11-16-2015 04:36 PM
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  1. ajaffarali's Avatar
    Many of the issues I had with SP4 seem to be resolved with the Windows Nov update. The screen flickering is gone and so has the sound popping. Battery life is much much better and the fans don't continuously keep kicking in any longer because the unit is running much cooler. The only issue I have now is the display driver still keeps crashing and recovering.

    I'm finally happy with my SP4!
    11-13-2015 05:54 AM
  2. brianbrain's Avatar
    Thanks for sharing, and relieved to hear!
    11-13-2015 07:05 AM
  3. boltman2013's Avatar
    Seems faster
    11-13-2015 08:36 AM
  4. CraigCole's Avatar
    Still waiting for the November update on my SP4 ... I've been checking every 15 minutes and nothing. It's annoying that they're not giving it to me, LOL! Seriously, the update cannot come soon enough to fix all the issues with this device ...
    11-13-2015 10:00 AM
  5. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    So get the ISO and use that, no need waiting!
    11-13-2015 10:02 AM
  6. CraigCole's Avatar
    So get the ISO and use that, no need waiting!
    Sadly I'm not that tech savvy ... LOL!
    11-13-2015 10:44 AM
  7. boltman2013's Avatar
    Sadly I'm not that tech savvy ... LOL!
    http://www.tenforums.com/installatio...techbench.html

    Get ISO here..https://forums.windowscentral.com/e?...token=Qt1IXSVd

    Select Edition..Windows 10..confirm
    Select the product language ..Choose one....English..confirm

    Download...wait until done
    Click on ISO to mount (from where it downloaded to)
    Click on setup
    Wait...Start
    Check updates
    Enjoy
    Now wait for Redstone..rinse repeat
    11-13-2015 11:40 AM
  8. wrm1's Avatar
    So, I tried the ISO and it installed to the C:\ drive instead of the thumb drive (no prompt to change). Then it complained i didn't have enough free space to download the update (which I didn't 32 GB drive, 9 GB free, hence the thumb drive). Is there something I'm missing?
    11-13-2015 11:47 AM
  9. boltman2013's Avatar
    So, I tried the ISO and it installed to the C:\ drive instead of the thumb drive (no prompt to change). Then it complained i didn't have enough free space to download the update (which I didn't 32 GB drive, 9 GB free, hence the thumb drive). Is there something I'm missing?
    Download ISO go find it click on it to mount it in the Windows file system (as a drive) go to drive letter it mounted to (G: H: whatever)...click setup (No thumb drive needed)

    You do need to clear probably more than 9GB on C: use disk cleanup (the sytem files choice) and/or CCleaner
    11-13-2015 11:59 AM
  10. GatsbyGlen's Avatar
    I mounted the ISO to a thumb drive and booted from it, and did a complete clean install. You could also try going to the following site, and click upgrade.

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/e?...token=Xkq4yCKQ

    Some notes about the upgrade can be found below. Take a look at the gray Notes section.

    Windows 10 November update: FAQ - Windows Help
    11-13-2015 12:44 PM
  11. wrm1's Avatar
    Download ISO go find it click on it to mount it in the Windows file system (as a drive) go to drive letter it mounted to (G: H: whatever)...click setup (No thumb drive needed)

    You do need to clear probably more than 9GB on C: use disk cleanup (the sytem files choice) and/or CCleaner
    Sadly, the 9GB is having used disk clean up and the like. Even if I uninstall everything it won't give too much back, and then, I might as well do a clean install.
    11-13-2015 02:00 PM
  12. BCL_WA's Avatar
    Many of the issues I had with SP4 seem to be resolved with the Windows Nov update. The screen flickering is gone and so has the sound popping. Battery life is much much better and the fans don't continuously keep kicking in any longer because the unit is running much cooler. The only issue I have now is the display driver still keeps crashing and recovering.

    I'm finally happy with my SP4!
    Thanks for posting this. I cannot tell what Surface 4 config you have but I have a i5,256gb with 16GB ram and only had the fan come on once initially and again during an update. Even though I spent 2~ 3 hours doing extensive editing of photos between Lightroom and Photoshop CC @ 75% brightness- one would think the fan would kick in. It did not. I find this odd.

    I have my Surface 4 all ready to return but I'm curious if this last update really made the battery life better? I could see in your case if the Surface is running warm + the fan is coming on then perhaps this update did settle things down on your unit. I just ponder if same improvements transfer over to the other Surface 4 configs - i5, i7, Core, etc. etc.

    If anyone has any info re: if the latest/greatest update improved battery life, please share your thoughts.
    I really like the device but I'm on the fence with keeping it. It is expensive.
    b
    11-13-2015 02:26 PM
  13. onysi's Avatar
    Still waiting for the November update on my SP4 ... I've been checking every 15 minutes and nothing. It's annoying that they're not giving it to me, LOL! Seriously, the update cannot come soon enough to fix all the issues with this device ...
    You need to get on internet explorer, go to settings and go to CONNECTIONS tab / LAN Settings and uncheck the box PROXY SERVER box. It's what was causing me from getting Installation failed.
    11-13-2015 02:39 PM
  14. ajaffarali's Avatar
    I have the i5 with 8gb and 256gb.

    I haven't done any scientific tests but it has been over 24 hours and I have probably used my surface for 4+ hours. The rest was in standby. Battery life still shows another hour.

    Prior to the update, I would have had to charge it twice to get a similar result.
    BCL_WA likes this.
    11-13-2015 03:08 PM
  15. dkp23's Avatar
    Seems faster effect...
    11-13-2015 04:59 PM
  16. CraigCole's Avatar
    You need to get on internet explorer, go to settings and go to CONNECTIONS tab / LAN Settings and uncheck the box PROXY SERVER box. It's what was causing me from getting Installation failed.
    Curious, I just checked and the Proxy Server box was already unchecked.
    11-13-2015 05:29 PM
  17. v535's Avatar
    How come SP4 and SB use same ISO as normal Desks & lappies? Dont they ship with their own firmware & OS like those on phones? Correct me, if I'm wrong.
    11-14-2015 02:10 AM
  18. onysi's Avatar
    Curious, I just checked and the Proxy Server box was already unchecked.
    well next logical step is to get the windows 10 upgrade. its a download. skip the ISO thing, just download windows 10 directly from microsoft. It will already come with the new update TH2. Takes about a few hrs to download this gig. u wont have to reformat the pc.
    11-14-2015 03:19 AM
  19. ttsoldier's Avatar
    How come SP4 and SB use same ISO as normal Desks & lappies? Dont they ship with their own firmware & OS like those on phones? Correct me, if I'm wrong.
    The ISO is strictly Software. Has nothing to do with firmware.

    The software is the same. Windows 10.
    11-14-2015 05:41 PM
  20. boltman2013's Avatar
    The ISO is strictly Software. Has nothing to do with firmware.

    The software is the same. Windows 10.
    Technically not true ....
    For instance the 11/2 Firmware update contained...
    November 2015 updates
    The following update will be listed as “System Firmware Update – 11/2/2015” when you view your update history.

    Note
    When Surface updates are provided via the Windows Update service, they are delivered in stages to Surface customers. As a result, not every Surface will receive the update at the same time, but the update will be delivered to all devices. If you have not received the update then please manually check Windows Update later.
    HD Graphics 520 driver update (v20.19.15.4308) addresses some display issues, including some scenarios that result in screen flickering.
    Display audio driver update (v8.20.0.659) supports compatibility with the updated graphics driver.
    Surface Embedded Controller Firmware update (v103.855.257.0) improves system stability.
    Surface Pen Settings driver update (v10.0.302.0) adds support for future functionality on Windows 10.

    A future ISO would roll these into the ISO as it has both the .wim and the drivers rolled into it to support the surface 4 and a plethora of other makes.
    11-14-2015 06:52 PM
  21. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Technically not true ....
    For instance the 11/2 Firmware update contained...
    November 2015 updates
    The following update will be listed as “System Firmware Update – 11/2/2015” when you view your update history.

    Note
    When Surface updates are provided via the Windows Update service, they are delivered in stages to Surface customers. As a result, not every Surface will receive the update at the same time, but the update will be delivered to all devices. If you have not received the update then please manually check Windows Update later.
    HD Graphics 520 driver update (v20.19.15.4308) addresses some display issues, including some scenarios that result in screen flickering.
    Display audio driver update (v8.20.0.659) supports compatibility with the updated graphics driver.
    Surface Embedded Controller Firmware update (v103.855.257.0) improves system stability.
    Surface Pen Settings driver update (v10.0.302.0) adds support for future functionality on Windows 10.

    A future ISO would roll these into the ISO as it has both the .wim and the drivers rolled into it to support the surface 4 and a plethora of other makes.
    You seem to be confused when it comes to the difference between a driver and a firmware.
    11-14-2015 10:52 PM
  22. Devhux's Avatar
    You seem to be confused when it comes to the difference between a driver and a firmware.
    Actually, blame Microsoft for that one! They called it a firmware update when in fact it's really a driver update. That's why if you factory reset or install Threshold 2 via Media Creation Tool, it re-downloads the "firmware" files from 11/02 again.
    11-14-2015 11:14 PM
  23. ncxcstud's Avatar
    I got nervous when after the big update my SP4 started freezing... checked the battery controller driver - that updated to the new update that causes my computer to lockup and freeze - rolled it back to the old one - no more freezing problems...

    A part from that - everything is working great! Still not sure why the 'new' driver for the battery controller causes my SP4 to freeze...
    11-15-2015 08:56 AM
  24. boltman2013's Avatar
    I got nervous when after the big update my SP4 started freezing... checked the battery controller driver - that updated to the new update that causes my computer to lockup and freeze - rolled it back to the old one - no more freezing problems...

    A part from that - everything is working great! Still not sure why the 'new' driver for the battery controller causes my SP4 to freeze...
    Its best to let SP4 update naturally..there is a reason the update packages that get approved are approved. People have to think of devices like the SP4 as very customized hardware/software wise to work as a cohesive unit, you start mucking with individual drivers you are in for a world of hurt.

    This is not a desktop PC made up of individual parts..all SP4's are identical and Microsoft expect ceratin hardware and software combos as they approve software and hardware updates to the SP4.

    I can guarantee most of the issues in the SP4 are USER ERROR so if you are having issues blame yourself
    11-15-2015 09:36 AM
  25. TheAsbo's Avatar
    Its best to let SP4 update naturally..there is a reason the update packages that get approved are approved. People have to think of devices like the SP4 as very customized hardware/software wise to work as a cohesive unit, you start mucking with individual drivers you are in for a world of hurt.

    This is not a desktop PC made up of individual parts..all SP4's are identical and Microsoft expect ceratin hardware and software combos as they approve software and hardware updates to the SP4.

    I can guarantee most of the issues in the SP4 are USER ERROR so if you are having issues blame yourself
    A lot of Surface owners aren't tech savvy. They know how to use their own software, but aren't willing to muck about with drivers and such.
    11-15-2015 12:51 PM
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