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  1. Steveborough's Avatar
    https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/micr...to-surfacegate

    Paul Thurrott is a prominent Microsoft blogger so hopefully this lights a fire under Microsoft's butt!
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    01-22-2016 01:12 PM
  2. onlysublime's Avatar
    Thurrott is a blowhard. I'm surprised people still listen to him.
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    01-23-2016 04:02 AM
  3. boltman2013's Avatar
    Paul is a whiner with a failed blog
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    01-23-2016 09:16 AM
  4. rdubmu's Avatar
    He might be a blowheart but he is still a prominent blogger. Many people still read his blog, and at least IMHO its better than WC.
    01-23-2016 09:35 AM
  5. boltman2013's Avatar
    He might be a blowheart but he is still a prominent blogger. Many people still read his blog, and at least IMHO its better than WC.
    Paut Thurrot is not a good windows blogger ... he is so negative and needs to rip Apple and not let Leo do his Apple rah rah stuff
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    01-23-2016 11:11 AM
  6. Steveborough's Avatar
    Blowhard maybe but his point in his post is valid...Microsoft is messing up big time. The countless hours we and many surface owners worldwide have spent troubleshooting systemic issues cannot be reconciled. Go public, tell people what is currently broken, what will be fixed and when.

    I returned my personal SP4 (permanently) because it was a mess, sticking with my SP2 which out-performs it in every way except form factor and will start evaluating a new device shortly. As an IT Director for a large healthcare co, we just cancelled a major order to update our mobile users to SP4s...it's simply not ready. Furthermore, without clear and open communication from Microsoft, I cannot bestow that pain on my users or my support team.

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    Last edited by Steveborough; 01-23-2016 at 12:14 PM.
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    01-23-2016 11:58 AM
  7. Paisley Pirate's Avatar
    I don't own a SP, but my boss has a company owned one - and he's had several of these issues with it.

    Yes, the author is on the right track - MSFT needs to say - hey this is a thing... I won't go so far as to say they've ignored it - because it's out there - but they aren't handling it correctly, that's for certain.
    01-23-2016 01:00 PM
  8. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I would agree that there some issues with the Surface 3, Surface Pro's 3 and 4, but they are still the standard for 2-in-1's so I don't quite get the notion that MSFT is messing up big time. I turned in my initial Surface 3 and got another one, and for the most part have had minor issues, but it's still head and toes better then any tablet I've owned. It's why so many have such a high anticipation for the "Surface phone."
    01-23-2016 02:17 PM
  9. rmeigs's Avatar
    Thurrott is a blowhard. I'm surprised people still listen to him.
    So true. I stopped listening him last year. Got sick of his ill-informed positions.
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    01-23-2016 08:09 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Paul is a whiner with a failed blog
    Well you should the right thing and drop him a line to show him how you run your own highly successful blog.
    01-23-2016 08:53 PM
  11. onlysublime's Avatar
    The big problem I have is he throws out these outlandish blustery blogs and then when it turns out he's wrong, it just gets ignored or swept under the rug.

    Like he had a rant about how awful the Microsoft Wireless Adapter was and how there were much better options out there, even pointing out an option that turned out to be completely wrong. He mentioned the Amazon Fire Stick as a much better alternative without even knowing that the Amazon Fire Stick was fundamentally broken in its Miracast support on Windows machines. It wouldn't even recognize a Windows machine. It took multiple firmware revisions before the device was usable as a Miracast receiver for Windows machines. Months later, he writes a much smaller blog about Miracast devices and writes a small section stating that the Microsoft Wireless Adapter was currently the best available Miracast device and copied and pasted all the arguments that people had given to him via comments defending the need and use for the Wireless Adapter.

    He just likes to rant because its his personality type and gets him views. He's made multiple rants against the Xbox One that were entirely ill-informed or even blatantly wrong. If you don't know the subject material, you shouldn't be ranting with such veracity.

    I listed to Windows Weekly once the podcast is up. Mostly for Mary Jo Foley. And when Thurrott says something blatantly wrong, I just want to wring his neck. I wish I had the time to listen to the show live so I could directly point out all his mistakes but most of us live in the real world where we work. Unfortunately, I can't respond and even post links to articles and sources to correct him on the spot. And he won't listen after the fact.
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    01-24-2016 01:17 AM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    I agree with OnlySublime.

    For me, Paul, like so many others has a point about Microsoft's failures. I generally agree with Paul except when you use the behavior in another platform to chastise the one you brought to the dance. I would much rather Paul rake Microsoft over the coals directly if he's got some bone to pick than do it from the front steps @ Cupertino. Its airing of ones "dirty laundry" that Paul in his latter years seems to be doing a lot lately. I guess he's feeling left out of the Microsoft news chain in the last few years. I have a feeling I know why.
    01-24-2016 09:57 AM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I agree with OnlySublime.

    For me, Paul, like so many others has a point about Microsoft's failures. I generally agree with Paul except when you use the behavior in another platform to chastise the one you brought to the dance. I would much rather Paul rake Microsoft over the coals directly if he's got some bone to pick than do it from the front steps @ Cupertino. Its airing of ones "dirty laundry" that Paul in his latter years seems to be doing a lot lately. I guess he's feeling left out of the Microsoft news chain in the last few years. I have a feeling I know why.

    This is typical of the blogosphere or the press in general. Look at guys like Bill Simmons or Colin Cowherd. I don't care for either of them because they flip flop more than pancakes but they're wildly popular for some un-Godly reason. Stephen A. is the definition of a mindless windbag but he's on multiple shows. I'd call these guys successful.
    01-24-2016 10:13 AM
  14. boltman2013's Avatar
    Perhaps I will. At least I get Microsoft is set for the next four to five decades with their move from on ground products to the cloud. But alas I prefer to hit more with this truth in blogs like these.

    Paul Thurrott seems to make negative press for that sake. No one is saying #SurfaceGate but him we all know that firmware and software will "fix" SP4/SB and for know turning the thing off and on is the mitigation.

    Instead of touting the positives he concentrates solely on the perceived negatives. If you own a SP4 or SB you are happy not unhappy like he pretends...He is a failed Window blogger and cowtows to Leo on TWIT..its embarrassing that he is the "front man"
    01-24-2016 10:34 AM
  15. Steveborough's Avatar
    I'm in the market for 150 to 200 portable devices for our staff, many of which are doctors and nurses who require powerful portable devices for medical scans and other proprietary software that can last almost a full work day. I thought the SP4 was that, since it is billed as such. The current workarounds (hibernate, cpu limiting, disable hello, etc...) can be GPOd for easy deployment but to me, defeat the point in buying a premium device and cripple the cost/benefit. Scenarios like this are "real world" and you would be foolish to ignore the fact that Microsoft is missing out on these real world sales due to their silence and overall terrible support of their flagship devices.

    Let's get back to the point of this thread, the secret is being shouted; as it stands today, SP4/SB is not ready for prime time. Please keep in mind I consider the recent crop of Surface devices to be 4th generation, which is why I'm even considering it (was)

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    01-24-2016 11:40 AM
  16. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Regardless of favorite tech company, people will always claim that bloggers who are critical are nothing but hacks.

    Anyone who is experiencing the issues that Thurrott is reporting will be grateful for him bringing the issue to the public. Anyone who is not experiencing the issues will think he's exaggerating or trolling.

    Bottom line: If you're experiencing problems and not getting any solutions, return the device if you can, take it up with Microsoft. Sitting and waiting in the hope that a solution will be forthcoming is not a recommended course of action.
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    01-24-2016 03:13 PM
  17. Jazmac's Avatar
    This is typical of the blogosphere or the press in general. Look at guys like Bill Simmons or Colin Cowherd. I don't care for either of them because they flip flop more than pancakes but they're wildly popular for some un-Godly reason. Stephen A. is the definition of a mindless windbag but he's on multiple shows. I'd call these guys successful.
    True. Especially in light of the fact that they exist due to mouse clicks. If they can't get clicks, they don't eat. So if trashing Microsoft gets the next meal, none are immune to selling out. Its happening now with Apple. Lawsuit here, mistake there, Apple might be overtaken by alphabet company...and on and on. Bloggers are bought and sold by the highest bidder (or the mouse click). This is the industry we have to live with. As CK Louis said back in 2013, "everything is amazing, nobody is happy." That can't be more true on this platform.
    01-24-2016 03:38 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm in the market for 150 to 200 portable devices for our staff, many of which are doctors and nurses who require powerful portable devices for medical scans and other proprietary software that can last almost a full work day. I thought the SP4 was that, since it is billed as such. The current workarounds (hibernate, cpu limiting, disable hello, etc...) can be GPOd for easy deployment but to me, defeat the point in buying a premium device and cripple the cost/benefit. Scenarios like this are "real world" and you would be foolish to ignore the fact that Microsoft is missing out on these real world sales due to their silence and overall terrible support of their flagship devices.

    Let's get back to the point of this thread, the secret is being shouted; as it stands today, SP4/SB is not ready for prime time. Please keep in mind I consider the recent crop of Surface devices to be 4th generation, which is why I'm even considering it (was)

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    You're looking at a premium, consumer-centric device when you have a specific set of tasks you need done. There are niche makers like Motion Computing that cater to the healthcare field. The SP4 may be the best Microsoft has to offer, but it doesn't possess the skill set you need. A 5-series BMW may have incredible performance, comfort and good fuel economy, but you need it to tow a boat.
    01-24-2016 08:43 PM
  19. Steveborough's Avatar
    Power, portability and longevity are not niche.

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    01-25-2016 11:09 AM
  20. Davidz's Avatar
    I'm in the market for 150 to 200 portable devices for our staff, many of which are doctors and nurses who require powerful portable devices for medical scans and other proprietary software that can last almost a full work day...
    I, too, would be hesitant to deploy a boatload of SP4s in that environment. Not only are you staking your professional reputation on these devices, you are going to have to provide support to them as well.

    I would be cautious to use it as my daily driver. Fortunately for me, my SP4 is not mission critical. It's primarily for travel (about 15 to 20 days a year) and for playing around the house.

    The SP4 is in a class all by itself. In fact, it defines a new class. I suspect that every hardware company will offer SP4 clones in the near future and they will become cheaper and much more reliable.

    But, as you said it's not ready for prime time. In the meantime, the thing you find so frustrating is that it *IS* such a cool device. You want your user group to have it and enjoy it as you do.
    01-25-2016 07:30 PM
  21. onlysublime's Avatar
    Wait a second. I'm a medical doctor. I don't need an uber powerful machine to do my daily work. I'm not reading film on my machines. In fact, at our practice we still have old Dell Latitudes on rolling carts. We used to have ancient Tablet PCs with Windows 7 which weren't very good for our work. As long as I have a good lightweight machine that allows me to easily write SOAP notes or progress notes and access the EMR/EHR, I'm good to go.

    I would love for SP4 to be implemented throughout the facility.

    Let's not confuse what is "mission critical." We are not using these computers to operate on people. Most of it is writing or typing. And in terms of reading film, you're going to use really nice monitors, not laptop screens. But even then, we've used far worse screens than the SP4 for looking at scans.
    01-25-2016 09:14 PM
  22. Davidz's Avatar
    Wait a second. I'm a medical doctor. I don't need an uber powerful machine to do my daily work. I'm not reading film on my machines. In fact, at our practice we still have old Dell Latitudes on rolling carts. We used to have ancient Tablet PCs with Windows 7 which weren't very good for our work. As long as I have a good lightweight machine that allows me to easily write SOAP notes or progress notes and access the EMR/EHR, I'm good to go.

    I would love for SP4 to be implemented throughout the facility.

    Let's not confuse what is "mission critical." We are not using these computers to operate on people. Most of it is writing or typing. And in terms of reading film, you're going to use really nice monitors, not laptop screens. But even then, we've used far worse screens than the SP4 for looking at scans.
    If I were an IT manager, I would be very hesitant to deploy 150 to 200 Surface Pro 4s in any work environment. Mission critical, in this sense, just means that the device is required to do your job. If it's your daily driver, in any job, I would consider that mission critical. When the user gets a black screen for no good reason who do you think they're going to call? And how happy are they going be when they make that call? Repeatedly?

    I bought the SP4 despite its reputation for poor reliability. I use it when I travel (15 to 20 days a year) and playing around at home. I think it's so cool that I'm willing to take the risk of it failing during an out-of-town trip. I could probably survive that. But if I had to rely on it on a daily basis for my work, I probably would pass on it until something more reliable comes along.
    01-26-2016 04:54 PM
  23. dirtyvu's Avatar
    Let's not exaggerate. The sp4 is not unreliable. It will not suddenly die on you. I use it as my daily driver. The only fault is battery life but it's been getting better.
    01-26-2016 05:23 PM
  24. Davidz's Avatar
    Let's not exaggerate. The sp4 is not unreliable.
    Microsoft wouldn't have made a public apology for the product, if it was reliable.

    It will not suddenly die on you.
    One already died on me. And many others can tell you their sad stories as well. Don't you read this forum?

    I use it as my daily driver. The only fault is battery life but it's been getting better.
    Well, perhaps you don't read this forum, because, if you did, you wouldn't have made that last statement.
    01-26-2016 06:49 PM
  25. JaimitoFrog's Avatar
    the fact it didnt affect the Broncos, tell you the Redmond team did it on purpose. lol.

    bedsides, everyone think they are using ipads anyway.
    01-26-2016 08:15 PM
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