10-08-2013 08:16 PM
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  1. ajj3085's Avatar
    Does Surface 2 have an Amazon Prime app?

    I could see a lot of people who subscribe to Amazon Prime wanting a device where they can stream their Amazon Prime content.
    You can only watch prime video on kindles, not across all andoid devices is ios. So I don't really see not having prime as a big deal, and its not enough for me to buy a kindle.
    09-26-2013 08:39 PM
  2. laserboy's Avatar
    The problem is, while we tech enthusiasts are well aware the Surface is a far more powerful and capable device, obstacles therein lie in getting consumers to acknowledge that. To them, a tablet is a tablet, so they're hunting for the best deal. And for those willing to go high end, they're typically dead set on Apple.

    That doesn't mean this won't change, but for now, we've got a long way to go on an uphill slope. The apps issue is perhaps the biggest hurdle. It's improving, but again, still got a long ways to go.
    Ever see a school kid try to do homework on an iPad? Horrible. If Microsoft wants to get into consumers, they need to market heavily in education. Give the things to k-12 and universities. If students use these, of teachers use them, families will buy.
    09-26-2013 09:15 PM
  3. realwarder's Avatar
    Ever see a school kid try to do homework on an iPad? Horrible. If Microsoft wants to get into consumers, they need to market heavily in education. Give the things to k-12 and universities. If students use these, of teachers use them, families will buy.
    I so agree. Surface RT/2 is made for students. Free Office with laptop experience AND full tablet experience in a robust design.
    09-26-2013 10:28 PM
  4. Christian Kallevig's Avatar
    Yeah, I had my younger brother take my RT to school along with his school-issued iPad as an experiment. He said it was way nicer to use for schoolwork and, surprisingly, that the battery outlasted his old iPad as well.
    09-26-2013 10:33 PM
  5. spaulagain's Avatar
    Yeah, I had my younger brother take my RT to school along with his school-issued iPad as an experiment. He said it was way nicer to use for schoolwork and, surprisingly, that the battery outlasted his old iPad as well.
    The battery on the RT is amazing. I can't believe how long it lasts sometimes.
    09-26-2013 10:57 PM
  6. thecaringkind's Avatar
    If MS wants to perfect a tablet for production and consumption it must offer a more polished ecosystem. Imagine the Surface hardware coupled with an Apple-like ecosystem of quality apps. Just think about that for a second.

    The possibilities would be staggering.

    Will MS ever get Surface to that level? Who knows. Untill then you can tweak the hardware all you want, without the back end support of premium content any RT based device will not sell nearly enough to make a true impact on the tablet space.
    09-28-2013 08:51 AM
  7. Christian Kallevig's Avatar
    Of course the app ecosystem is key and Microsoft does have some work to do there- but it's not all Microsoft's fault and it's not a problem they can fix on their own either. It's going to take time and people who are willing to be early adopter to push the platform forward. The eventual merging with the Windows Phone app store will help, but it's not a solution.

    Microsoft does need to do work to court developers, which to their credit they are doing. But ultimately if we want this platform to succeed we have to use it and get others to do the same. That's ultimately the most important factor in getting developers on board.
    09-28-2013 08:59 AM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    It's going to take time and people who are willing to be early adopter to push the platform forward.
    That's the problem right there. Call me selfish, but I'm not willing to be an early adopter. For some of you, the pros outweigh the cons. For me they don't. I know this thread is about RT, but the same principle applies to WP. I tried it, but found it too limiting mostly due to the (lack of) apps. You are absolutely correct that we need early adopters, but how many people are willing to live with the limitations in the meantime, when other more mature systems are available?
    09-28-2013 09:37 AM
  9. stmav's Avatar
    Because there are things in the other systems that are unacceptable and limiting to me, excluding them from ever being a choice. So I am willing to be an early adopter and tolerate the growing pains at this time. When you look at the big picture and where it is heading and can go, it makes it easier. And I really haven't been limited by my Surface or WP yet in my personal use. If I was interested in other phones/tablets or wanted to hear about them, I would be on their forums.
    09-28-2013 09:51 AM
  10. chinesepiratefood's Avatar
    I don't think it stole anybody's thunder. It was announced so the tech sites cover it. There was more coverage over the surface, a lot more. Don't get your panties in a bunch.
    09-28-2013 09:58 AM
  11. Jaskys's Avatar
    What? Didn't even heard about Amazon anouncment.
    09-28-2013 10:08 AM
  12. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    ...but how many people are willing to live with the limitations in the meantime, when other more mature systems are available?
    You can count me as one.
    09-28-2013 01:47 PM
  13. Daylife's Avatar
    If MS wants to perfect a tablet for production and consumption it must offer a more polished ecosystem. Imagine the Surface hardware coupled with an Apple-like ecosystem of quality apps. Just think about that for a second.

    The possibilities would be staggering.

    Will MS ever get Surface to that level? Who knows. Untill then you can tweak the hardware all you want, without the back end support of premium content any RT based device will not sell nearly enough to make a true impact on the tablet space.
    Its takes time, the App store has only been out for a year and it has over 100k in apps, also Microsoft will merge WP8 and W8 store into one, so it will most definitely make it more Apple like.
    09-28-2013 03:23 PM
  14. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Its takes time, the App store has only been out for a year and it has over 100k in apps, also Microsoft will merge WP8 and W8 store into one, so it will most definitely make it more Apple like.
    Merging app stores only benefits Microsoft in reduced overhead and branding. It does little if anything for customers. When people refer to an "Apple-like" store experience, they aren't referring to converged stores. It is the depth and breadth of the software offerings.

    Microsoft needs to intelligently give money to key developers to produce those key apps for Win 8 RT. I stress "intelligently" because in the past they've just thrown money at developers with no expectations of the final product. MS should look at the top 20 apps in the iOS appstore and determine which of those would give the Win8 appstore a boost and then contract those developers to create world-class Win8 versions.
    09-28-2013 03:37 PM
  15. Daylife's Avatar
    Merging app stores only benefits Microsoft in reduced overhead and branding. It does little if anything for customers. When people refer to an "Apple-like" store experience, they aren't referring to converged stores. It is the depth and breadth of the software offerings.

    Microsoft needs to intelligently give money to key developers to produce those key apps for Win 8 RT. I stress "intelligently" because in the past they've just thrown money at developers with no expectations of the final product. MS should look at the top 20 apps in the iOS appstore and determine which of those would give the Win8 appstore a boost and then contract those developers to create world-class Win8 versions.

    Microsoft can throw as much money to the top developers and it wont do anything, they wont develop unless the audience is there. Merging WP8 with W8 store will be huge considering the amount of awesome WP8 apps has that will go to W8.
    09-28-2013 03:44 PM
  16. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Microsoft can throw as much money to the top developers and it wont do anything, they wont develop unless the audience is there. Merging WP8 with W8 store will be huge considering the amount of awesome WP8 apps has that will go to W8.
    You're missing the point. Developers will only develop if there are people willing to pay. The developer doesn't care who pays them. Initially, there isn't enough of a customer base to support the cost of development let alone turn a profit. That is why Microsoft throwing money at developers is important. MS pays for (or greatly subsidizes) the development/porting of their apps to Win8 RT. The developer will get paid for the effort. They have nothing to lose. MS is the one taking a gamble.

    Microsoft has done it before with their mobile platforms as well as their gaming platforms. They've even gone as far as paying a premium to developers to keep their apps exclusive to MS' OS / game system.

    Merging W8 and WP8 stores will only result in having "awesome WP8" apps magnified on the RT screen... adding fuel to the "quantity over quality" complaint. The developers of those "awesome WP8" apps aren't going to invest the time/money to optimize their apps for the RT screen because the audience isn't there.
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    09-28-2013 04:00 PM
  17. inteller's Avatar
    how myopic. combining stores will kill the biggest problems, double buying apps.

    Windows 8 has sold 100 million licenses....any developer who shrugs that off is a fool. The last solid numbers I have for Kindles sold was 22 million....that was a year ago so let's double that for arguments sake.
    09-28-2013 04:28 PM
  18. jlynnm350z's Avatar
    Why would i be kidding? How long have other OS's had the "you don't have that app" excuse as a reason not to buy an MS product. For me as a gamer halo is "that app"

    Well said my friend. My response as well.
    09-28-2013 04:36 PM
  19. spaulagain's Avatar
    Merging app stores only benefits Microsoft in reduced overhead and branding. It does little if anything for customers. When people refer to an "Apple-like" store experience, they aren't referring to converged stores. It is the depth and breadth of the software offerings.

    Microsoft needs to intelligently give money to key developers to produce those key apps for Win 8 RT. I stress "intelligently" because in the past they've just thrown money at developers with no expectations of the final product. MS should look at the top 20 apps in the iOS appstore and determine which of those would give the Win8 appstore a boost and then contract those developers to create world-class Win8 versions.
    Huh? You don't think there is a benefit to customers with a clean unified store? Ummm, ok.
    09-28-2013 05:31 PM
  20. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Huh? You don't think there is a benefit to customers with a clean unified store? Ummm, ok.
    Only customers who own a Windows Phone 8 device *AND* Windows 8 RT device will benefit. How many people fall into THAT category?

    I only own a Win RT device. How do I benefit from a merging of those two stores?
    09-28-2013 06:25 PM
  21. ag1986's Avatar
    how myopic. combining stores will kill the biggest problems, double buying apps.

    Windows 8 has sold 100 million licenses....any developer who shrugs that off is a fool. The last solid numbers I have for Kindles sold was 22 million....that was a year ago so let's double that for arguments sake.
    Perhaps I'm missing something here. Do you mean that there will be a store where one can buy one app, and have that automagically run on

    1. Win8 tablets, desktops and laptops
    2. WinRT devices
    3. WP8 phones

    How would such a magical feat be achievable?
    09-28-2013 06:52 PM
  22. inteller's Avatar
    the same way you buy one app now that will run on WP7 and WP8. See this guy or gal called a "developer" sets architecture targets for all versions of the app. Then, when you go buy it in the Store, the Store determines what architecture you are on and pulls the appropriate XAP from the app repository and installs it.
    09-28-2013 09:52 PM
  23. spaulagain's Avatar
    Perhaps I'm missing something here. Do you mean that there will be a store where one can buy one app, and have that automagically run on

    1. Win8 tablets, desktops and laptops
    2. WinRT devices
    3. WP8 phones

    How would such a magical feat be achievable?
    It's not magic. It's actually pretty "easy." Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 have become much closer and apps can share much of the same code base. In fact, I think the APIs for each are the biggest difference that developers have to accommodate for. If they update the APIs to be the same, it will help a lot. It's then just a matter of the developers adjusting the UI for different screen sizes.

    Apple already allows developers to use the same app for both iPhone and iPad. Our companies app is just one app and it automatically detects which version to install based on the device.

    Microsoft is only a few steps away from a platform that you can literally code once and install on all devices. Really, web applications that use Responsive Design are essentially the same thing. They use the same code for the backend and even much of the front end. The responsive websites I've coded only needed about 10-15% more front end code (HTML/CSS) to make them responsive (optimized) to all devices.

    Microsoft will have an amazing development environment...

    1. One set of code that works on phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, and xbox/tv.

    2. Many code development options for enterprise .net developers and web HTML/CSS developers alike.
    09-28-2013 09:57 PM
  24. Daylife's Avatar
    Only customers who own a Windows Phone 8 device *AND* Windows 8 RT device will benefit. How many people fall into THAT category?

    I only own a Win RT device. How do I benefit from a merging of those two stores?
    Its a huge benefit for you, there are a ton of apps that WP8 has that W8 doesnt....so thats more apps for you.
    09-28-2013 10:03 PM
  25. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Its a huge benefit for you, there are a ton of apps that WP8 has that W8 doesnt....so thats more apps for you.
    Ok, but you didn't address my point about a bunch of phone apps that will not be optimized for the larger Surface screen. How is THAT a good thing?
    09-28-2013 11:01 PM
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