N-triq over Wacom kills the Pro 3 for me.

[Reflexx]

Yeah, the debate is over. N-Trig wins.

From what has been revealed so far though, it does appear that N-trig does have a winner here.

Not sure about the "debate" though. At least from my perspective, the debate was about being skeptical and wary until there was actual feedback from real artists. I still believe that is the best thing to do for any professional.

​The only difference between then and now is that we do actually have feedback from well-known artists.

 

[a5cent]

Not sure about the "debate" though. At least from my perspective, the debate was about being skeptical and wary until there was actual feedback from real artists. I still believe that is the best thing to do for any professional.

Allow me to disagree. :wink:

What you described was your personal position in this debate, which I think was always solid and uncontroversial. What this debate was mostly about, was whether it is fair to rip a pen based on a single technical spec and a brand name, without having had any actual experience with the device. I still have no opinion on the pen itself, but based on how opinions are turning, it seems that single technical spec may not have been quite as important as many professional artists suspected.

 

[Reflexx]

Allow me to disagree. :wink:

What you described was your personal position in this debate, which I think was always solid and uncontroversial. What this debate was mostly about, was whether it is fair to rip a pen based on a single technical spec and a brand name, without having had any actual experience with the device. I still have no opinion on the pen itself, but based on how opinions are turning, it seems that single technical spec may not have been quite as important as many professional artists suspected.

Well, I will say that most artists that I've seen have a similar position to mine.

But there are a few, like with anything, that were kind of extreme. And unfortunately, they often scream the loudest.

I think they were shocked by what was kind of like a double whammy.

First...
"No Wacom? It's N-trig? The last time I used N-trig it was horrible!"

Second...
"And the pressure sensitivity is 256 as opposed to 1024? OMG!"

If was what was sort of a bad reputation combined with the reduction in "specs" that caused epic levels of premature disappointment.

Though on the positive side, I don't personally know many artists that are such big fans of Wacom that they won't be willing to use something else that works well. It's not like Apple vs Samsung vs Microsoft. If their buddy says, "Try this..." and it works better... they'll be more than happy to switch. Even if at first they claim that the sky is falling.

 

[Fred Mertz]

Microsoft?s Surface Pro 3 Pen is a note-taker?s dream stylus


Not sure if this has already been posted here. If it has, feel free to use the eraser function on the pen. :smile:

 

[Reflexx]

If they figure out a way to make it have tilt sensitivity then the art world is going to explode.

 

[negative1ne]

there are several articles here,
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Surface Pro Artist



and more tests coming from artists.

check back.

later
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[JamesPTao]

Very dissapointed as well. Wacom is awesome, but I'm sure the decision made to allow the screen to be slimmer, save money, and the advantage of ntrig is no cursor jumping since the pen registers on the top level and not the bottom pane. With that said I will be open to using ntrig but wish they had chosen wacom.

 

[Reflexx]

Too bad the WinTab drivers suck.

Do we know what art software works?

Autodesk products? Apparently Sketchook Pro works, right?

What about Mudbox? Maya? 3DS Max? How good are the drivers there?

I hear that it's a no-go with Pixologic. No Zbrush sculpting.

​Blender? C4D? Modo?

 

[Dustin Hodges]

Too bad the WinTab drivers suck.

Do we know what art software works?

Autodesk products? Apparently Sketchook Pro works, right?

What about Mudbox? Maya? 3DS Max? How good are the drivers there?

I hear that it's a no-go with Pixologic. No Zbrush sculpting.

​Blender? C4D? Modo?

Perhaps they'll push an update post-Release? And there's also a chance the drivers work best on the Surface Pro 3, i would think.

 

[negative1ne]

Too bad the WinTab drivers suck.

Do we know what art software works?

Autodesk products? Apparently Sketchook Pro works, right?

What about Mudbox? Maya? 3DS Max? How good are the drivers there?

I hear that it's a no-go with Pixologic. No Zbrush sculpting.

​Blender? C4D? Modo?

here's the list
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Surface Pro 3: What Runs, What Doesn't ?€” Surface Pro Artist

later
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[Reflexx]

here's the list
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Surface Pro 3: What Runs, What Doesn't — Surface Pro Artist

later
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No pen on Mudbox, but it works on Maya? That's strange.

And no pressure on zbrush.

I guess for ssome major software it isn't 256 vs 1024. It's 1 vs 1024.

It's probably up to the software makes to add better support. But for 3D artists it looks like a step backwards for now...

 

[anon(5445874)]

That list hardly looks official.

 

[Reflexx]

That list hardly looks official.

I don't think you're going to find an official list anywhere.

All that we can do right now is look at who has a Surface 3 and see what works for them and what doesn't.

 

[anon(5445874)]

I don't think you're going to find an official list anywhere.

All that we can do right now is look at who has a Surface 3 and see what works for them and what doesn't.

I'm just saying, sometimes there's a setting or different drivers that can help. Kind of like how the surface 2 out of the box can't do Photoshop, but you can make it work. That site just lists programs with some short answers. I'm just skeptical that this person actually tried.

 

[Reflexx]

I'm just saying, sometimes there's a setting or different drivers that can help. Kind of like how the surface 2 out of the box can't do Photoshop, but you can make it work. That site just lists programs with some short answers. I'm just skeptical that this person actually tried.

He's been a big Surface proponent. That's why he was given one. He pushes for artists to adopt Surface. Of course he's not going to put stuff up without trying.

N-trig's WinTab drivers appear to work well for Adobe. It was probably optimized for that. But for other software... not as much. It's not a surprise. I believe that WinTab was created by Wacom.

Windows has their own set of APIs for pen communication. If those are used, then the N-trig will work fine. It's just not adopted by most software yet.

Artists will have to pressure the devs of their favorite programs to support it.

 

[Dustin Hodges]

He's been a big Surface proponent. That's why he was given one. He pushes for artists to adopt Surface. Of course he's not going to put stuff up without trying.

N-trig's WinTab drivers appear to work well for Adobe. It was probably optimized for that. But for other software... not as much. It's not a surprise. I believe that WinTab was created by Wacom.

Windows has their own set of APIs for pen communication. If those are used, then the N-trig will work fine. It's just not adopted by most software yet.

Artists will have to pressure the devs of their favorite programs to support it.

Im surprised they even tested Photoshop, since an update will arrive soon that optimizes it for surface, which makes me think WinTab drivers will be unnecessary for it.

 

[negative1ne]

updated review:
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Surface Pro 3: One week later... — Surface Pro Artist

looks like artists should wait for updates.

or hold off if you have sp1 or sp2

later
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[anon(5445874)]

updated review:
============
Surface Pro 3: One week later... ?€” Surface Pro Artist

looks like artists should wait for updates.

or hold off if you have sp1 or sp2

later
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I'm an artist, and I will not wait. Thanks for trying to speak for me, but I'm fine making my own decisions. This is the problem with reviewers, they don't give facts, they just give opinions. THANKS!

 

[Reflexx]

I'm an artist, and I will not wait. Thanks for trying to speak for me, but I'm fine making my own decisions. This is the problem with reviewers, they don't give facts, they just give opinions. THANKS!

A review is an opinion.

The facts that led up to the opinion are laid out in the review. It wasn't only opinion as you are suggesting.

You dont need to share the opinion. But it's just his current recommendation. He wasn't trying to speak for you.

I'm sure that it will be updated if driver support increases.

 

[anon(5445874)]

A review is an opinion.

The facts that led up to the opinion are laid out in the review. It wasn't only opinion as you are suggesting.

You dont need to share the opinion. But it's just his current recommendation. He wasn't trying to speak for you.

I'm sure that it will be updated if driver support increases.

He said artists should wait. No thanks.