10-14-2013 12:09 PM
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  1. gwinegarden's Avatar
    I am taking a serious look at the new Surface 2. While researching, I decided to see what cases and covers are available. To me, most of the non-zip versions are a bit of overkill as they cover up the existing kickstand and then provide their own version.

    I started thinking. I wonder why someone does not come up with a cover that clips into the Surface as the keyboards do. More or less a non-typing version of the type cover. Would be ideal, for my purposes.
    10-08-2013 03:51 PM
  2. DBDev's Avatar
    I was actually looking for that too before I got my Touchcover, but now I love it that much, so I suggest you to buy that if you get a Surface 2
    10-08-2013 03:55 PM
  3. TripsG's Avatar
    I have a type cover on my Surface Pro and have absolutely no issues with it nor do I feel I need any additional protections. I've said in another post, I toss this thing around all the time and it doesn't have a mark on it.

    One of the single best products I've ever purchased.

    I hope that helps or at least I hope you find what you're looking for...but you'll love the Surface regardless.
    10-08-2013 03:56 PM
  4. gwinegarden's Avatar
    My issue is that I do not need nor want a keyboard. But, I like the idea of how the keyboard covers look and protect the screen, so, I just wonder why someone does not come out with a cover that is the same, but with no keys or electronics.
    10-08-2013 08:44 PM
  5. SwimSwim's Avatar
    My issue is that I do not need nor want a keyboard. But, I like the idea of how the keyboard covers look and protect the screen, so, I just wonder why someone does not come out with a cover that is the same, but with no keys or electronics.
    I don't see why you wouldn't want a Touch or Type Cover, they're half the reason the Surface is the... Well, Surface! There's a good reason every Surface commercial and ad shows one of those things, they've amazing!

    But anyways, no such product exists, to my knowledge. Maybe you'll want to somehow submit that idea though, as part of the new Blades concept? :)
    10-08-2013 09:24 PM
  6. gwinegarden's Avatar
    I don't see why you wouldn't want a Touch or Type Cover, they're half the reason the Surface is the... Well, Surface! There's a good reason every Surface commercial and ad shows one of those things, they've amazing!:)
    I appreciate their worth but just have no need for one, at least, right now. I bought a bluetooth keyboard for my Playbook and have used it, exactly once.
    10-09-2013 08:56 AM
  7. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    My issue is that I do not need nor want a keyboard. But, I like the idea of how the keyboard covers look and protect the screen, so, I just wonder why someone does not come out with a cover that is the same, but with no keys or electronics.
    Having extensive experience with both the RT and iPad, I can say that if you don't plan on using a keyboard, then the RT is probably not for you. I find "touch-only" operation of the RT cumbersome. The aspect ratio of the screen is awkward as a tablet, and the Win8 UI and apps are not optimal for touch (yet). Add the fact that a capacitive stylus is virtually unusable and it makes for a disappointing experience.

    With a TouchCover / TypeCover, the RT really shines. If people think of the RT as a netbook that can double as a tablet in a pinch, they'll be satisfied.
    10-09-2013 08:57 AM
  8. TripsG's Avatar
    I'm starting to sense, gwine, that your reticence to getting this is cost over necessity. While I do believe the covers are expensive, they do serve a valuable purpose that I think, once used, you would enjoy and come to appreciate. I disagree with WillysJeep's depiction of the RT as being cumbersome. Most of us on here have extensive use of both iPads and Surface products and it comes down to taste. I personally find the iPad to be "cumbersome", to use Willys phrase, much more so than the Surface. Simple things like putting certain characters on the first ABC press instead of having to dig deeper to find them and having a true "10 key" for the numbers is fantastic. The hardest thing for me to get used to on the Surface was having to physically press a button to get the keyboard to go away, which you don't have to do on the iPad. Willlys not wrong, but it is preference.

    I was an iFan for years and still like their products (nobody, and I mean NOBODY, syncs devices better...come on MS!). But when you compare the two side by side, I can't imagine why anyone would want an iPad over a Surface. Forget apps, that argument has been beaten to death (unless you have a very specific app need, like Yamaha has a networkable audio console so you can run your concert on the iPad from anywhere in the building...not available on the Surface, nor will it ever be, more than likely). It does come down to preference obviously, but to me, the Surface wins hands down. And I'm a power user of the product (at least 10 hours a day for work and play).

    Okay, off my soap box and sorry to hijack the thread with a rant. You're right, it would be nice if there was something out there other than those covers for those who don't want to use a those covers. But I still recommend at least the touch pad if you're not constrained by funds.

    Have a great one!
    10-09-2013 09:24 AM
  9. SwimSwim's Avatar
    I'm starting to sense, gwine, that your reticence to getting this is cost over necessity. While I do believe the covers are expensive, they do serve a valuable purpose that I think, once used, you would enjoy and come to appreciate. I disagree with WillysJeep's depiction of the RT as being cumbersome. Most of us on here have extensive use of both iPads and Surface products and it comes down to taste. I personally find the iPad to be "cumbersome", to use Willys phrase, much more so than the Surface. Simple things like putting certain characters on the first ABC press instead of having to dig deeper to find them and having a true "10 key" for the numbers is fantastic. The hardest thing for me to get used to on the Surface was having to physically press a button to get the keyboard to go away, which you don't have to do on the iPad. Willlys not wrong, but it is preference.

    I was an iFan for years and still like their products (nobody, and I mean NOBODY, syncs devices better...come on MS!). But when you compare the two side by side, I can't imagine why anyone would want an iPad over a Surface. Forget apps, that argument has been beaten to death (unless you have a very specific app need, like Yamaha has a networkable audio console so you can run your concert on the iPad from anywhere in the building...not available on the Surface, nor will it ever be, more than likely). It does come down to preference obviously, but to me, the Surface wins hands down. And I'm a power user of the product (at least 10 hours a day for work and play).

    Okay, off my soap box and sorry to hijack the thread with a rant. You're right, it would be nice if there was something out there other than those covers for those who don't want to use a those covers. But I still recommend at least the touch pad if you're not constrained by funds.

    Have a great one!
    Yeah, device syncing is where Apple really shines, and lest we not forget easy back up (Windows Phone still won't backup or sync app data and game progress. I've got 25GB of SkyDrive storage, maybe you could let me use some of it?
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    10-09-2013 10:15 AM
  10. chrsdrshm's Avatar
    I am taking a serious look at the new Surface 2. While researching, I decided to see what cases and covers are available. To me, most of the non-zip versions are a bit of overkill as they cover up the existing kickstand and then provide their own version.

    I started thinking. I wonder why someone does not come up with a cover that clips into the Surface as the keyboards do. More or less a non-typing version of the type cover. Would be ideal, for my purposes.
    I had to chime in on this one. I am with you..I have had numerous tablets and never really needed a keyboard with it...its nice, but I don't need one for the 100+ it costs. I felt the same way with the rt. I only got a cover cause I got one very cheap from eBay. Nothing against the keyboard it was great. But to be honest I didn't use it much, but loved the protection it offered. I will prob end up getting a touch cover for the 2 cause no one will make a non type cover... All this to say I'm with you on this one... Maybe we shoukd design one and sell it? :-)

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 4
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    10-09-2013 12:43 PM
  11. gwinegarden's Avatar
    "I'm starting to sense, gwine, that your reticence to getting this is cost over necessity."

    No. Let me try to be clear. It is not about cost, it is about the fact that I do not need nor want a keyboard. My point was just that it would be nice to have a snap-on cover that is just a cover.
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    10-10-2013 10:41 AM
  12. gwinegarden's Avatar
    "With a TouchCover / TypeCover, the RT really shines. If people think of the RT as a netbook that can double as a tablet in a pinch, they'll be satisfied."

    I, and, I am sure, many others, prefer to think of it as a tablet that can double as a netbook, in a pinch. If i wanted a netbook, I would buy one.
    10-10-2013 10:47 AM
  13. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    "With a TouchCover / TypeCover, the RT really shines. If people think of the RT as a netbook that can double as a tablet in a pinch, they'll be satisfied."

    I, and, I am sure, many others, prefer to think of it as a tablet that can double as a netbook, in a pinch. If i wanted a netbook, I would buy one.
    Do you own an RT? Have you used it under "normal" conditions (more than a test drive in a store)?

    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the Surface RT/2 falls short in a variety of areas when using it as a tablet that aren't obvious. If those issues don't matter to you, then that's fine... I like to try to help people avoid disappointment or at least understand what they're getting into.
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    10-10-2013 11:09 AM
  14. TripsG's Avatar
    "I'm starting to sense, gwine, that your reticence to getting this is cost over necessity."

    No. Let me try to be clear. It is not about cost, it is about the fact that I do not need nor want a keyboard. My point was just that it would be nice to have a snap-on cover that is just a cover.
    Fair enough. When I was on the iPad I tried using it just as a tablet and found that, very soon after my purchase, needed it to have a cover AND a keyboard. The cover simply because you sneeze on an iProduct and it scratches or shatters, and the keyboard because I just have a need to actually type fast for work. I bought the Zagg case and it did a fantastic job of both. Got a little tiresome not knowing when the keyboard was going to go dead on me but I worked around that.

    Now that I have my Surface I have the perfect keyboard in the Type Cover and have added protection should a herd of bison come stomping by. I'm not worried about them damaging the Surface, just want to keep the dust to a minimum.
    10-10-2013 11:44 AM
  15. chezm's Avatar
    I see many people using iPads that have both the cover and keyboard attachment. How much do those items cost?..
    10-10-2013 11:46 AM
  16. TripsG's Avatar
    The Zagg case back in the day was $99.00. Bluetooth. Nice. Good reaction on the keys, albeit small (I have fat hands). I think they were bought out by Logitech. You can find them on Ebay for around $30 now. But, being it's Apple, there are literally dozens of options so it's up to your personal preference.
    10-10-2013 12:06 PM
  17. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    The Zagg case back in the day was $99.00. Bluetooth. Nice. Good reaction on the keys, albeit small (I have fat hands). I think they were bought out by Logitech. You can find them on Ebay for around $30 now. But, being it's Apple, there are literally dozens of options so it's up to your personal preference.
    True.

    I bought the Logitech Ultrathin keyboard for my iPad 4... $80 @ Best Buy. This has been the best keyboard (in terms of the combination of portability and usability) yet that I've owned for iPads. It really works extremely well, the only downside is the lack of a touchpad. Apple does not support mice/trackpads. Once an untethered jailbreak is available for 6.1.3 I'm jailbreaking my iPad and installing a BT mouse driver.

    IMO, we'll know that Apple is concerned about the Surface RT/2 the moment they provide support for a mouse on the iPad.
    10-10-2013 01:05 PM
  18. chezm's Avatar
    Ah ok not too bad, especially these days that's affordable.
    10-10-2013 03:16 PM
  19. msweig's Avatar
    It might not be the most elegant solution, but what about a broken type cover? (Of course, I'm referring to one where there is an issue with the electronics, and is still structurally sound). I'm sure they are out there somewhere. It might not be as pretty as just a cover, but probably just as functional.
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    10-10-2013 03:28 PM
  20. SwimSwim's Avatar
    It might not be the most elegant solution, but what about a broken type cover? (Of course, I'm referring to one where there is an issue with the electronics, and is still structurally sound). I'm sure they are out there somewhere. It might not be as pretty as just a cover, but probably just as functional.
    There's an idea, check eBay or Craigslist, you could probably find one for free. May not be the most elegant solution, but it could be a very cheap substitute.
    10-10-2013 10:41 PM
  21. calfee20's Avatar
    I have posted numerous time that Microsoft should make a protective cover for short money or include one with each surface.
    10-11-2013 12:10 AM
  22. gwinegarden's Avatar
    Do you own an RT? Have you used it under "normal" conditions (more than a test drive in a store)?

    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the Surface RT/2 falls short in a variety of areas when using it as a tablet that aren't obvious. If those issues don't matter to you, then that's fine... I like to try to help people avoid disappointment or at least understand what they're getting into.
    No, as I said, I am taking a serious look. Right now, I have a Playbook. Only 7 inches and I use it daily with no issues. So, unless the Surface has some big issues with its own keyboard, I can see no problems using it as a tablet.

    I bought a BB keyboard, for the playbook, and have used it only once.
    10-11-2013 10:09 AM
  23. umang_k91's Avatar
    Do you own an RT? Have you used it under "normal" conditions (more than a test drive in a store)?

    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the Surface RT/2 falls short in a variety of areas when using it as a tablet that aren't obvious. If those issues don't matter to you, then that's fine... I like to try to help people avoid disappointment or at least understand what they're getting into.
    sorry i know this is off topic.
    im planning to buy one this month. I dont have the RT, so i wanted to ask u about the shortcomings of the RT/2. My main use would be downloading torrents, watching videos, connecting my hard drive,light office use and heavy IE use. Dont really care for the apps. Does it fall short in any of these things, or anything else that might be relevant? I live in India so i have just seen one surface in the wild. Havnt used it apart from in a store in Europe.
    10-11-2013 11:27 AM
  24. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    sorry i know this is off topic.
    im planning to buy one this month. I dont have the RT, so i wanted to ask u about the shortcomings of the RT/2. My main use would be downloading torrents, watching videos, connecting my hard drive,light office use and heavy IE use. Dont really care for the apps. Does it fall short in any of these things, or anything else that might be relevant? I live in India so i have just seen one surface in the wild. Havnt used it apart from in a store in Europe.
    Re:
    Downloading torrents - I haven't done this. There are about 2 dozen torrent clients in the app store. There should be one that will get the job done.
    Watching videos - Video playback works very well. I only have limited experience with file formats (mostly .mp4, m4v files). There are a variety of media playback apps. I'm waiting for VLC. I just recorded a short video of my RT playing a video off of a usb thumb stick on one half of the screen while working in MS Word on the other... just because I can. :)
    Connect USB drives - works beautifully. No complaints. Haven't found one thing that I wanted to do but couldn't.
    Light office use - if you are referring to MS Office, works surprisingly well. I understand that there are a few features missing (macros in Excel) but in my usage of the office apps, I haven't run into any other limitations.
    Heavy IE use - nice to have the option to view full desktop versions of websites. There is a way to get adblock functionality which is very, very nice on a tablet.

    As I mentioned before, as a netbook replacement, the Surface RT does a fine job (minus the lack of support for legacy x86 apps). Based on the description of what you will be doing, I think that the Surface RT/2 will be fine for you.

    My concerns regarding the RT are primarily when using the RT as a tablet (no external keyboard). I only use my RT as a tablet when my iPad is not easily accessible... If I had to use the RT solely as a tablet, I would not be happy. But that's nothing more than my opinion. If you want to discuss further, start a new thread and we can pick it up there.
    10-11-2013 11:42 AM
  25. rory753's Avatar
    OK, while I tolerate the touch cover, and like the type cover, i do agree that a blank flip cover would be nice. however, I would one up the "blank" flip cover, and make it a wireless charger. heck, why arent all the blades incorporating wireless charging?
    10-11-2013 11:52 AM
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