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  1. SwimSwim's Avatar
    I believe you also can download Prime videos for offline viewing now.
    Only on the new Kindle Fire models, I'm afraid.
    09-25-2013 08:44 PM
  2. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Amazon is competing with Google and Apple for sales of media consumption devices. Unless some new marketing was released this afternoon, they still stress that in every way possible. I also don't get why people have to insist X or Y is stealing the other's thunder since 1) they are not even competing for the same market and 2) it is the time of year that everyone announces the products they intend to push for the holiday season. Was Microsoft stealing Apple's thunder by announcing the Surface products the week after IOS 7? Same goes for the impending new Nokia products. Quite frankly, the only company that comes off like they are in a perpetual amateur hour is Blackberry, screwing up the BBM release and announcing the Z30 with no fanfare in Indonesia. I expect every major player to be announcing all of their anchor products in the next few weeks. When should they otherwise announce them - February?
    Very good point. This is, after all, when all the major players are getting their inventory ready for market in time for the holiday season.
    09-25-2013 08:47 PM
  3. cj-m's Avatar
    How about Amazon Cloud Music Player? Will that work on Surface?
    I know that it works on my Latitude 10.

    You need to download an app from Amazon.com which then lets you download/sync your music to your tablet. This music is then accessible from any of your music players - xbox, WMP, Nokia, etc

    It works pretty well.
    09-25-2013 10:58 PM
  4. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Watch this video.

    Wow, I've honestly not heard of that feature before, except via Xbox Smartglass. Now I'm more looking forward to my Surface Pro 2, and I guess I now need to add an Xbox One to my shopping list...
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    09-25-2013 11:37 PM
  5. Pete's Avatar
    The Fire isn't heating me with anticipation.

    I'm waiting on my next-gen Paperwhite Kindle. I have the first generation one, it's great having a reader that's got the perfect reading screen and a battery life that lasts for weeks (if not months).
    09-26-2013 04:10 AM
  6. thecaringkind's Avatar
    Two different tablet spaces! The Fire tabs are 100% for consumption if media, its what Amazon does. It resells and repackages content.

    The Surface is much more well rounded and can very much be used as a tool/netbook/notebook hybrid for productivity. Hence Office being built in.

    If MS wants to make inroads into the consumption space they MUST catch up app-wise.
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    09-26-2013 05:31 AM
  7. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Two different tablet spaces! The Fire tabs are 100% for consumption if media, its what Amazon does. It resells and repackages content.

    The Surface is much more well rounded and can very much be used as a tool/netbook/notebook hybrid for productivity. Hence Office being built in.

    If MS wants to make inroads into the consumption space they MUST catch up app-wise.
    The problem is, while we tech enthusiasts are well aware the Surface is a far more powerful and capable device, obstacles therein lie in getting consumers to acknowledge that. To them, a tablet is a tablet, so they're hunting for the best deal. And for those willing to go high end, they're typically dead set on Apple.

    That doesn't mean this won't change, but for now, we've got a long way to go on an uphill slope. The apps issue is perhaps the biggest hurdle. It's improving, but again, still got a long ways to go.
    09-26-2013 05:44 AM
  8. ag1986's Avatar
    Two different tablet spaces! The Fire tabs are 100% for consumption if media, its what Amazon does. It resells and repackages content.

    The Surface is much more well rounded and can very much be used as a tool/netbook/notebook hybrid for productivity. Hence Office being built in.

    If MS wants to make inroads into the consumption space they MUST catch up app-wise.
    You're missing the point; nobody wants a tablet to do work. Most people come to work at 9, leave at 5, and they do not want or need a tablet to work on after this. And work is done on company-provided hardware. I agree that the Surface is a much more capable device than any others in the class, but is that necessary?
    09-26-2013 07:39 AM
  9. snowmutt's Avatar
    You're missing the point; nobody wants a tablet to do work. Most people come to work at 9, leave at 5, and they do not want or need a tablet to work on after this. And work is done on company-provided hardware. I agree that the Surface is a much more capable device than any others in the class, but is that necessary?
    Actually, yes.

    Mobile is the becoming new work space, just like it already has become the new media space. Yes, the Kindle is for "fun", and right now MS has nothing to answer to that. But what almost everyone on our threads miss becouse this is "mobile centric" site is that about 90% of MS's billions is still enterprise. XBOX, WP, streaming media, that is just a drop in the bucket. MS needs to be ahead of the curve in work-ready mobile. As the PC losses steam and laptops are being replaced, MS needs a variety of tablets at different price points for the bread and butter of their empire.

    Amazon, Google, and Apple have the fun market, MS is still trying to find their footing there. But they are still way ahead in business. Surface products and mobile Windows on other OEM products will keep them there.
    09-26-2013 09:40 AM
  10. Only Mama Knows's Avatar
    Unless something has changed, that ability is extremely limited. I have also found the Amazon Unbox app for
    Windows 8 to be barely functional. Throw in the fact that it only works for purchased videos, not rentals, and that makes it even less useful.
    This is something new that will be exclusive to Kindle Fire hardware.
    09-26-2013 10:38 AM
  11. Only Mama Knows's Avatar
    You're missing the point; nobody wants a tablet to do work. Most people come to work at 9, leave at 5, and they do not want or need a tablet to work on after this. And work is done on company-provided hardware. I agree that the Surface is a much more capable device than any others in the class, but is that necessary?
    I completely agree with this. Microsoft and their fans want this not to be true, but it is. If you're looking for a productivity tablet, then yes you'll look at a Surface (although you're probably more likely to go up to the Surface Pro; however, most consumers do not need productivity from their tablet. They want to surf the internet, watch movies, and play games. The Kindle Fire offers this option at a much cheaper price. The knock on previous models was that they were simply slow and laggy. With modern specs, this may no longer be valid, although we'll have to wait on reviews.

    My ultimate point was that the Surface was talked about for one afternoon. Yesterday and today all tablet news is talking about the Fire and Amazon in general.
    09-26-2013 10:42 AM
  12. cckgz4's Avatar
    Laura, I see what you did there ;)
    09-26-2013 12:00 PM
  13. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    As has been mentioned, these are two separate markets.
    09-26-2013 12:40 PM
  14. coolqf's Avatar
    Watch this video.

    SurfaceRT + xbox = music through tv or sound system.

    This is done already through Apple and Android.
    With apple, through AppleTV, with Android through Miracast. It's a standard feature that now comes with all apple devices and mid range to high end android devices.
    09-26-2013 01:44 PM
  15. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    SurfaceRT + xbox = music through tv or sound system.

    This is done already through Apple and Android.
    With apple, through AppleTV, with Android through Miracast. It's a standard feature that now comes with all apple devices and mid range to high end android devices.
    While it is true that Apple and Android have similar features, this is a capability of the Surface RT that Microsoft has not made widely known. THAT is why the video is of interest.

    On a side note, I'm greatly disappointed with how poorly Apple TV streams media from other Apple devices. It is so haphazard and unreliable I shifted over to using Plex and Roku 3 to interact with my iOS and OSX devices.
    09-26-2013 02:15 PM
  16. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    You're missing the point; nobody wants a tablet to do work. Most people come to work at 9, leave at 5, and they do not want or need a tablet to work on after this. And work is done on company-provided hardware. I agree that the Surface is a much more capable device than any others in the class, but is that necessary?
    Speak for yourself buddy. I want a tablet for work and consumption.
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    09-26-2013 02:16 PM
  17. stmav's Avatar
    Nobody thought about working on a tablet because they couldn't. And still can't on most. If they wanted to work they had to have a laptop/desktop as well. Now you can do it all on a tablet. So why wouldn't you want just one device for everything instead of one for work and one for play. There's no reason not to. If you could do work on an ipad or droid, don't you think they would be touting that for all it's worth? Not to mention all the little sheep would be claiming it's the best innovation yet, another bold step. When again, it's been around already.

    Also, the only place I've heard anything on the new kindle stuff is this thread. I had to bing it to get the price for the new one. Where's the great flooding of information on this?
    09-26-2013 03:09 PM
  18. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Nobody thought about working on a tablet because they couldn't. And still can't on most. If they wanted to work they had to have a laptop/desktop as well. Now you can do it all on a tablet. So why wouldn't you want just one device for everything instead of one for work and one for play. There's no reason not to. If you could do work on an ipad or droid, don't you think they would be touting that for all it's worth? Not to mention all the little sheep would be claiming it's the best innovation yet, another bold step. When again, it's been around already.
    I agree, I personally want a replacement device. That I can use for work and play.. I use AutoCAD, Reason, FruityLoops & occasionally PhotoShop and I need x86 architecture, so I would go for a Pro or full Win8 hybrid machine (HP Split X2, or maybe that new Toshiba Satellite Click with a 500gb drive in the tablet side). However, I'm also considering the Surface RT or even the Surface 2, as I would be able to remote desktop to my PC, which I hardly ever use anymore except for file conversion, and the above mentioned type stuff. My HTC 8X takes care of the greater majority of my computing needs..
    09-26-2013 03:30 PM
  19. cckgz4's Avatar
    Taken from another topic that I posted in:

    People seem to confuse that with their own personal preferences, so a bias is sure to be apparent. iOS and Android (tablet or phone) doesn't work for me, but I don't think they are "weaker" OS. I see their tablets to be an absolute waste of money if I own their phone, so for me it's like owning a bigger version of the mobile piece. And as far as the phones go, that's a personal preference. Windows Phone fits my needs better in the mobile space, and their tablets go BEYOND being just an extension of their mobile space. It works as an actual computer, which is something I've waited for a company to do. Yeah it might be fun to play games on a big screen but if I'm going to shell out 400 for something, it needs to replace a device in my house, not add to the clutter.
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    09-26-2013 04:04 PM
  20. chezm's Avatar
    Im with the group of people that does not want to carry multiple devices around. I will be getting a Pro 2 as i want my device to do EVERYTHING, and i understand Surface 2/RT is geared towards productivity and play...while iPad or these cheap Android tablets are strictly for fun (dont knock me, ive got a Nexus 7...its a toy). My fear is by the time people catch on with the advantages MS's tab has over the others, the other guys will be in the process of meeting face to face at the same stage.

    MS isnt considered cool anymore, thats the general impression all of my mainstream friends brag on with their Apple and Android devices. MS needs to become COOL again...i have no clue how they'll do it. As much as im sticking with the MS ecosystem, i dont forsee it going well within the next 12 months unless they can impress the general consumer.
    09-26-2013 04:08 PM
  21. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Taken from another topic that I posted in:

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    Completely agree
    09-26-2013 05:10 PM
  22. Daylife's Avatar
    SurfaceRT + xbox = music through tv or sound system.

    This is done already through Apple and Android.
    With apple, through AppleTV, with Android through Miracast. It's a standard feature that now comes with all apple devices and mid range to high end android devices.
    This made me lol.
    09-26-2013 05:10 PM
  23. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Im with the group of people that does not want to carry multiple devices around. I will be getting a Pro 2 as i want my device to do EVERYTHING, and i understand Surface 2/RT is geared towards productivity and play...while iPad or these cheap Android tablets are strictly for fun (dont knock me, ive got a Nexus 7...its a toy). My fear is by the time people catch on with the advantages MS's tab has over the others, the other guys will be in the process of meeting face to face at the same stage.

    MS isnt considered cool anymore, thats the general impression all of my mainstream friends brag on with their Apple and Android devices. MS needs to become COOL again...i have no clue how they'll do it. As much as im sticking with the MS ecosystem, i dont forsee it going well within the next 12 months unless they can impress the general consumer.
    I'm feeling you on this. I'm old enough to remember the Apple as in the 80's with the dude throwing his hammer(?) into the screen. The Verizon 'Droid' commercials were cool. MS & Windows, in general, have gotten the 'reputation' that its products are for work and not play. Back in the day, no one used a PC to make and/or play music (think techno DJs), it was all on MAC. Heck, even iCarly(Nickelodeon TV show) used a laptop that a 'pear' instead of an 'apple' (iFruit still). Nowadays, since the Vista disaster, MS has gotten all of the stuff that the competitor(s) have (and more), and run it smooth and secure.

    Image is HUGE!! 'COOL factor', even more so!! It just works, is a bonus compared to these other two. "People" are fickle, media driven, automatons who generally believe what they're told (iPhone 5S is innovative), have long memories (Vista, WM (which I liked) and that "Blue Screen of Death), and are extremely close minded to straying away from the status quo (keeping up with the Joneses, although the alternative(s) may be better.

    I completely agree that MS needs to change its image. When asked the question "Is this for business or pleasure?". The answer should simply be "Yes"..
    My opinions
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    09-26-2013 05:32 PM
  24. Christian Kallevig's Avatar
    Changing their image is going to be hard. They had better choose a CEO who is capable of turning them around in the public eye

    We'll see how they market Surface 2. Evidently they've made a lot of progress with public perception of Windows Phone thanks to some great marketing, so it can be done. It will take time for anything to bare fruits though.
    09-26-2013 06:12 PM
  25. neo158's Avatar
    You're missing the point; nobody wants a tablet to do work. Most people come to work at 9, leave at 5, and they do not want or need a tablet to work on after this. And work is done on company-provided hardware. I agree that the Surface is a much more capable device than any others in the class, but is that necessary?
    I think you're the one missing the point. Most people I've seen on the train and around London have an iPad rather than a laptop for work purposes and most workplaces have a Bring Your Own Device or BYOD policy so, no, most work isn't done on company provided hardware. Not only that but most people actually do work on the train on the way home from work as well, on guess what, tablets!!
    09-26-2013 07:56 PM
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