05-30-2017 09:53 PM
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  1. Rafael Martins1's Avatar
    Considering that the Surface Laptop comes with Windows 10 S, is there any way to use visual studio without having to upgrade to windows 10 pro?
    05-23-2017 10:28 PM
  2. chinkwanhow's Avatar
    You can get a Surface Laptop Windows 10S
    upgrade to Windows 10 Pro for free before year 2017 to run Visual Studio.
    05-23-2017 11:49 PM
  3. k1s23's Avatar
    hey there. unfortunately not but hopefully visual studio will be offered in the windows store in the near future! it would make sense for microsoft to bring all of its apps to the store eventually and they are in the process of doing just that so i think (hope) its inevitable. i dont make apps but after reading how its done, it would be hypocritical to push uwp apps and the app store but an app that contributes to making apps isnt a store app. :P
    05-24-2017 12:13 AM
  4. Rafael Martins1's Avatar
    k1s23, I agree. At least VS Code could have in UWP and running in mobile version.
    05-24-2017 12:16 AM
  5. k1s23's Avatar
    k1s23, I agree. At least VS Code could have in UWP and running in mobile version.
    hey that would be awesome. im sure developers would love to be able to check code easily while on the go. a mobile version of visual studio would be convenient for those people.
    Last edited by k1s23; 05-24-2017 at 04:42 AM.
    05-24-2017 01:25 AM
  6. Drael646464's Avatar
    I think windows pro is a better coding environment. Windows s doesn't have commandlines and its supposed to be very secure. Coding requires full access to all your computers facilities - full user permission access to everything.

    I think the only way to code on windows s, will be to execute on another machine, like a remote server (which there are apps for in the app store, and that may work).

    The only way I could see VS going full UWP in the store, is if it runs fully on a virtual machine. Which might be possible, and it would be good if solutions like that were offered!
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    05-24-2017 04:05 AM
  7. Rodgers Momanyi's Avatar
    You can upgrade to windows 10 pro to use visual studio. Alternatively Microsoft would have to bring visual studio to the store so that it can be downloadable to Windows 10 S
    05-24-2017 07:26 AM
  8. ajcletus500's Avatar
    probably MS may port VS to the store to expand its base but if your really need apps as powerful as VS you should go with the window10 pro because not everything you need will be on the store.
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    05-24-2017 10:06 AM
  9. Rafael Martins1's Avatar
    I think windows pro is a better coding environment. Windows s doesn't have commandlines and its supposed to be very secure. Coding requires full access to all your computers facilities - full user permission access to everything.

    I think the only way to code on windows s, will be to execute on another machine, like a remote server (which there are apps for in the app store, and that may work).

    The only way I could see VS going full UWP in the store, is if it runs fully on a virtual machine. Which might be possible, and it would be good if solutions like that were offered!
    It does not have to be Visual Studio Full, but the VS Code.
    05-24-2017 11:50 AM
  10. Jeffery Holderness's Avatar
    I'm really surprised a lot of Microsoft's own applications aren't available as store apps. Seems strange. Especially since they push getting applications in the store and then they don't even have that many.
    05-24-2017 11:53 AM
  11. kaktus1389's Avatar
    On Windows 10 S no, except if MS puts it to the Windows Store which is unlikely. I hope to see at least VS Code in the Store too.
    05-24-2017 12:22 PM
  12. Rafael Martins1's Avatar
    On Windows 10 S no, except if MS puts it to the Windows Store which is unlikely. I hope to see at least VS Code in the Store too.
    Yes. VS Code would be great.
    kaktus1389 likes this.
    05-24-2017 12:37 PM
  13. anon(10237065)'s Avatar
    I think (or at least hope) that Microsoft will put some sort of VS into the Store. It would make sense, students are playing with programming a bit and at least something like Express edition would be great for Store.
    05-24-2017 01:40 PM
  14. k1s23's Avatar
    I think (or at least hope) that Microsoft will put some sort of VS into the Store. It would make sense, students are playing with programming a bit and at least something like Express edition would be great for Store.
    hello. does that express version differ greatly from the full version?
    05-25-2017 01:56 AM
  15. anon(10237065)'s Avatar
    hello. does that express version differ greatly from the full version?
    Well now it's called Community, but basically it's the same version as Pro and others, it just doesn't have the advanced tools for debugging, live testing and testing in overall. Also no enterprise features. But in terms of writing a code, there should be little difference.
    05-25-2017 03:21 AM
  16. k1s23's Avatar
    Well now it's called Community, but basically it's the same version as Pro and others, it just doesn't have the advanced tools for debugging, live testing and testing in overall. Also no enterprise features. But in terms of writing a code, there should be little difference.
    hey there, i see. nice to know there is a basic option available at the moment, although that definitely wont cut it for every developer using windows 10. if it had testing then writing code+testing would be a great uwp express app.
    05-25-2017 06:44 AM
  17. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    I know you can't run it on 10 S as it is, and I'm not sure if Microsoft would even be able to port Visual Studio to the Store as a full UWA without making some serious compromises that might affect the programs effectiveness and performance, while also diluting the Visual Studio name with further versions that may or may not work as well. I think the only way that could work would be either for Microsoft to port a lightweight version of Studio to the Store (like Code) or to somehow come up with a way to fully port the entirety of Studio to the Store and then drop the Win32 version. And with how many registry entries Studio alone makes, and how much access Studio needs to develop heavy duty applications and apps, I don't think it's possible let alone likely. Maybe if Microsoft uses a virtual machine, but that poses the same problems I posed earlier: what compromises would we have to make to have a UWP version of Studio? What benefits would we gain besides using Studio with 10 S?
    05-25-2017 06:31 PM
  18. k1s23's Avatar
    I know you can't run it on 10 S as it is, and I'm not sure if Microsoft would even be able to port Visual Studio to the Store as a full UWA without making some serious compromises that might affect the programs effectiveness and performance, while also diluting the Visual Studio name with further versions that may or may not work as well. I think the only way that could work would be either for Microsoft to port a lightweight version of Studio to the Store (like Code) or to somehow come up with a way to fully port the entirety of Studio to the Store and then drop the Win32 version. And with how many registry entries Studio alone makes, and how much access Studio needs to develop heavy duty applications and apps, I don't think it's possible let alone likely. Maybe if Microsoft uses a virtual machine, but that poses the same problems I posed earlier: what compromises would we have to make to have a UWP version of Studio? What benefits would we gain besides using Studio with 10 S?
    hey zachary, really good points there. since im not a developer and have never used visual studio, this is all foreign to me so its nice to see someone with lots of technical information about visual studio write a reply. i guess if youre making apps then you would want to avoid windows 10 s for now because of its limits and would be more productive overall on a windows 10 pro machine instead. maybe we will find out more info at build next year? :P
    05-26-2017 02:02 AM
  19. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    hey zachary, really good points there. since im not a developer and have never used visual studio, this is all foreign to me so its nice to see someone with lots of technical information about visual studio write a reply. i guess if youre making apps then you would want to avoid windows 10 s for now because of its limits and would be more productive overall on a windows 10 pro machine instead. maybe we will find out more info at build next year? :P
    That's my thoughts exactly. If you're a developer looking to create or build your own apps or programs, you'll want to avoid Windows 10 S for now. Nobody is developing apps on an Android tablet or iPad, so why should they on a version of Windows locked down to the Store?
    05-26-2017 03:25 PM
  20. Jayesh Sharma's Avatar
    All Microsoft apps should come to the Store, naturally. Will probably have to wait till year end to know for sure.
    05-27-2017 10:34 PM
  21. ghese's Avatar
    Aren't there alternatives to VS Code in the store?
    05-28-2017 06:49 PM
  22. k1s23's Avatar
    All Microsoft apps should come to the Store, naturally. Will probably have to wait till year end to know for sure.
    jayesh wouldnt that be nice! it makes sense for microsoft to offer every software it makes in the windows store that its trying to promote. im sure as the desktop bridge/project centennial develops there will be more and more compatibility things resolved and microsofts apps will make their way over.
    05-28-2017 07:20 PM
  23. Rafael Martins1's Avatar
    That's my thoughts exactly. If you're a developer looking to create or build your own apps or programs, you'll want to avoid Windows 10 S for now. Nobody is developing apps on an Android tablet or iPad, so why should they on a version of Windows locked down to the Store?
    I would be very happy to open the three screens of a smartphone, run the visual studio code, at least, and edit an application that I was working on, or develop something fast in an academic environment without having to use a notebook or desktop. This is my dream of mobile productivity.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/...DM4DZApYQ.jpeg
    05-28-2017 10:33 PM
  24. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Considering that the Surface Laptop comes with Windows 10 S, is there any way to use visual studio without having to upgrade to windows 10 pro?

    The answer to your question is no.
    05-29-2017 12:51 AM
  25. k1s23's Avatar
    I would be very happy to open the three screens of a smartphone, run the visual studio code, at least, and edit an application that I was working on, or develop something fast in an academic environment without having to use a notebook or desktop. This is my dream of mobile productivity.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/...DM4DZApYQ.jpeg
    hey rafael what do you mean "the three screens of a smartphone"? are you talking about windows 10 mobile, android, and ios? i agree that there are times i want to make edits but dont want to use my computer. it happens for me with editing photos, but i do appreciate the convenience of doing something like that when i edit onenote notes or send messages in chat apps so any app and app user could benefit from this action of fluid transition between computer and mobile device including developers and app development.
    05-29-2017 02:04 AM
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