear. lol The performance has to be seen too. If your near a MS store, the pro2 surface2 are side by side. Just test it yourself and launch the exact same app on both at the same time. You will be blown away at how fast the Surface2 keeps up with Pro2. The SurfaceRT will just be there, spinning, processing, waiting, thinking. lol
    09-27-2013 03:34 PM
  9. StuBeck's Avatar
    Thanks for the advice :) Unfortunately we won't have a MS store until November...and even then its 70 miles away. I think I'll look at one this weekend and see how the performance is. I'm comparing this to a modified HP Touchpad with Jelly Bean, so I'm expecting it to be faster!
    09-27-2013 03:45 PM
  10. Christian Kallevig's Avatar
    It definitely ought to be, It's just a more powerful machine, and Metro has always been smooth for the most part.
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    09-27-2013 03:53 PM
  11. LMZR's Avatar
    Has anybody managed to try the new Type Cover?

    I was rather disappointed with the original and i want to know if it's worth getting the Type Cover 2.
    09-27-2013 09:00 PM
  12. nuprotocol's Avatar
    Surface 2 benchmarkssurface2.png
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    09-27-2013 10:09 PM
  13. nuprotocol's Avatar
    Pro2 Benchmarks pro2.png
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    09-27-2013 10:09 PM
  14. nuprotocol's Avatar
    Comparing the RT to the Surface2. The cpu benchmarking has doubled and I'm not sure what Microsoft did with the ram, but the Surface2 owns the SurfaceRT in ram benchmarking. lol


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    Surface RT Benchmarks thx (azcruz)
    09-27-2013 10:13 PM
  15. nuprotocol's Avatar
    There is an app I use called PC Benchmark, that I use to keep track of performance improvement from Surface RT 8.0 -> 8.1 Preview -> 8.1 RTM.

    This is the recent benchmark of my RT running 8.1 RTM. If anyone can install this app, run the benchmark and take a photo, will be highly appreciated.

    Attachment 44215
    thanks for the tip. the MS reps were surprised about this app. most of them thought it came with Surface and they just didn't know about it. lol
    09-27-2013 10:14 PM
  16. Daylife's Avatar
    From RT to Surface 2 the performance gap is huge.
    09-27-2013 10:19 PM
  17. Christian Kallevig's Avatar
    Well, that really illustrates how far behind the power of Haswell ARM processors are. But wow, it also clearly shows that Surface 2 is by far the superior device when compared to the RT. This is wonderful news as performance was by far the biggest weak point of the original. The RAM improvement is especially wonderful and should do a lot to improve things like web browsing.
    09-27-2013 10:19 PM
  18. nuprotocol's Avatar
    Yes I'm really happy about the ram improvement as well. Each time I go up there I just want to take the Surface2 home. lol It was nice to run these benchmarks to see in numbers how much power the Surface2 has over the SurfaceRT. I again tested launching apps on the Pro2 and Surface2 at the same time and the Surface2 Is maybe a sec or less behind the Pro2.

    The Surface2 begs to be outputted to a external monitor. Regular desktop performance is excellent. Opened Outlook, IE, Word and tried to open as many IE tabs as possible in desktop mode with zero slowdown.
    09-27-2013 10:26 PM
  19. azcruz's Avatar
    thanks for the tip. the MS reps were surprised about this app. most of them thought it came with Surface and they just didn't know about it. lol
    EDIT: Damn I wasn't looking... Thanks for the screenshots!

    Here's the updated spreadsheet.

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    Last edited by azcruz; 09-27-2013 at 10:46 PM.
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    09-27-2013 10:32 PM
  20. Christian Kallevig's Avatar
    And big webpages that require a lot of scrolling load in smoothly? On my RT webpages that were particularly long really hung up a lot and occasionally locked the browser up completely.
    09-27-2013 10:35 PM
  21. Daylife's Avatar
    And big webpages that require a lot of scrolling load in smoothly? On my RT webpages that were particularly long really hung up a lot and occasionally locked the browser up completely.
    Surface 2 eats through webpages like nothing.
    09-27-2013 10:41 PM
  22. nuprotocol's Avatar
    EDIT: Damn I wasn't looking... Thanks for the screenshots!

    I compiled the figures of the devices I tested, here they are.


    pc-benchmarks.png
    Could you add the Pro2 and Surface2 to your excel doc and repost?
    09-27-2013 10:43 PM
  23. Christian Kallevig's Avatar
    Surface 2 eats through webpages like nothing.
    Awesome, that automatically makes it a far better device than the RT
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    09-27-2013 10:44 PM
  24. azcruz's Avatar
    Comparing the RT to the Surface2. The cpu benchmarking has doubled and I'm not sure what Microsoft did with the ram, but the Surface2 owns the SurfaceRT in ram benchmarking. lol
    •2x bus speed for memory and WiFi
    09-27-2013 10:53 PM
  25. azcruz's Avatar
    Could you add the Pro2 and Surface2 to your excel doc and repost?
    It should be there, I updated it. But I left the Surface Pro figures at the office :P BTW, my Acer S3 has an upgraded SSD from Crucial/Micron M400.
    09-27-2013 10:55 PM
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