10-25-2013 11:42 PM
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  1. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    I was thinking of the Pro 2, but now the xps 12 caught my eye. What are your thoughts on this versus the pro 2? And other competition?
    09-24-2013 09:02 PM
  2. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    09-24-2013 09:10 PM
  3. Daylife's Avatar
    I was thinking of the Pro 2, but now the xps 12 caught my eye. What are your thoughts on this versus the pro 2? And other competition?
    there is no competition :p

    But yeah jokes aside, I would never EVER buy a Dell product lol. The hardware of the Surface Pro 2 is amazing and can't be compared with any other tablet/ultrabook the performance the quality is just perfect. Yes you can get a cheaper alternative, but cheaper isn't always better and I've learned that with Technology lol
    psudotechzealot likes this.
    09-25-2013 12:00 AM
  4. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    09-25-2013 12:22 AM
  5. coolqf's Avatar
    Like someone else already mentioned, I like to stay away from DELL. They might great computers, but a couple of years ago, they were just horrible.

    Some great competitors:
    Sony Tap 11
    Asus Transformer Book
    IdeaPad Yoga 2
    Macbook Air

    There's also the ASUS UX series, which also has a touch screen.

    It all comes down to your needs and price point. For me, for example. The Surface Pro 2 is great, but I need 8GB and at least 128GB of storage, and it has to have a keyboard (I already have 2 tablets).
    For my needs, the tablet comes out to 1540, after taxes. Which make me ask, can I find something else close to my needs for less?
    Personally, the Surface Pro2 is at the bottom of the list. I just can't justify the price for my needs.
    09-25-2013 03:22 AM
  6. azcruz's Avatar
    For the 8GB, 128GB SSD config, what will be the price of those you posted?
    09-25-2013 03:39 AM
  7. coolqf's Avatar
    For the 8GB, 128GB SSD config, what will be the price of those you posted?
    These are all new computers that will be released in late October and for ths reason the prices haven't been released yet. The macbook air is be 1164, the current yoga is 910, however. The starting price of the new yoga 2 is 1099. I'm hoping for something under 1200. When I buy a computer I always aim for it to last me 5yrs, and I'm at 5yrs and 1 month now :D
    09-25-2013 09:00 AM
  8. azcruz's Avatar
    Thanks for the info and that's a pretty good strategy.

    Sent from my LT25i using Tapatalk 4
    09-25-2013 09:04 AM
  9. chezm's Avatar
    I like the Lenovo Yoga 2.
    A lot of people keep mentioning this model, so i took a look yesterday and maybe you need to use it first hand but im not impressed by the design. Im sure its super powerful and works really well, for someone who likes the design i can see it being a true competitor with Pro 2.

    Back on topic:
    For myself, im still sold on the Pro 2...i've been waiting almost 2 years to buy a laptop for something new and exciting, and MS's product delivers what i hoped for...and more. Of course not at a cheap cost but i've waited long enough and think its time to treat myself. I havent used a lot of touch screen laptops, only demoed a few at Best Buy. For ME, nothing else compares.
    09-25-2013 09:04 AM
  10. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    I'll see what happens. All are great computers. *sigh
    09-25-2013 09:09 AM
  11. coolqf's Avatar
    I'll see what happens. All are great computers. *sigh
    All great computers and you sigh? Is it a sigh of joy, that you have great toys to choose from or a sigh of disappointment because you can only choose one?
    unstoppablekem likes this.
    09-25-2013 09:17 AM
  12. theefman's Avatar
    The only things going for the Pro 2 are design, build and accessories IMO. The tablet itself isn't packing anything out of the ordinary so I'm not convinced. Rather than the XPS12 though I much prefer the XPS 11, 11" 2540x1440 screen, 2 x USB 3.0, digitizer, fanless Haswell, carbon fiber weave body, backlit touch keyboard. Good alternative, i think.
    unstoppablekem likes this.
    09-25-2013 09:23 AM
  13. WG Rowland's Avatar
    If you're coming at it from a notebook first perspective. The Yoga (and I imagine the Yoga 2) are good options. I have the Yoga 13 and it's very nice, but it's really too big to be useful as a tablet. Feeling the keys in the back really isn't a bother, it's just the size & bulk. It's tablet mode is ok for some things and too large for others, so it limits the tablet side of the experience.

    I'm not sure I NEED a tablet with a full PC's prowess, but it's the inclusion of the Surface Pro pen that puts it over the top for me. I've used Wacom tablets in my day to day, and the ability to have the full PC/pen experience in my lap or with me while doing Photography makes the Pro a solid choice for me where I'd likely be recommending RT or Atom based tablets for most.

    Microsoft is trying to produce an everything product for an audience that doesn't know what it wants. We want bigger and more powerful, but we want to put it in our pocket. Those two experiences aren't really compatible, but people haven't seemed to figure that out yet and are happy to ask for both in the same breath (and even get mad when a company can't supply them with their contradictory desires)...

    (end ramble)
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    09-25-2013 09:28 AM
  14. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    All great computers and you sigh? Is it a sigh of joy, that you have great toys to choose from or a sigh of disappointment because you can only choose one?
    Because I can only choose one. I want all!
    09-25-2013 10:44 AM
  15. macroweb's Avatar
    I have a 1st gen Surface Pro, I like it a lot. The poor battery life has been an issue as has the fan noise while Skyping with my family. The graphics capabilities have always seem a bit weak too.

    While I am on the fence on upgrading or not, I am intrigued by this unit: SONY INTRODUCES FALL LINEUP OF VAIO PCs | Sony

    The Vaio Flip comes in 13", 14" and 15" sizes and at least one of the sizes can be upgraded to include a dedicated graphics chip. Of course, pricing will be a consideration.

    Anyone have any better information?
    09-25-2013 03:13 PM
  16. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    I'm now very interested in the Dell Venue Pro 11 and XPS 11. Either one of these three will be my choice. Need some help
    10-02-2013 07:30 PM
  17. KrightonX's Avatar
    I'm now very interested in the Dell Venue Pro 11 and XPS 11. Either one of these three will be my choice. Need some help
    You certainly get what you pay for when you buy a TRUE piece of OEM equipment. The Surface Pro is where it's at in terms of power, functionality and size. Nothing else rivals it. If you don't want top of the line in those categories, then the Surface Pro or Pro 2 aren't for you.

    You'll be in the Customer Service line with a Dell, PRAYING they don't ask for your receipt or give you grief. I suspect it'll be 3-4 days after the exchange/return policy expires. Dell has that worked out really well.
    10-03-2013 03:55 AM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    The Venue 11 Pro compares well with the Surface Pro 2. Things like LTE option, replaceable battery, bigger screen, lighter, thinner, longer battery life, fanless and silent, NFC, TPM, smartcard reader, fingerprint reader balance out the Surface build, design, extra power and accessories. The Dell is a better option for enterprise and the docking station is cheaper. So there are real reasons to choose the dell if you are willing to evaluate it honestly.
    unstoppablekem likes this.
    10-03-2013 05:45 AM
  19. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    The Venue 11 Pro compares well with the Surface Pro 2. Things like LTE option, replaceable battery, bigger screen, lighter, thinner, longer battery life, fanless and silent, NFC, TPM, smartcard reader, fingerprint reader balance out the Surface build, design, extra power and accessories. The Dell is a better option for enterprise and the docking station is cheaper. So there are real reasons to choose the dell if you are willing to evaluate it honestly.
    Fingerprint? You sure? On the venue pro 11?
    10-03-2013 08:47 AM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    Fingerprint? You sure? On the venue pro 11?
    Its an option for the secure model.
    Last edited by theefman; 10-03-2013 at 10:27 AM.
    10-03-2013 10:16 AM
  21. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Its an option for the secure model.
    Man! So many good choices. Either the Pro 2, Venue pro 11, or xps 11. Sigh.
    10-03-2013 10:49 AM
  22. TomInAmsterdam's Avatar
    For me I am torn between the Tap 11 and Surface Pro 2, the 2 things that are making it difficult, Sony has GPS but I really like the slim touch keyboard on the Surface, if I could get that Tap 11 with a nice thin keyboard it would win!
    10-11-2013 01:47 AM
  23. MoggSquad's Avatar
    Tap 11 gets average review. I'd buy Pro 2 over the tap 11

    Sony VAIO Tap 11 review: meet Sony's answer to the Surface Pro

    As is, though, the companies charge about the same for similar specs, and from what we can tell, Microsoft's tablet is of higher quality. Don't get us wrong: the Tap 11 has some good things going for it: the keyboard is comfortable; pen input works well; the tablet itself is thin and light; and the 1080p IPS display offers fantastic viewing angles. But it's clear that Sony had to compromise on build quality to achieve that attractive price point. And while we haven't yet tested the Surface Pro 2 for battery life and performance, we've spent enough time with it to know it's a more carefully made product, even if it's heavier. For now, we'd encourage you to at least wait for our Surface review to see how the two stack up. And Sony, if you're reading this, it's not too late to rewrite the Tap 11 as a more competitive product: all you need is a little price drop.
    Last edited by MoggSquad; 10-15-2013 at 05:30 PM. Reason: Adding link
    10-15-2013 05:29 PM
  24. chezm's Avatar
    You'll be in the Customer Service line with a Dell, PRAYING they don't ask for your receipt or give you grief. I suspect it'll be 3-4 days after the exchange/return policy expires. Dell has that worked out really well.
    I know many people who had horrible experienced with Dell, including my sister. That was not fun, calling customer support and getting nowhere...basically having to purchase replacement parts and install myself. A power supply and video card crapping out in less than 6 months?...i call that bad.

    -------------------

    On a side note, another review of a competitive device running Haswell:

    Review: Sony

    VAIO Flip 13

    The good
    Attractive styling
    Full-size keyboard and trackpad that arent sacrificed on the altar of convertibility
    Haswell delivers solid performance
    Reasonable (but not exceptional) battery life
    Digitizer thats compatible with Sonys existing VAIO pen accessories


    The bad
    Despite aluminum and plastic construction, the laptop is overly flexible throughout
    Screen is bright and colorful, but slightly grainy
    Lid lifts computer off of the surface its on while open, and the hard plastic standoffs make the laptop less stable on a hard table or desk


    The ugly
    Fan spins up with very little provocation, making the Flip noisier than most competing Ultrabooks
    10-16-2013 08:44 AM
  25. MoggSquad's Avatar
    I've had enough experiences with Dell (both personal and corporate) to say all negativity is over-stated. Insert company X and you will get people popping out to tell you of their bad experiences with them, just the way it is.

    IMO, Dell's biggest problem are bland designs.
    10-16-2013 09:28 AM
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