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  1. onlysublime's Avatar
    why does boltman have to invade every thread and rah rah about the M3? most of the time it has nothing to do with the thread.

    When it comes to graphics and video such as with games, it's all about the driver. Now, Nvidia and AMD update their drivers on a monthly basis because of that. And their driver updates are to specifically target defects in gaming since gaming pushes PCs hard and pushes their drivers hard to the point of breaking the driver (seen through glitches, dropped frame rates, etc.). Unfortunately, Intel doesn't update drivers as frequently because their constituent is not as gaming heavy. Nvidia wouldn't exist without the gamers.

    Have any of you ever looked at the release notes for any given Nvidia graphics card? It's multiple pages and even includes a section of known open problems (meaning problems they know about but haven't addressed yet). Here's a sample from a recent Nvidia release driver update:

    As with every released driver, version 359.06 WHQL of the Release 358 driver has open issues and enhancement requests associated with
    it. This section includes lists of issues that are either not fixed or not implemented in this version.

    Windows 10 Issues
    Driver installation will fail if GeForce Experience is a selected component and the system is either in safe mode or without a network connection. [200151914]
    [Luxmark 3.0, Windows 10 TH2] Display driver stopped responding while running benchmark LuxBall HDR (Simple Bechmark:217K triangles). [200153736]
    [Titan Black SLI, Windows 10 TH2] When a game is launched with in-game settings
    preset set to Ultra, it crashes with the operating system warning Close the programs to prevent information loss. [200148046]
    NVIDIA recommends that this configuration be used with at least 12 GB of system memory.
    [347.09, GM204] Blank screen observed on an ASUS Tiled display when system resumes from shutdown or hibernation with Fast boot option enabled from BIOS. [1591053]

    Windows 8.1 Issues
    With a 3DTV connected and the resolution set to an HD3D resolution through the NVIDIA Control Panel, the display flickers constantly after installing the driver via INF over driver version 320.49. [1315116]
    [3DVision] While a stereoscopic 3D video with stereoscopic 3D enabled is played, the monitor refresh rate switches to 60 Hz after changing the resolution using the Windows control panel. [1314811]

    Windows 8 Issues
    [Optimus, Notebook] After installing the driver, the Device Manager includes an entry for the NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device but the entry has a yellow bang.
    Release 358 Graphics Drivers for Windows, Version 359.06 RN-W35906-01v01
    |
    13
    Open Issues in Version 359.06 WHQL
    The NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device is not needed nor used on Optimus notebooks, so there is no effect on your notebook function. To remove the yellow bang, reboot your notebook.
    With a 3DTV connected and the resolution set to an HD3D resolution through the NVIDIA Control Panel, the display flickers constantly after installing the driver via INF over driver version 320.49. [1315116]
    [Video, Notebook, Hulu Desktop] When attempting to play videos using Hulu Desktop, there is audio but no video. [1000017]
    [Video, Notebook, Internet Explorer, YouTube] The NVIDIA Control Panel video color settings have no effect on YouTube flash video playback within Internet Explorer 10. [999485]
    [SLI, GeForce 500 series, DirectX 11, Dragon Age II] Shadows flicker in the cutscene when SLI is enabled. [849235]

    Windows 7/Windows Vista Issues
    Driver installation will fail if GeForce Experience is a selected component and the system is either in safe mode or without a network connection. [200151914]
    [3DVision] While a stereoscopic 3D video with stereoscopic 3D enabled is played, the monitor refresh rate switches to 60 Hz after changing the resolution using the Windows control panel. [1314811]
    [GeForce 500 series, Need for Speed: The Run] During the race the sun flickers and there are bright blips and black patches. [909577]
    [SLI, Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor] With SLI enabled, there is heavy flickering in the game after switching from windowed mode to full-screen mode. [892264]
    NVS 4200M, Optimus, F1 2011] The game hangs while selecting Quit To Main Menu during gameplay. [879537]
    [SLI, GeForce 500 series, DirectX 11, Dragon Age II] Shadows flicker in the cutscene when SLI is enabled. [849235]
    [GeForce 400 series, Total War: Shogun 2] The sun and surrounding area within the game flicker. [807036]
    Skylake is new which means the drivers for the motherboard chipset, the CPU and the GPU are not mature yet. People are going to have to go through the growing pains as Intel updates their drivers. It's the reason why the display driver was crashing in doing things as simple as watching a video.
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    12-12-2015 08:48 PM
  2. zkyevolved's Avatar
    "I go often to places where there is no cloud and 128 gigs of storage combined with the largest possible SD card is below my minimum need for storage. "

    What are you storing locally that takes up more than msssd + sd card say 256GB? Seriously. If you say movies/music I'm going to have zero respect for you and your common sense abilities and storage experience. If its work what files are taking up 256GB? Why cannot you not "suffice" with 128?
    Actually, I think 128 is a little too strict for my taste. I had the 128GB SP2 and I bought 2 128 SP4. If I can scrounge up the cash, I'm going for the 256 model. The reason for this is I use my SP4 as a full PC. I use BTSync to sync over files. Now, with only 128, I use "selective mode" where it brings over place markers and when I double click (or right click -> sync to this device) I get that file or folder, which is OK! But if I synced 100% of my documents folder and 100% of my pictures folder and 100% of my dropbox folder (I'm still missing my huge OneDrive folder), then we're talking about A LOT of space. Here are some screenshots.
    done.png

    Thankfully apps like BTSync exists, coupled with my server at home, I basically have EVERY file I want while connected to the internet at work. the 128GB + 64gb SD card works fine for me, but would I like to have to sync everything in advance or needing an internet connection? No! Of course not! If I could afford the 256 or 512 gb model, I would xD haha.

    I actually returned my SP4s because they were giving me so many problems that the last Surface tech told me "How attached are you to your data? We're going to need to format" and this would be the 5th time in 3 weeks over 2 SP4s (and each time takes over 3 hours! There some hardware issue since my SP2 formats in 30 minutes, and so does my slower desktop). I have formatted my SP2 1 time in the 2 years I've owned it. I'm returning the Sp4 and waiting until bugs get fixed. Maybe I'll give another device a try, like the Dell Inspiron 2-in-1. I know, it's not the same, but have any of you tried it? I'll probably pick up another SP4. haha. I love the design and weight of it. It's just too damn buggy, slow SSD, light bleed, micro lags, sleep issues. I know the last few will be fixed, but the first ones are hardware issues... So, I'll try my luck again in a few weeks after newer batches are out! I had 2 from the same 1545 batch, both had A LOT of issues.

    Anyways, I would get the 256 or 512 model, the i7 is very powerful and comes with a better GPU. That alone makes it worth it if you can spend it. Now, how much more worth it is it over the i5/ Hmm.... There in lies the question.
    12-13-2015 01:25 AM
  3. Geodude074's Avatar
    Just got the I7 middle because I thought the iris graphics would be good for a bit or light gaming ever now and then and it does really well in gems for like the first 30 seconds then it throttles so hard is it even worth keeping the i7 version or taking it back and exchanging it for the i5 version which seems to not throttle so much.

    What's the point in paying extra for the i7 performance when you can't use it anyway.
    If you wanted to do light gaming, you should have bought the Surface Book with the dGPU.
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    12-14-2015 12:01 AM
  4. Blairpoll's Avatar
    I wanted a tablet first not a laptop and besides my pro 2 plays all the games I want just a bit annoyed that the i7 could do so much more if it didn't throttle that's all.
    12-14-2015 03:51 AM
  5. boltman2013's Avatar
    If you wanted to do light gaming, you should have bought the Surface Book with the dGPU.
    Exactly. True that.
    12-14-2015 10:05 AM
  6. CrownedMartyr's Avatar
    That's unfortunate to hear. I was hoping this new cooling system would alleviate throttling issues.

    Like others have said, if you're interested in playing games (other than what you can find in the Windows Store), then you should probably look for something other than the Surface. Like you, I wanted something really portable that could also do some light gaming. So I decided to go with the i5 SP4 and with the money I saved grabbed an Xbox One and I'll just stream the games to my Surface. Yes, this limits you to playing within your home, so YMMV. Just food for thought.

    Also, don't listen to Boltman. He has so much free time to write all these long-winded posts worshipping the m3 that I'm convinced the only reason he bought that model was because he doesn't have a job and that was the only one he could afford.
    12-14-2015 10:26 AM
  7. xandros9's Avatar
    If you wanted to do light gaming, you should have bought the Surface Book with the dGPU.
    TBH, the integrated graphics of the Surface Pro and other ultrabooks will suffice for light gaming, but for fancier stuff, I might look to other less expensive devices than the Book, although it is attractive.
    12-14-2015 10:31 AM
  8. boltman2013's Avatar
    That's unfortunate to hear. I was hoping this new cooling system would alleviate throttling issues.

    Like others have said, if you're interested in playing games (other than what you can find in the Windows Store), then you should probably look for something other than the Surface. Like you, I wanted something really portable that could also do some light gaming. So I decided to go with the i5 SP4 and with the money I saved grabbed an Xbox One and I'll just stream the games to my Surface. Yes, this limits you to playing within your home, so YMMV. Just food for thought.

    Also, don't listen to Boltman. He has so much free time to write all these long-winded posts worshipping the m3 that I'm convinced the only reason he bought that model was because he doesn't have a job and that was the only one he could afford.
    Um no. But you can think that if you want.

    The M3 is perfect cpu for the Surface Pro (I paid $809 after discount) ...no matter what metric you slice it with. I don't overspend (especially on tech) one reason I have a lot in stocks, equity, cars paid off, ocean view home in San Diego under 7 years to payoff... I do not overspend and get what I need at the time. Another example my TV is a Sharp Aquos .... its good enough. Paid $350...great PQ and sound..in a sea of north of $1000 sets.

    But hey if you want to throw $1500+ towards a SP4 be my guest. Some people do what others do not, and it works. Those people are the smart ones..the mass group think ones are not as smart.
    Last edited by boltman2013; 12-14-2015 at 10:59 AM.
    12-14-2015 10:47 AM
  9. Grimmric's Avatar
    Um no. But you can think that if you want.

    The M3 is perfect cpu for the Surface Pro (I paid $809 after discount) ...no matter what metric you slice it with. I don't overspend (especially on tech) one reason I have a lot in stocks, equity, cars paid off, ocean view home in San Diego under 7 years to payoff... I do not overspend and get what I need at the time. Another example my TV is a Sharp Aquos .... its good enough. Paid $350...great PQ and sound..in a sea of north of $1000 sets.

    But hey if you want to throw $1500+ towards a SP4 be my guest. Some people do what others do not, and it works. Those people are the smart ones..the mass group think ones are not as smart.
    So if i understand it right.
    If you buy a M3 then you are smart?
    If you buy a i5/i7 then you are not smart?
    It doesn't matter what you are gonna use it for?
    Buy a m3 or no SP4 at all?
    I dont agree with that logic, if its ok with you.
    Only i know what i want to use it for and only i know how much money i think its worth.
    For me i think people are stupid to buy a m3 as its not enough.
    If i follow yor logic everybody should use it like i'm gonna use it.
    12-14-2015 03:20 PM
  10. onlysublime's Avatar
    I wanted a tablet first not a laptop and besides my pro 2 plays all the games I want just a bit annoyed that the i7 could do so much more if it didn't throttle that's all.
    So are you getting problems running at 1080P and below? Remember that modern desktop GPUs come with 1GB to 8GB of dedicated video RAM. Iris does not have any dedicated RAM. They use system RAM and the small 64 MB EDRAM as a buffer/cache. RAM usage is very resolution dependent. This is why the Xbox One with 32 MB ESRAM has a more difficult time achieving 1080p gaming because the developer has to be very smart about how they manage assets within that 32 MB and how to transfer data from system RAM to ESRAM. 64 MB EDRAM is better but transferring data between system RAM and EDRAM can result in significant frame rate loss if the software or the driver is not designed to handle the implementation.
    12-14-2015 03:43 PM
  11. boltman2013's Avatar
    So if i understand it right.
    If you buy a M3 then you are smart?
    If you buy a i5/i7 then you are not smart?
    It doesn't matter what you are gonna use it for?
    Buy a m3 or no SP4 at all?
    I dont agree with that logic, if its ok with you.
    Only i know what i want to use it for and only i know how much money i think its worth.
    For me i think people are stupid to buy a m3 as its not enough.
    If i follow yor logic everybody should use it like i'm gonna use it.
    Basically yea.

    M3 the smart buy on SP4
    That makes i5/i7 buyers not as smart since another product would have been a better choice like surface book
    Yes
    OK
    OK
    OK
    Yep..and it'll work for 99%
    12-14-2015 07:24 PM
  12. Grimmric's Avatar
    Basically yea.

    M3 the smart buy on SP4
    That makes i5/i7 buyers not as smart since another product would have been a better choice like surface book
    Yes
    OK
    OK
    OK
    Yep..and it'll work for 99%
    So which one should i have bought instead of my i5?
    12-15-2015 12:58 AM
  13. ioaniro's Avatar
    I'm guessing the thread derailed . By this logic buying a keyboard for the SP4 is not smart, you can do anything you want with the touch keyboard and the pen no?
    Anyway, slightly back on topic, heavy gaming use is not really thought for a tablet, or at least don't expect it to perform on high settings. For intensive work the i5 (and I am assuming the i7 too) works very well, never saw it slowing down or over heating. But then again I am one of those weird people that uses data that takes up around 150gb of the SDD and requires a lot of RAM, I hear we're called working people .
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    12-15-2015 01:50 AM
  14. onlysublime's Avatar
    bolt derails every thread... what's new?
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    12-15-2015 04:33 AM
  15. boltman2013's Avatar
    So which one should i have bought instead of my i5?
    M3 unless you are in the 1% and like to overspend or have "the best"
    12-15-2015 08:04 AM
  16. Poirots Progeny's Avatar
    M3 unless you are in the 1% and like to overspend or have "the best"
    How does being in the 1% equate to looking to overspend? Stone people can afford things. What's the issue with that?
    12-15-2015 08:06 AM
  17. Grimmric's Avatar
    M3 unless you are in the 1% and like to overspend or have "the best"
    You know that the m3 is not enough to handle what i want to use it for.
    So its better if you give me an correct answer as you know how i will use it.
    12-15-2015 08:14 AM
  18. boltman2013's Avatar
    You know that the m3 is not enough to handle what i want to use it for.
    So its better if you give me an correct answer as you know how i will use it.
    Another computer choice like Surface Book or another OEM option then..face it you are trying to put a square peg in round hole.
    12-15-2015 08:15 AM
  19. boltman2013's Avatar
    How does being in the 1% equate to looking to overspend? Stone people can afford things. What's the issue with that?
    See Apple for guidance
    12-15-2015 08:15 AM
  20. Grimmric's Avatar
    Another computer choice like Surface Book or another OEM option then..face it you are trying to put a square peg in round hole.
    So i guess i only had 2 options.
    Bying a SP4 with a i5 that fits my needs or buy a laptop, a tablet and a wacom.
    I might be an ***** going for option one, but it saves space when traveling. And it saved me alot of money in the end.
    I guess you would pick option two instead.
    12-15-2015 08:25 AM
  21. boltman2013's Avatar
    So i guess i only had 2 options.
    Bying a SP4 with a i5 that fits my needs or buy a laptop, a tablet and a wacom.
    I might be an ***** going for option one, but it saves space when traveling. And it saved me alot of money in the end.
    I guess you would pick option two instead.
    Probably would buy a Surface Book in that situation..why would you go to three devices? Not understanding the rational there.

    Listen I am just giving advice for those who read this thread to focus on the M3 in SP4...IF you need more luckily there is the Surface Book this year and and absolutely great OEM Windows 10 solutions.

    Note last year my choice was SP3i5 4GB similar deal. Bang for buck.

    The issue I have with SP4 i5/i7 is the cost factor for basically a tablet (No type keyboard included) . Your entry point with 8GB is $1500...

    Now let me ask you do you want Microsoft to emulate fully Apple's abusive margin model?

    IF you think logically spending $1300-3000 in a SP4 is insane as it does not even have a type keyboard at another $140.

    I get the "I have money" "I'll do what I want" "If I'm going to spend get the max out spec" fine..but most people who say that skimp on other parts of their life they should be financing..unless ultra rich. Do most of you actually know what is needed to retire today and be in good shape? Millions in the bank. How many have that....???

    How do you get there? By not overspending on everything (especially tech) and getting what you need not what you want all the time just because the spec sheet says so. My M3 is $809 (with 10% discount) that is at least $600 less than the cheapest demo i5 that has a fan... worse 3d graphics... uses more energy and weighs more.... for maybe 15% once in a blue moon oomph. You get EVERYTHING else for $809.

    So again I will call out both overpricing and not making the correct component choices for this form factor.
    Last thing I or most of you want is Microsoft to become Apple , how do we get that by not spending like Apple fools who buy Apple products like $1000 iPhone6sPlus and $649-$17000 watch or $1300 One-port Core M Mac(net)book or $1000 ipad "pro" or $25000 Haswell Mac with 5400rmp hdd

    Its a slippery slope.

    Think for once about what you need and what the correct purchase is. Lets not fall into the Apple trap ok? Spread the love around to the OEMs they are trying too. Send a message to Microsoft loud and clear. Love the surface and expand M# options and RAM... keep prices non-apple.
    Last edited by boltman2013; 12-15-2015 at 11:07 AM.
    12-15-2015 09:36 AM
  22. ioaniro's Avatar
    Well technically the difference between M3 and the i5 most people are getting is 400 not 600. And all you are saying is buy something lower price to send a message even if you can't use it for what you would like to use it. How is that smart? Besides, the profit margin on the m3 is probably in line with the profit margin on the i5, all these devices are overpriced. In fact, in my opinion, the M3 should find its way into the Surface line (not the pro) and then it will be an amazing device.

    In this particular thread the OP was asking about gaming and I do not recall any of your answers sticking to that topic. And I also think you are naive to think that all the components of the M3 are made specifically made for the M3 and thus the M3 has less problems. If anything the M3 has less reported problems because very few people bought it and very few people push it to its limits.

    Other than that I was one of the first to say that a fan-less M3 with 8Gb of ram and 256 SSD would probably be my ideal device. But most people that bought the i5 bought it because it makes sense for their work, you are not the only one that has seen the light. If I read this correctly you are retired so you could probably accept the fact that for your light use the M3 is good enough while for us is not.
    Lastly, I don't think we signed up for an apple-hater forum, while everyone knows they are overpriced they used to be also very reliable devices. The only macbook I had from work was with me for 6 years and was working beautifully even after all that time. Overpriced, probably (I didn't pay for it so no idea how much it was) but at the time buying the same quality in a PC would have required a lot of research. Compared to that the SP4 doesn't fair that well as it launches with problems from the start and has (even for the M3) a similar price point.
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    12-15-2015 10:13 AM
  23. MikeJer's Avatar
    I love the idea of the m3 and it was my first choice for the SP4. So I picked one up. Right away I LOVED that it was fanless -- definitely its best feature. I loathe noisy fans on computers.

    Unfortunately, for my use case, it simply wasn't quite there yet. Here are the primary limitations of the m3 that led me to instead go with the Core i7:
    - No 8GB or 16GB RAM option. I'm simply baffled as to why Microsoft won't offer these configuration options. I think this is easily the biggest reason why the m3 option doesn't work for me.
    - No 256GB or 512GB SSD options. I could probably make do with 128GB + mSD storage if I had to, but 256GB is a lot roomier space-wise for my needs.

    One common use case of mine, to which the m3 in its only configuration cannot handle, is being docked to a 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor while doing the following at the same time:
    - Skyping on the Surface screen
    - Having Google Maps (or, say Zillow) loaded on the ultrawide monitor

    This will slow the m3 down to a crawl. Just having more than a few Chrome tabs open on the docked monitor while Skyping is an unbearably stuttery and slow experience. Switching between tabs takes 2-3 seconds each -- it's awful. I think 8GB of RAM would really help this device in these kinds of situations, but alas it's not to be this generation. :(

    A Surface Pro 5 with a next gen Core M chip, 8+GB RAM, and 256+GB SSD will likely be my ideal device. Until that comes out though, the Core i7 will fit my needs the best -- I'm using it as my desktop (with dock), couch tablet, and my primary note-taking device for reviews. The Surface Book was never an option for me: I hate the laptop form factor and the tablet portion doesn't have a kickstand, so SP4 is it. The i7 fan kicks in more often than I'd like (always when Skyping), but when it's not being taxed much (i.e. no Skype, no gaming, little-to-no multi-tasking) it stays completely silent. Being able to browse the web -- what I spend most of my time doing anyway -- silently is still a huge improvement over my prior desktop.
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    12-15-2015 10:44 AM
  24. boltman2013's Avatar
    Well technically the difference between M3 and the i5 most people are getting is 400 not 600. And all you are saying is buy something lower price to send a message even if you can't use it for what you would like to use it. How is that smart? Besides, the profit margin on the m3 is probably in line with the profit margin on the i5, all these devices are overpriced. In fact, in my opinion, the M3 should find its way into the Surface line (not the pro) and then it will be an amazing device.

    In this particular thread the OP was asking about gaming and I do not recall any of your answers sticking to that topic. And I also think you are naive to think that all the components of the M3 are made specifically made for the M3 and thus the M3 has less problems. If anything the M3 has less reported problems because very few people bought it and very few people push it to its limits.

    Other than that I was one of the first to say that a fan-less M3 with 8Gb of ram and 256 SSD would probably be my ideal device. But most people that bought the i5 bought it because it makes sense for their work, you are not the only one that has seen the light. If I read this correctly you are retired so you could probably accept the fact that for your light use the M3 is good enough while for us is not.
    Lastly, I don't think we signed up for an apple-hater forum, while everyone knows they are overpriced they used to be also very reliable devices. The only macbook I had from work was with me for 6 years and was working beautifully even after all that time. Overpriced, probably (I didn't pay for it so no idea how much it was) but at the time buying the same quality in a PC would have required a lot of research. Compared to that the SP4 doesn't fair that well as it launches with problems from the start and has (even for the M3) a similar price point.
    The Surface Pro i7 is not the ideal gaming device. I suggested look elsewhere primarily and if its a choice of ONLY SP4 then go i7.

    Thanks for the correction its is $400 difference to upgrade to i5 and add 4GB of RAM and a fan..still $1300
    I an not naive to think that each surface pro model goes through its own design changes, may use the same components but each also has unique components and design choices.

    You can slice it any way you want but it really does boil down to what is the correct choice.

    There are very few situations where I can see the SP4 at $1399 beats a Surface Book at $1699 seeing as you must add a type keyboard to equal a fair comparison and match all other specs.

    So now we are talking roughly $150* to go from SP4 to SB with same specs i5/8GB/256 "apples to apples"

    * Better battery 12 vs 9 25% improvement
    * Bigger screen
    * Better Keyboard
    * Extra USB3 port
    * 3000 x 2000 w/ upgraded onboard gpu

    Also dGPU options for heavier gaming.

    Now you tell me why people would choose the SP4 at that price range over the Surface Book when you get "all that" for $150 ?

    So I am not derailing the conversation...just pointing out what matters in the grand scheme of things and not choosing a SP4 is a valid option. Should the OP go for the i7 and is it "worth it" ? A: SP4..probably not even though the i7 SP4 is way better than the i7 SP3 which was gimped.
    Last edited by boltman2013; 12-15-2015 at 11:13 AM.
    12-15-2015 11:00 AM
  25. boltman2013's Avatar
    I love the idea of the m3 and it was my first choice for the SP4. So I picked one up. Right away I LOVED that it was fanless -- definitely its best feature. I loathe noisy fans on computers.

    Unfortunately, for my use case, it simply wasn't quite there yet. Here are the primary limitations of the m3 that led me to instead go with the Core i7:
    - No 8GB or 16GB RAM option. I'm simply baffled as to why Microsoft won't offer these configuration options. I think this is easily the biggest reason why the m3 option doesn't work for me.
    - No 256GB or 512GB SSD options. I could probably make do with 128GB + mSD storage if I had to, but 256GB is a lot roomier space-wise for my needs.

    One common use case of mine, to which the m3 in its only configuration cannot handle, is being docked to a 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor while doing the following at the same time:
    - Skyping on the Surface screen
    - Having Google Maps (or, say Zillow) loaded on the ultrawide monitor

    This will slow the m3 down to a crawl. Just having more than a few Chrome tabs open on the docked monitor while Skyping is an unbearably stuttery and slow experience. Switching between tabs takes 2-3 seconds each -- it's awful. I think 8GB of RAM would really help this device in these kinds of situations, but alas it's not to be this generation. :(

    A Surface Pro 5 with a next gen Core M chip, 8+GB RAM, and 256+GB SSD will likely be my ideal device. Until that comes out though, the Core i7 will fit my needs the best -- I'm using it as my desktop (with dock), couch tablet, and my primary note-taking device for reviews. The Surface Book was never an option for me: I hate the laptop form factor and the tablet portion doesn't have a kickstand, so SP4 is it. The i7 fan kicks in more often than I'd like (always when Skyping), but when it's not being taxed much (i.e. no Skype, no gaming, little-to-no multi-tasking) it stays completely silent. Being able to browse the web -- what I spend most of my time doing anyway -- silently is still a huge improvement over my prior desktop.
    A reasoned response..thank you
    A specific case like I said he's in the 1% docked to a 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor

    Cost for i7 and dock... way more
    12-15-2015 11:09 AM
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