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  1. FTech9's Avatar
    I have to say, Microsoft really let me and my Surface Pro 3 down with Windows 10. Anyone who knows me will tell you I am a huge Microsoft guy, I am always pushing Microsoft products. But Windows 10 is nowhere near Windows 8 in terms of touch friendly. Really, there are only two things that ruined my SP3 tablet experience. First, no touch optimized browser!!! Wow, I am speechless, wait no actually really angry about it. The metro browser may not have been perfect, but for a tablet it was pretty awesome. And second, swipe app change. While not a deal breaker, it was extremely efficient way to fly through open apps.

    Other than that Windows 10 seem like a pretty awesome OS IMHP. I am sure a lot of desktop users are going to like it over Windows 8. But then again the desktop computer market is dying. Mobile devices are king and that means touch is the way of the future. It was a mistake, especially with the Surface line, for Microsoft to take such a big back-step in tablet usability.
    08-19-2015 11:53 PM
  2. NICK TOALE's Avatar
    I think Windows 10 for touch could have been a lot better but it is still a work in progress hopefully they will put back in the touch browser unfortunately I think they tried to please everyone but existing Windows 8 users. I thought the start screen for 8 was a much better design. I think they listened to too many Apple users (How old is that terrible UI). If they brought back the Metro start from 8 to Windows 10 then I would be happy. But I do like 10 just need a touch browser in Edge
    08-20-2015 12:18 AM
  3. gregh57's Avatar
    couldn't agree more - I had high hopes for win10 on my pro3 but it has not been good at all - Edge is probably the worst browser experience I've had (and I go back to Mosaic) - and with the dock it is even worse. I hear a lot of talk about October for a major update but if the system is not working okay after that I will switching to a macbook air like most of my students have. I never thought I'd do that, but win10 is a step back from 8.1 as far as my experience goes
    Kevin Rush and Ian_Superfly like this.
    08-20-2015 04:01 AM
  4. mutant 9's Avatar
    I upgraded my SP3 to windows 10 and the battery life has been very bad. The fan kicks on quite offer even if I'm just on the web and doing emails. Anyone else experience this? Anything that can be done to make it better?
    mapenn likes this.
    08-20-2015 11:22 AM
  5. Visa Declined's Avatar
    But then again the desktop computer market is dying.
    More and more people are turning to mobile devices, but the desktop pc market is definitely not "dying."
    08-20-2015 01:44 PM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    More and more people are turning to mobile devices, but the desktop pc market is definitely not "dying."
    Mobile devices are complementing, not supplanting, desktop computing.
    nohra likes this.
    08-20-2015 02:43 PM
  7. mtb1's Avatar
    any way to roll back to 8.1 from 10? I'm on the insiders preview and when I tried it says, files don't exist :/
    08-20-2015 02:50 PM
  8. o0Nighthawk0o's Avatar
    I agree. I thought 8.1 was perfect on my tablets and I had no problems navigating around on my laptop with just a mouse and keyboard. Windows 10's UI is a major step backwards.
    08-20-2015 02:58 PM
  9. Roberto Vega's Avatar
    I have had similar experience with Win 10 upgrade on my Surface Pro 3. Win 10 has me seriously considering going back to Linux. A new browser that does not fully support touch? You must be kidding. After upgrade my battery would not last two hours. There were system files (System Interrupts, ntoskrnl.exe) continuously taking about 30 percent of the CPU. The MS sculpt Comfort mouse would randomly stop working. The tablet mode was terrible. Overall Win 10 was a disaster for me. I wasted almost a week of time I could have dedicated to research trying to fix this Microsoft mess. I downgraded back to Win 8.1, which is not as trivial as MS would have you believe,and all the problems went away. Now I am constantly harassed by the MS icon urging me to upgrade!

    MS is overpaying an army of programmers to produce this crap? I don't think MS will continue be a viable/reliable OS in the future. Thank you MS for wasting my time!
    Ian_Superfly likes this.
    08-21-2015 06:00 AM
  10. msirapian's Avatar
    W10 is not a finished product. They *had* to release it end of July, so that OEM get their products in time for "back to school" period.

    They released a minimal viable product. Look at "outlook mail & calendar", obvious things are missing (empty trash, do NOT download remote content, etc.)

    But they don't care. Because it's coming (educated guess) in TH2, or a future branch. I think that W10, on PC and tablet, will be more mature when W10 mobile is released. A former Acompli guy said that on Twitter: the mail client is going to received new features, all along the W10M development cycle, and of course, the PC client will follow.

    I'm quite sure that the tablet mode will evolve too, or all the "touch optimised" apps.

    We will have to judge/compare W10, when W10M is out, and the PC OS has matured by cross-fertilization.

    My 2 cts.
    08-21-2015 08:20 AM
  11. Alienhead95's Avatar
    I have a similar experience on mine and my wife's SP3. The graphic drivers update has made it a little better, but still nowhere close to 8.1
    I upgraded my SP3 to windows 10 and the battery life has been very bad. The fan kicks on quite offer even if I'm just on the web and doing emails. Anyone else experience this? Anything that can be done to make it better?
    08-21-2015 08:31 AM
  12. FTech9's Avatar
    When I said the Desktop market it dyeing I meant it is no longer a growth market. The desktop market has shrunk dramatically in the mobile era, but that doesn't mean its going away anytime soon.

    Why it is that Microsoft can create 98% of an amazing product, but that last 2% makes people want to yank all the hair out of their skulls...
    Last edited by FTech9; 08-21-2015 at 09:43 AM.
    08-21-2015 08:50 AM
  13. garak0410's Avatar
    Interesting, in that I actually like tablet mode in Windows 10 better than 8.1...but, battery life is just awful...terrible... :(
    Iain_S likes this.
    08-21-2015 09:10 AM
  14. Blake Seaman's Avatar
    I really miss how clean the 8.1 Tiles looked against my background. Whether vertical or horizontal, a bing image of the day with a host of live tiles made my SP3 a gorgeous experience. It feels lackluster at best now.
    08-21-2015 12:25 PM
  15. Dietrich Cleijne's Avatar
    I have W10 on my VAIO in the living room and it works perfectly. I can't imagine a Surface device would be worse than a Sony.
    But if you're really disappointed i'd be willing to trade!
    :)
    Iain_S likes this.
    08-21-2015 04:17 PM
  16. Iain_S's Avatar
    I have W10 on my VAIO in the living room and it works perfectly. I can't imagine a Surface device would be worse than a Sony.
    But if you're really disappointed i'd be willing to trade!
    :)
    I have no problem with win10 on my sp3, for me it looks so much better and tablet mode although missing some things is way better, they will also improve and add features over time.
    Dietrich Cleijne likes this.
    08-21-2015 06:17 PM
  17. mandong's Avatar
    I have no problem with win10 on my sp3, for me it looks so much better and tablet mode although missing some things is way better, they will also improve and add features over time.

    Why don't you rollback to 8.1 for the meantime?
    08-21-2015 06:37 PM
  18. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    I couldn't disagree more. My Surface Pro 3/Windows 10 setup has been great even during the earlier preview builds. Can't wait for SP4. :)
    08-22-2015 04:31 PM
  19. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    Sounds like whiners don't like change I love my sp2 with 10 on, what you guys are crying about it absolutely ridiculous. Microsoft said edge os going to grow and add touch support! They needed to put out a bullet proof engine first, then add add-ons. Between 8.1 and 10 in tablet mode there are differences but not to warrant going back! Continuum works 90% onwards.

    Yes there are battery life and driver issues buts that like all o/s after new release take for example 95-98 xp - 7 7- 8. The firmware update on my sp2 gives me up to 6 hours battery, run edge or anything graphical it's less 2hr.

    Either way it's the right direction and I'm happy as its progress over 7+ 8
    08-22-2015 05:00 PM
  20. Ivan05il's Avatar
    They killed off everything from 8.1 touch related. Gestures, ideas, controls, everything gone. It's just desktop and a half arsed tablet mode. Touch is just an afterthought, tap with a finger equals a click with a mouse. It ends there. Is it unfinished? Why release it then? Nothing has people running to a competition more like an unfinished product.
    08-23-2015 04:08 AM
  21. lordbendrix's Avatar
    The way they handled OneDrive was the biggest killer for me. I am now devoted to the system. There is not enough hard drive space on a surface pro, and the smart files were perfect. Now its a mess. I also find the browser cumbersome in comparison, the UI looks bad in tablet mode, and the battery life sucks. I honestly think Microsoft knows all of this and its why the Pro 4 still has no release date.
    Ian_Superfly likes this.
    08-23-2015 01:21 PM
  22. noobchief's Avatar
    Not much problem with me on my second SP3 ( The original one got a INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE error and MSFT replaced it), battery life is great, doesn't get warm during light usage. I generally do not use the modern internet explorer, so I think Windows 10 has been great so far. And about the tablet mode, I think it's okay, I just dont like the fact i can't access folders on my desktop conveniently.
    08-23-2015 01:34 PM
  23. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Man, I can only last a day or two on W10 in tablet mode. I'm open to new changes, as long as they improve from the old. I accepted XP, W95, W7, W8.x through the years without much complaining. It would only take a day or two to wrap my head around the changes and see that things were improved.

    W10 really improved W8.1 in the desktop environment, which I know was the biggest complaint among users. Which I understand completely. But I dove in paid $$$$ for a SP3 which really showed what W8.1 was capable of. Once I understood that you have to personalize the Start Screen things just "clicked" and life was good. I hate to admit it, but MS really did a good job with the touch interface. Looking back in hindsight, Sinofsky and his team REALLY did a damn good job. I'm positive they did extensive usability testing with focus groups to refine things. Granted, they really didn't much to educate people on how to get around (remember the power, sleep, logout fiasco), but MS really has a bad history of explaining changes, and features. Throughout the years they literally just through things out to everyone and let them figure it out themselves (they really need to change this shortcoming).

    W10 came around and I was really looking forward to it. Driving around with a track pad/mouse and keyboard, it's REALLY good. Then into tablet mode. OMFG, what a cluster. I pretty sure that MS didn't even test the tablet mode with any focus groups. It's as if they were in panic mode trying to appease the desktop users (rightfully so since W8.1 really didn't take for desktop users), but they completely forgot the tablet users (yes, we are in the minority), and just threw in what they could without thought.
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    08-23-2015 03:05 PM
  24. mapenn's Avatar
    I'm going to fall into that same group of SP3 users who can't stand Windows 10. It's a big step backwards for the tablet mode users. Most of the swipe gestures that we finally mastered are gone. Finding & opening apps is no longer intuitive. Battery life for me decreased by 50% (no exaggeration). Even the start menu layout on tablet mode is ruined. It's just a mess. I guess I was one of the few people who actually loved Windows 8.1 on both tablet and desktop - I thought it worked great and made sense. I certainly did not complain about "progress" back then :) . But, so far, v10 is a mess. I would not recommend upgrading for SP3 users yet.
    08-23-2015 11:29 PM
  25. HeadPack's Avatar
    I have had the exact same experience, and am on lookout for a Linux distro to dual boot with 8.1. One has to leave some Windows on the SP in order to get firmware updates. That nagging W10 button can be eliminated by uninstalling KB3035583 from installed updates, and by hiding it next time when you search updates. Has worked on all my 7 and 8.1 machines.
    Still regret the time I wasted on 10, but knowing first hand how useless it is at this point at least removed any doubt. Touch UX, OneDrive (smart files), OneNote, battery life and update frequency are better on 8.1.
    08-25-2015 01:20 PM
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