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  1. smoledman's Avatar
    Check out this stock photo of people using laptops on their laps(esp the woman):

    http://www.wellbeing.com.au/uploads/news/Laptops.jpg

    You can't do that with any Surface and that's why Apple wins.
    05-21-2014 11:28 PM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    Didn't know only apple makes laptops now, good info. /s
    05-21-2014 11:43 PM
  3. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    I use my surface pro 2 on my lap all the time. Even did it with my original Surface Pro. And actually I can do exactly what they are doing.
    05-21-2014 11:47 PM
  4. ygtgngr's Avatar
    Apple wins what? What is the contest? Holding a device that runs an OS? Who is Apple the sell only devices that runs their own small market shared OS. Lenovo, Asus, Hp, Dell what are they fruits :D
    Last edited by ygtgngr; 05-22-2014 at 12:53 AM.
    05-21-2014 11:48 PM
  5. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Hmmm...

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    I don't see how side legged sitting would be that much of a challenge with the new kickstand.
    05-21-2014 11:57 PM
  6. smoledman's Avatar
    I don't see how you can do side-legged lapability with this. Most women use their laptops side-legged.
    05-22-2014 12:58 AM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I don't see how you can do side-legged lapability with this. Most women use their laptops side-legged.
    I use mine like the guy in the pink shirt.
    05-22-2014 01:06 AM
  8. smoledman's Avatar
    Mary Jo Foley just said the SP3 does not have lapability due to lack of a flat base. She is wrong?
    05-22-2014 01:09 AM
  9. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Mary Jo Foley just said the SP3 does not have lapability due to lack of a flat base. She is wrong?
    Yes.
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    05-22-2014 01:15 AM
  10. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Here's a quick little video...

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    05-22-2014 01:15 AM
  11. smoledman's Avatar
    Yes.
    So a person like Mary Jo Foley who uses a laptop every day on her lap(a tech blogger) doesn't know what she's talking about when it comes to lapability.... No wonder MS is in a reality-distortion field. Panos was just ridiculous during that presentation. It's like he was talking about some mythical customers that might one day exist.
    05-22-2014 01:16 AM
  12. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    Check out this stock photo of people using laptops on their laps(esp the woman):

    http://www.wellbeing.com.au/uploads/news/Laptops.jpg

    You can't do that with any Surface and that's why Apple wins.
    I wrote a long rebuttle and deleted it because it was a waste of time... I predict this thread dies. Well, once everyone is done beating around that comment like a cat with a dead mouse.
    05-22-2014 01:20 AM
  13. Zulfigar's Avatar
    So a person like Mary Jo Foley who uses a laptop every day on her lap(a tech blogger) doesn't know what she's talking about when it comes to lapability.... No wonder MS is in a reality-distortion field. Panos was just ridiculous during that presentation. It's like he was talking about some mythical customers that might one day exist.
    Yup.
    05-22-2014 01:31 AM
  14. Wall iPhone's Avatar
    Check out this stock photo of people using laptops on their laps(esp the woman):

    http://www.wellbeing.com.au/uploads/news/Laptops.jpg

    You can't do that with any Surface and that's why Apple wins.
    Why don't you use it as a tablet in that position, the iPad doesn't have lapability? Do you really expect the two people in the picture to be working or being productive at all?
    And I don't understand your Apple wins? There are still Windows laptops on the market, that sell way better then Apple laptops...
    Last edited by Laura Knotek; 05-22-2014 at 02:03 AM.
    05-22-2014 01:38 AM
  15. Squachy's Avatar
    You want a laptop...buy a clamshell style laptop with a hard keyboard.
    problem solved....

    that means the surface is not for you.

    Oh but you WANTED it to be as portable as a tablet?
    Then get one of those laptops that have a detachable screen. Sure its a bit bulky and chunky and may only have basic pressure sensitivity of the touchscreen, but then you can re-dock it and it'll be a real laptop with a real hard keyboard.
    problem solved? I think so.

    BTW apple's MacBook is...a laptop, not a tablet.
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    05-22-2014 01:59 AM
  16. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    [WARN]The OP has a legitimate comment in this thread at this point.

    There will be no further accusations made of anyone being a troll. Calling someone a troll is a form of trolling and not permitted by the Rules.

    Let's keep this thread on topic and discuss the form factor of the Surface Pro 3, not whether or not someone likes Apple products better. [/WARN]

    There are all kinds of traditional laptops and convertibles running Windows too. Perhaps, a comparison between Surface Pro 3 and Lenovo Thinkpad Helix might be appropriate too.
    05-22-2014 02:07 AM
  17. emigrating's Avatar
    So a person like Mary Jo Foley who uses a laptop every day on her lap(a tech blogger) doesn't know what she's talking about when it comes to lapability.... No wonder MS is in a reality-distortion field. Panos was just ridiculous during that presentation. It's like he was talking about some mythical customers that might one day exist.
    Wrong is a big word, but it wouldn't be the first time many people have disagreed with her.

    Hey, I'm not an apologist or fan boy so I will admit the previous Surfaces have had issued in this area. That said I've used all my previous devices in the lap at one point or another. The original Surface RT was a ***** to use on your lap. The Surface [Pro] 2 really wasn't too bad due to the dual position kickstand. If the Surface Pro 3 improves the situation even a little (I won't find out til August 31) I'll say the Pro 3 is definitely lapable.

    As for Panos, I though this was one of the better presentations lately. He was a little off cue at times, but overall very good.

    Lastly, most women I know do not use their laptops side legged unless they're using it for entertainment in which case most all of them will pick up the iPad (yes, they're mostly iPad users too) instead.
    05-22-2014 02:33 AM
  18. Pete's Avatar
    I'd say that the surface is very lappable - having the felt back to the keyboard really helps it to stick to your lap where normal laptops have a tendency to slip around. I dare say that the woman in the photo above would have to spend a fair amount of time repositioning the device.

    The downside to the surface is the slight flexibility of the keyboard, meaning that it's slightly less effective when not being supported (excessive boingage). I'm not sure that the difference would be enough to sway anyone's buying decision.
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    05-22-2014 02:34 AM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'd probably opt for the Lenovo Thinkpad Helix or the HP Spectre 2 if I were getting a convertible, mainly since I wouldn't want a kickstand resting on my legs. Both the Helix and the Spectre 2 have the traditional laptop style form factor when attached to their keyboards. Granted, both are heavier than the Surface Pro 3, but the form factor lends itself better to using on one's lap, rather than on a table or desk.

    Yes, I use my laptops on my lap. I'm posting here on the forums using a laptop, while sitting on my futon in pretty much the same position as the guy in the pink shirt in that picture.
    05-22-2014 02:39 AM
  20. onlysublime's Avatar
    anyone that says the Surface doesn't have "lapability" usually has never tried it...

    here's my brother modeling for me (me taking the pics, thanks bro for helping out)... We can do this with either the Surface RT or the Surface Pro 2...

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    As for Mary Jo Foley, I love her to death and listen to her weekly on the podcast. But you should know her computing habits. She still does all her notes with pen and paper. She only types in Notepad and on a desk. She did mention that she had a hard time using the SP3 in the new "laptop" mode. But if she uses it in traditional Surface mode, it's completely doable on the lap. There's no need to be 100% rock solid. You just need it to be completely stable while you work and the Surface is that.
    Last edited by onlysublime; 05-22-2014 at 03:13 AM.
    05-22-2014 03:02 AM
  21. Editguy1900's Avatar
    While it's obvious that the Surface IS lapable, I've been using laptops for fifteen years and in all of that time I've only used them on my lap a handful of times. I find it to be very uncomfortable fatiguing for posture reasons. And when I tried it with my Macbook from school (I'm a teacher), I found the heat to be uncomfortable on my legs, even with jeans on. Finally, I don't rely much on tech bloggers for advice about anything (although, since I've been coming to WPC I've made an exception) because most of them know very little of what they are writing about, and far too much of it is simply biased opinion.
    05-22-2014 02:42 PM
  22. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    There's no need to be 100% rock solid. You just need it to be completely stable while you work and the Surface is that.
    This is totally true even with laptops. As a man that's 6'2" with a bit more proportion in my legs I find the best I can get sitting cross legged with a 13" or 15.6" laptop is stable (which amounts to a balancing act on one knee). Anything rock solid for me, cross legged wise, is uncomfortable.
    05-22-2014 03:34 PM
  23. ExTrAbUtTa's Avatar
    I think the issue is that people want what will never be 100% to a laptop (seating/position wise) when talking about the Surface Pro lineup. The strides the Surface team have made with creating the SP3 with a Friction Hinge for multiple position use, is to be applauded. I also wonder, what else can be done? What some people want is a hard bottom on the Type Cover's, essentially creating a laptop/ultrabook. Wisely, MS has chosen to not offer yet ANOTHER Ultrabook, but a hybrid device that can bridge the gap between tablet and laptop. Its a unique proposition and one that everyone will NOT like. That's a given. Aside from creating a much, much better kickstand, MS has done as much as anyone could suggest as for "lapability". The next step and we mind as well create a traditional laptop/ultrabook. Something MS is moving away from to truly differentiate themselves from their OEM partners and the competition.

    I've used the SP3 in my lap and it is a lot more stable to use in your lap. For those, that this doesn't work, that means its not an option for you (unfortunately). That doesn't mean that MS isn't doing this right or is wrong, it means that for you in particular, this device does not work. It's like complaining that a Porsche Cayenne Turbo can't return the same lap times as a 911 Turbo. If that is the case, proceed to purchase the item that better suits YOUR needs. Even Porsche themselves will market a Cayenne as the "911 of SUVs" a vehicle that can do it all. There are compromises (because there will always be those), but at this iteration you'd be pulling hairs, basically. If the SP3 is not "lapable" for you, then its not the design (the design will always be tablet-based first, with features helping transform the device into a lapable one), its the hard truth that this device won't work for your scenario. They all don't and never have. I would never complain about an iPad lacking the ability to do "real" work, because I would never buy one if my use case involved real work.

    I think (in my opinion) we need to look at this SP3, understanding is idea of personal computing. Its not going to have a solid base, because that is literally another laptop. A 2 in 1 is being created by their OEM partners and is still nothing to get overly excited about. I personally feel, that there are no trade-offs with the SP3, just gains.
    05-22-2014 08:17 PM
  24. falconeight's Avatar
    The only thing wrong with this piece of tech is that the price is high and it doesn't come with the type cover. If Microsoft wants it to battle the macbook air then it needs a keyboard bundled. Other than that it is a beautiful device that raises the bar pretty damn high.
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    05-22-2014 09:37 PM
  25. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    The only thing wrong with this piece of tech is that the price is high and it doesn't come with the type cover. If Microsoft wants it to battle the macbook air then it needs a keyboard bundled. Other than that it is a beautiful device that raises the bar pretty damn high.
    But it's not over priced. For what you are getting, this is cheep.
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    05-22-2014 10:16 PM
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