06-16-2014 09:29 AM
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  1. ytrewq's Avatar
    Just a few things to add:

    1) I've tried out the SP3. You can't compare the SP2 trackpad to the SP3. Just focusing on the trackpads, you would not know they are from the same family. They have nothing in common. The SP3's slickness is comparable to, and arguably better than, my Acer Aspire. Very nice. IMHO, if we're at the point that we're looking at the difference between Aspire-level smoothness and MBP-level smoothness, it's time to worry about something else. (The SP3 trackpad also has a nice feature that, while clicking on the lower right is a "right click," clicking ANYWHERE ELSE on the trackpad gives you a left click. I don't mean tapping, like a normal trackpad; I mean clicking. The whole trackpad is clickable. It seems like a small thing, but it's really pleasant once you start doing it.)

    2) If you are a college student, buy a docking station regardless of which direction you go. Typing papers on a SP3/SP2/laptop in class or in the library is workable. But when you get back to the dorm/apartment, you will want a 22"+ monitor with a desktop-style ergonomic keyboard and a full-on mouse or trackball. No laptop or Surface keyboard/trackpad/display compares. And if you take that advice, then the only time the MacBook or SP2/SP3 trackpad/keyboard/screen makes a difference is in class and at the library. In those situations, IMHO, you'll find that the differences are not a big enough deal to worry about. You may, however, find that the pen on the SP2/SP3 is a significant advantage. You should try to get your hands on one and see whether the ability to draw diagrams, etc. with the pen is going to be helpful to you.

    3) I agree that you should not rule out the SP2 just because the SP3 is newer. The SP2 is a great device, and it's only 1/4 lb heavier. That can matter in some situations, but I don't think it's much of a difference for student purposes. If you can, get to an MS store and check both of them out. I would expect the key differences that might matter to you would be: (1) How much cheaper can you get the SP2? You might wait a couple months and see how the pricing sorts out once the SP3 is released. The SP2 could get significantly cheaper. (2) Aspect ratio. I really like the 3:2 screen on the SP3. But the smaller screen on the SP2 has its advantages, too. (3) Battery life. The SP3 is supposed to have an extra couple hours of battery life under normal use. I can't attest to that, but that's what they say. Depending on how you use it at school, and how many outlets are in your classrooms, the extra battery life may or may not be important to you.

    4) How much time do you spend typing with your device on your lap? Not just web-browsing or watching videos, because I don't think it matters for those purposes. But if you really spend hours a day typing on your lap, then by all means get a clamshell device. The SP2/SP3 keyboard is great, but it's not a clamshell. But frankly, I rarely see students typing on their lap. My kids put their laptops/surfaces on a table, desk, etc., but I only have one kid who likes to do his homework on the couch with the TV on and the laptop on his legs. He needs a clamshell. For most people, all this "lapability" talk is a non-issue.

    4) In college, you are probably taking your laptop/surface everywhere you go. There is a good chance that, at some point during your 4 year education (or however many years it lasts), you will drop your device, sit on it, run over it, or whatever. For a college student, the accidental damage is a bigger risk than failure due to a product defect because you are hauling it around so much and because, frankly, college students are still learning to be careful. To my knowledge, Apple does not offer anything that would cover accidental damage, although you could get third party insurance. Microsoft's two-year plan (for which you pay extra) is really outstanding. I've used it. In fact, when one of my kids sat on laptop and broke the screen, we used the Microsoft Complete warranty to replace it about ten days ago. Since the laptop was no longer manufactured, they gave us a credit for the full purchase price, which we used to buy a Surface Pro 2. And on the 20th, we will return that SP2 (within the 30 day window) and use the credit to pay for an SP3. Bottom line, while it took them a few days to process everything (which was annoying), the Microsoft Complete plan worked out very well for us. I wouldn't think of buying an expensive device without it.

    Overall, there are no wrong answers. You are looking at some great technology no matter which way you go. IMHO, I think the SP3 is probably the best device available for a student, but you could certainly argue otherwise.
    06-10-2014 07:53 PM
  2. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Just a few things to add:

    1) I've tried out the SP3. You can't compare the SP2 trackpad to the SP3. Just focusing on the trackpads, you would not know they are from the same family. They have nothing in common. The SP3's slickness is comparable to, and arguably better than, my Acer Aspire. Very nice. IMHO, if we're at the point that we're looking at the difference between Aspire-level smoothness and MBP-level smoothness, it's time to worry about something else. (The SP3 trackpad also has a nice feature that, while clicking on the lower right is a "right click," clicking ANYWHERE ELSE on the trackpad gives you a left click. I don't mean tapping, like a normal trackpad; I mean clicking. The whole trackpad is clickable. It seems like a small thing, but it's really pleasant once you start doing it.)
    That is outstanding news! Thanks. I look forward to test driving one myself.
    06-10-2014 09:05 PM
  3. mozman68's Avatar
    That is outstanding news! Thanks. I look forward to test driving one myself.
    X2...when I tried it out, I couldn't understand the complaints. It worked perfectly in the store. Was certainly big enough for me to do everything I needed to do. Love the "clickability" instead of separate buttons.
    06-10-2014 09:30 PM
  4. Rafael Rodrigues's Avatar
    First of all, thank you very much for that detailed answer! It helped quite a lot

    1) I've heard great things about the new trackpad, so it wouldn't be the reasons to chose rMBP over the SP3. You're post left me much more relived and creating I'm making the right choice

    2) I like the docking station, though I think it's too expensive. The whole surface package,if you add everything, is extremely expensive.
    I could just buy the rMBP for the same price (with student discount), with similar (somewhat better) specs regarding CPU and SSD storage, and yet have free updates, free native apps and be certain that it would work fine for the next few years
    But the surface is something different... It's a gamble, cause we can't really predict it's future since it's so new. But if it pays out, it's a huge reward!
    I honestly think that if I go SP3, I will never go back. I'm used to the idea of having a big laptop sitting on the desk. Having something like the surface really makes me skeptical haha, cause it just sounds too good to be true

    3) As I've stated before, right now there aren't any real advantages for going with the older generation. Besides, I was really considering the i7 (even if it's a year old), and I can't get that with the SP2 (besides the reasons I stated in other posts)

    4) Lapability didn't concern me from the beginning, cause I usually work on a flat surface.
    I also use the iPad quite a lot to type, and I find myself preferring a digital keyboard over a real one
    Am I crazy?

    5) I also intend in getting the Microsoft two-year plan, though I don't know how much it costs. I gotta look into that, though I tend to be extremely careful with my devices. My 2-year-old Note 2 looks new on ten outside. There are no scratches or sines of use (mainly because of the huge case I put on it. I highly recommend the Samsung Protective Case+! The phone, not so much...)
    06-11-2014 03:49 AM
  5. JamesPTao's Avatar
    Hey everyone! It's my first post, so I hope you reply

    My 4-year-old Vaio laptop is in serious need of a retirement, so I'm planning on buying something new and improved!
    I'm going to college in a couple of moths to study Bioengineering, so I need something portable, but most of all, that can last and won't brake or become sluggish after a couple of years.
    I was thinking about a MacBook Pro for that reason, but I really like the Surface Pro 3
    My only concern is that it won't last me too long, or that some disaster will eventually happen and leave it "incapacitated"

    Do you think a tablet can really withstand the years? Or the i7 CPU for that matter?
    I just don't wanna regret my decision later on

    Thanks a lot!
    The surface is great but not your only option. The fujitsu q or 7 series is touch and pen enabled wacom. The q screen can rotate flat facing up on the keyboard or remove completely. They are built really tough. The 7 series has a second bay that can be used for a 2nd battery, disc drive, bluray/DVD drive, or even pico projector. For someone who wants a wacom rouch enabled device both are the best it gets.
    06-11-2014 04:22 AM
  6. Rafael Rodrigues's Avatar
    I think Fujitsu has great devices, but they're so expensive...
    Unfortunately, it's out of my budget

    But thanks for the suggestion!
    06-11-2014 04:31 AM
  7. JamesPTao's Avatar
    I think Fujitsu has great devices, but they're so expensive...
    Unfortunately, it's out of my budget

    But thanks for the suggestion!
    No problem at all. Yes they are expensive. I've always bought them 1-1.5 years old off business lease. Great condition by instead of 2000-2900 get it for 500-600.
    06-11-2014 07:15 PM
  8. Rafael Rodrigues's Avatar
    How? Where? Haha
    06-11-2014 07:26 PM
  9. vlad0's Avatar
    The price is the only issue.. really.. other than that this is an amazing device and it works really well for a student, or a professional, or in fact.. anybody besides theverge staff.

    If this thing was ~$700 with included keyboard+dock people will start to pay attention, but as it stands.. how many students will be able to afford one ?
    06-11-2014 09:29 PM
  10. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    ...

    2) I like the docking station, though I think it's too expensive. The whole surface package,if you add everything, is extremely expensive.
    ...
    You don't have to get the MS docking station to use the Surface Pro as a desktop. A couple of options are...

    1) Just get a single monitor, USB or Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and a USB 3.0 hub. You probably already have most of those items anyway. You will have to plug in 3 cables (charger, USB hub, display), but you will have a desktop environment. Later, you can add a docking station to the mix for convenience.

    2) Get a USB3.0 docking station. I use the one below. It supports two external monitors, gigabit Ethernet, and several USB 2/3 ports.

    Amazon.com: Toshiba Dynadock Docking Station (PA3927U1PRP): Computers & Accessories

    ...

    If this thing was ~$700 with included keyboard+dock people will start to pay attention, but as it stands.. how many students will be able to afford one ?
    I would say about the same number of students that can afford MacBooks and iPads which seems to be a lot. Lets face it, in many cases the parents are buying this stuff. Also, there are a lot of college students that have a job, but almost no expenses (still live at home, etc.) so they may very well have more disposable income than many non-student adults.

    Anyway, for what you get with a Surface Pro it's really very competitively priced in my opinion. It's certainly not cheap, but it is fairly priced for what it offers. The only problem is that many people don't need everything it offers. To those people, it may seem overpriced.
    06-11-2014 11:56 PM
  11. Rafael Rodrigues's Avatar
    I agree with what you said regarding price, but Microsoft was rather stupid to not include the keyboard with the tablet... Even if they had to raise the prices a little bit, they should have included it.
    It's part of the experience and it would probably bring a lot more people to the surface family!

    When you compare prices, a MacBook Pro becomes cheaper... (The i7 has similar performance to the i5 on the mac)
    Still, I'm no average consumer and I will probably get the SP3
    06-12-2014 03:05 AM
  12. hopmedic's Avatar
    I can hook my SP2 to two monitors for a the screen experience for cheap. Paid I think $8 for a mini dv port to HDMI adapter for one, and a $60 or $70 USB video adapter for the other. Been using the USB solution with my laptop for a couple years, so just added gg the dv port adapter so I could stick the surface in place of the laptop.
    06-12-2014 06:22 AM
  13. Rafael Rodrigues's Avatar
    Cool setup, though I think one monitor will be enough for my needs
    06-12-2014 06:31 AM
  14. vertigoOne's Avatar
    With CAD programs running with other stuff, it can be as low as 4 hours on high performance mode.
    It seems all but certain that a power cover is in the works for the SP3. That would add 2+ hours to that figure, and having the power cover for my SP1 the weight added to the keyboard gives the keyboard a much better typing experience.

    Also considering the added width and height of the SP3, it would give room to either flatten out the battery a little more in a new power cover to make it thinner than the current iteration, or increase capacity and add backlighting and keep the same thickness.
    06-13-2014 03:37 PM
  15. california86's Avatar
    It seems all but certain that a power cover is in the works for the SP3.
    Any source for this or is that just speculation? I wouldn't mind picking up myself a power cover if it comes out.
    06-13-2014 04:02 PM
  16. Rafael Rodrigues's Avatar
    Same here. I hope they release it before the end of August, so I don't have to buy two covers!
    06-13-2014 04:21 PM
  17. Dave Drouin's Avatar
    I still think 12 inches with 3:2 is on the small side. My laptop is a 15.6, which I will replace. So i'm kind of torn. I still have my desktop though which is 2 - 23inch screens, almost 4 feel wide. ;) Maybe that's my problem.
    Like others I'm a little concerned about durability. I really don't like seeing the grid on top to let the hot air from the fan out. Concerns me a lot.
    I wonder if with the broadwell chip the grid will still be there to let heat out. if that's the case, might as well get the one with the fan.
    Better to let the heat out i suppose.
    I have gone to see the SP3 and liked it a lot. I would like to take it into a back room to see how quiet (or not) it is with the fan. Maybe the'll let me take it into the mens room. hahaha.
    I supposed there will be plenty of reviews on june 20th to tell us how noisy it is.
    06-13-2014 04:46 PM
  18. Rafael Rodrigues's Avatar
    Hopefully so haha
    Most reviews I've read say it's extremely quiet, and that it's only audible during intensive tasks!
    Hopefully that's right
    06-13-2014 05:02 PM
  19. hopmedic's Avatar
    Like others I'm a little concerned about durability. I really don't like seeing the grid on top to let the hot air from the fan out. Concerns me a lot.
    Why are you concerned about the grid on top to let air out? That's how the current line works.
    06-13-2014 05:25 PM
  20. vertigoOne's Avatar
    Any source for this or is that just speculation? I wouldn't mind picking up myself a power cover if it comes out.
    Pure speculation. The SP3 seems to just approach the line for all day 'light' use, it seems pretty necessary for anyone wanting to do any serious computation on the go... this accessory could make or break the decision for many students I imagine.
    06-16-2014 09:29 AM
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