1. saintforlife's Avatar
    Here is a video review of the M3 model. Why is the reviewer saying he is disappointed with the read/write speeds of the M3 model at the 0:15 mark:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4EmpbCQ5cY


    Do the M3 models come with a different SSD or something?
    11-12-2015 03:32 AM
  2. GatsbyGlen's Avatar
    Yes, there are articles out there that show this. There are also reports that the i5/256 models either ship with a Samsung (slower) or Toshiba (faster) drive. It will be interesting to see what the i7s bring.
    11-12-2015 06:06 AM
  3. boltman2013's Avatar
    I heard the 128Gb SSDs are SATA whereas the 256Gb+ SSDs are PCIe
    NVMe-capable devices. The Samsung series use the PCI Express 3.0 x 4 interface connects to an M.2 slot

    SP4m3? = NVMe SAMSUNG MZFLV128

    The reviewer? User error
    The above poster heard wrong


    Next..back to loving my m3
    EOT
    Last edited by boltman2013; 11-12-2015 at 07:39 AM.
    11-12-2015 07:22 AM
  4. Devhux's Avatar
    Not so fast bolt!

    The Samsung PM951 is a slower SSD than the Toshiba ones that are sometimes found on 256GB and above units. Part of the issue is the use of TLC (Triple-Level Cell) NAND on the Samsung. There's a lot more discussion of this in the Surface Book forums :

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/sho...d.php?t=390898

    Here's the difference between the 128GB Samsung drive (from my previous Surface Book) and the 256GB Toshiba drive from my Surface Pro 4.
    Attached Thumbnails uploadfromtaptalk1447340510229.jpg   uploadfromtaptalk1447340518092.jpg  
    11-12-2015 09:04 AM
  5. boltman2013's Avatar
    Not so fast bolt!

    The Samsung PM951 is a slower SSD than the Toshiba ones that are sometimes found on 256GB and above units. Part of the issue is the use of TLC (Triple-Level Cell) NAND on the Samsung. There's a lot more discussion of this in the Surface Book forums :

    NVMe SSD very slow write speeds. - Windows Central Forums

    Here's the difference between the 128GB Samsung drive (from my previous Surface Book) and the 256GB Toshiba drive from my Surface Pro 4.
    I never said it was faster/same did I? I simply corrected the SATA nonsense rumor with fact.

    In general its well known by those "in the know"...the larger the SSD the better it performs.

    In reality who cares its a fast SSD regardless and people (users) get so enamored with stats ..use the thing and see if it lags

    A: It does not

    And I'll save $100-500 and not care about the stats. Seriously people get a life there are much bigger things in the world to worry about than the SSD in the M3..use it if it works great if not return it..simple (14 day return policy)

    People like MP3's correct... oh but 90% or the data is lost...yet where is the uproar?
    Are we all going to run out and by a $400 Neil Young "lossless" Pono player..of course not.

    Why? Because it does not make any difference. You don't need the best always and sometimes it DOES NOT MATTER.

    What does matter is the M3 is fanless, lighter and uses less energy AND costs less. Its perfect choice for the SP4 and people need to quit trying to pick it apart as it is the best choice and is an amazing device...be happy.
    Last edited by boltman2013; 11-12-2015 at 10:03 AM.
    11-12-2015 09:44 AM
  6. GatsbyGlen's Avatar
    Your god complex and input doesn't help around here. People are free to make whatever choice they like. What you think matters, your M3, is your opinion. Don't be **** and put people down because they aren't buying an M3.
    theefman, onlysublime and Devhux like this.
    11-12-2015 10:23 AM
  7. Devhux's Avatar
    Also, you said the reviewer = user error. Nope, he was right in saying the 128GB drive in his Core m3 Surface Pro 4 is slow. It's slow by even SATA SSD standards; let alone NVMe.

    Go ahead and be happy that the Core M3 model works well for you. That doesn't mean it'll work for everyone, and all you're doing at this point is trolling.
    11-12-2015 10:27 AM
  8. boltman2013's Avatar
    Your god complex and input doesn't help around here. People are free to make whatever choice they like. What you think matters, your M3, is your opinion. Don't be **** and put people down because they aren't buying an M3.
    I did not put anyone down for buying an i5/i7 , I did point out that that is not the wisest choice in a 12.3" tablet and it has a fan. Which no one can really argue against effectively.

    If someone feels put down well that is on them not me. I'm confident in my choice.
    11-12-2015 11:14 AM
  9. ioaniro's Avatar
    I did not put anyone down for buying an i5/i7 , I did point out that that is not the wisest choice in a 12.3" tablet and it has a fan. Which no one can really argue against effectively.

    If someone feels put down well that is on them not me. I'm confident in my choice.
    There's a very easy argument which everyone made already. If you want the SP4 as a tablet/light use you get the M3. If you want a tablet for real work you get the i5. If you have enough money to not care about the price you get the i7. For my usage (which for work relies mostly on connecting remotely to my work computer so mainly light use on the local machine) I would be more than happy with the M3 if it had a bigger SSD and more memory. Nobody can argue that in 2015 4Gb RAM and 128Gb SSD is not enough (even for casual use). And the fan is a non issue if it works like the SP2 I currently have, which I never hear. If the fan turns out like the i7 SP3 then I will return the i5 SP4 I ordered and wait for the M3 with larger SSD and RAM which will eventually come along as I doubt the guys at Microsoft are stupid not to market that.
    onlysublime likes this.
    11-12-2015 05:40 PM
  10. WildKarrde's Avatar
    My understanding is that the m3 model comes it the same SSD that my SP2 came with... and if that's the case I don't think you'll notice even if it is slower than the i5 SP4. I haven't noticed a difference.

    What I have noticed is that the USB 3.0 port is much faster on my SP4 than the port on my SP2.
    11-12-2015 05:45 PM
  11. surface-m3i5i7's Avatar
    Whether M3 or I5 , a 128GB SSD is slower than a 256 GB SSD in general. But probably fast enough :-)
    The poor Samsung write performance could be a driver problem. At least, this is described on other websites .
    11-14-2015 07:25 AM
  12. excalibur1814's Avatar
    Just in case Trusted Reviews has noted that a firmware update improves performance.
    11-14-2015 09:20 AM

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